Well, the postman made me sign today....

[SoCalMichelle]

Michelle why do you want such low ohms?

I also do micro/cotton. Usually end up at 1.6 - 1.8 ohms.

Cuz that's what everyone is doing xD(bad answer I know)
I feel like as long as it's not sub ohms I'll be okay.

I'm following what was suggested by Dino. He said the way I described up above will out perform any other type of build, give better smooth throat hits, and more vapor than most sub-ohm builds. with the 28 gauge wire it will put me above .8 or .9 he also said that 28 gauge wire will give me a cooler vape which is also what I'm looking for.

 

[SoCalMichelle]

Probably both! I've watched loads of tutorials, vids, had loads of advice and just havent picked it up yet. When i see how small the coils should be i just really struggle to be accurate with such a tiny coil.

I've got big hands, Im 6ft4"... probably not built for building coils!

kayfun lite coil set-ups - YouTube

i like him

and this is Dino...yes the video is longer than all hell

Kayfun RBA micro coil with with Organic Cotton Wick! - YouTube

Dino is the guy that helps GrimmGreen from time to time on Skype conversing and showing each other different coil setups

 

[Codz]

kayfun lite coil set-ups - YouTube

i like him

and this is Dino...yes the video is longer than all hell

Kayfun RBA micro coil with with Organic Cotton Wick! - YouTube

Dino is the guy that helps GrimmGreen from time to time on Skype conversing and showing each other different coil setups

I'll check them out thanks, although ive watched so many vids i'm getting depressed with them now... they make it look so easy and then i try it and its mission impossible.

You'll probably breeze it first time and make me look a right twerp

 

[Zbeast08]

I just ordered three more last night. I love these things.

I have a feeling that when my Protanks are empty and cleaned they'll likely end up being given away or just collecting dust.

The performance is night and day although these Hypertanks are huge and solid. I'd FAR rather be able to vape without the stress of not getting flavor/vapor properly.

Also, the tank is almost as wide as the Provari so it looks good. It will be better when my decorative rings arrive, though. That tapered end of the Provari bugs me...lol

I may give a try as well on these tanks but I have to ask what makes it so much better if it uses the same heads as the protank which is the same heads as the evod bcc which is the same as protank 2? Just curious....

 

[EvilZoe]

I may give a try as well on these tanks but I have to ask what makes it so much better if it uses the same heads as the protank which is the same heads as the evod bcc which is the same as protank 2? Just curious....

It's built better and looks nothing like a Protank. It uses the same coil but it really just brings up the vapor and taste and doesn't have the airiness of the Protank. I honestly don't know WHY it works so much better. I just know it DOES.

I'm not saying they're going to be better than cartotanks or dripping as I haven't done those yet, but the vaping is so far superior compared to the Protanks, evods, etc. that I just can't explain it in words.

I thought maybe it was the ProVari making the difference but when I put a Protank on the ProVari it was just garbage in comparison.

 

[Zbeast08]

It's built better and looks nothing like a Protank. It uses the same coil but it really just brings up the vapor and taste and doesn't have the airiness of the Protank. I honestly don't know WHY it works so much better. I just know it DOES.

I'm not saying they're going to be better than cartotanks or dripping as I haven't done those yet, but the vaping is so far superior compared to the Protanks, evods, etc. that I just can't explain it in words.

I thought maybe it was the ProVari making the difference but when I put a Protank on the ProVari it was just garbage in comparison.

Gotcha and thanks for the reply. I currently use alot of cartotanks which I enjoy but sometimes a little more time consuming to prime a carto or refill when changing flavors....unscrewing a head and screwing another in to change flavors...much easier!!

 

[The Ocelot]

Wow, they've got lot's of cool stuff. Not only Bronze, but Copper, in the Hypertank. Double Bubble? Wild.

best regards, larry mac

Did you read the fine print for the Double Bubble?

"NOTE: This tank can be very tricky due to the number of connections from the battery to the atomizer and the instulation of new wicks. It is not reccomended for first time users and should be considered a hobby tank."

That doesn't sound good for a product that for all intents and purposes is a clearo.

 

[lvm111]

Did you read the fine print for the Double Bubble?

"NOTE: This tank can be very tricky due to the number of connections from the battery to the atomizer and the instulation of new wicks. It is not reccomended for first time users and should be considered a hobby tank."

That doesn't sound good for a product that for all intents and purposes is a clearo.

Yes my dear, I noticed that, but promptly ignored it. I can't be dissuaded from acquiring something so clearly cool! lol. I'll let you know just how tricky it is.

best regards, larry mac

 

[ScandaLeX]

Probably both! I've watched loads of tutorials, vids, had loads of advice and just havent picked it up yet. When i see how small the coils should be i just really struggle to be accurate with such a tiny coil.

I've got big hands, Im 6ft4"... probably not built for building coils!

I think I know what you're doing.
Stop trying to get the coil perfect WHILE you're wrapping.

Once you've got your 10-11 wraps, remove it from whatever you were using to assist (toothpick, drill pit, screw driver).
Then grab a pair of needle nose pliers and squeeze the coils together.
While doing that you can also take that time to torch the coils nice and red (you can use a torch or a BIC lighter).

This pic was my 1st attempt at a micro quad coil but I'm only using this to show you what your coil should look like while you're torching it.

Once you're done torching you don't have to worry about the coil coming apart.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Cuz that's what everyone is doing xD(bad answer I know)
I feel like as long as it's not sub ohms I'll be okay.

I'm following what was suggested by Dino. He said the way I described up above will out perform any other type of build, give better smooth throat hits, and more vapor than most sub-ohm builds. with the 28 gauge wire it will put me above .8 or .9 he also said that 28 gauge wire will give me a cooler vape which is also what I'm looking for.

I don't know who Dino is other than reading he often helps GrimmGreen.

The only time I've gotten a "cool" vape off of micro coils was to turn the voltage down on my ProVari.
I think the lower the ohms the shorter the battery life.

If the battery master is around (Bad) he could clarify this.

 

[The Ocelot]

I don't know who Dino is other than reading he often helps GrimmGreen.

The only time I've gotten a "cool" vape off of micro coils was to turn the voltage down on my ProVari.
I think the lower the ohms the shorter the battery life.

If the battery master is around (Bad) he could clarify this.

The battery life is determined by the amps you're pulling. I changed the order of quadrants around on the wheel, but the formulae are all still correct.

P = power (watts)
V = volts
R = resistance
I = current (amps) I forgot why it's "I"

V²/R = P

4.5v²/2.2Ω = 9.2w

P/R = I

9.2w/2.2Ω = 4.2 amps

3.7v²/1.5Ω = 9.1w

9.1w/1.5Ω = 6.06 amps

Even though the settings are producing the same amount of watts (+/-), when vaping low-res the amps increase, which draws more from the battery.

 

[The Ocelot]

Cuz that's what everyone is doing xD

Not me. I rock just fine with 9w.

 

[Baditude]

I don't know who Dino is other than reading he often helps GrimmGreen.

The only time I've gotten a "cool" vape off of micro coils was to turn the voltage down on my ProVari.
I think the lower the ohms the shorter the battery life.

If the battery master is around (Bad) he could clarify this.

Ocelot is right. Battery life is determined by the amps pulled by the resistance of the coil. Lower resistance will pull more amps from a battery and shorten its life.

Rebuildables in general pull more amps from a battery. Sub Ohm coils can shorten a battery's life between charges to half their normal capacity. Sub ohms less than 0.8 ohm need special IMR batteries that have a continuous discharge rate of 15 - 20 amps - only a few IMR batteries have that specification.

A Provari will not fire a coil less than 1.0 ohm This requires amps higher than the Provari is designed to handle and the protective circuit kicks in to prompt a "LO" error code - resistance is too low.

 

[ScandaLeX]

The battery life is determined by the amps you're pulling. I changed the order of quadrants around on the wheel, but the formulae are all still correct.

P = power (watts)
V = volts
R = resistance
I = current (amps) I forgot why it's "I"

V²/R = P

4.5v²/2.2Ω = 9.2w

P/R = I

9.2w/2.2Ω = 4.2 amps

3.7v²/1.5Ω = 9.1w

9.1w/1.5Ω = 6.06 amps

Even though the settings are producing the same amount of watts (+/-), when vaping low-res the amps increase, which draws more from the battery.

That's what I said!

Thanks for explaining the break down- much appreciated.

 

[The Ocelot]

That's what I said!

Thanks for explaining the break down- much appreciated.

Yes, you were correct. I just posted that in case someone wanted to know why.

It was so funny, when I first posted the wheel I got a PM from a member who is an engineer. He said he was admiring the simplicity of the design, but it was driving him crazy what Va represented. Then he stepped back and looked at it and couldn't stop laughing. I felt so smart that I could make a real math joke.

 

[The Ocelot]

Ocelot is right. Battery life is determined by the amps pulled by the resistance of the coil. Lower resistance will pull more amps from a battery and shorten its life.

Rebuildables in general pull more amps from a battery. Sub Ohm coils can shorten a battery's life between charges to half their normal capacity. Sub ohms less than 0.8 ohm need special IMR batteries that have a continuous discharge rate of 15 - 20 amps - only a few IMR batteries have that specification.

A Provari will not fire a coil less than 1.0 ohm This requires amps higher than the Provari is designed to handle and the protective circuit kicks in to prompt a "LO" error code - resistance is too low.

I can't remember where I learned this, but if watts x amps = more than 50, the ProVari isn't happy. I may have found it somewhere on the ProVape site.

ETA: I have actually read of members getting them to fire below 1.0Ω, but why one would want to do that is beyond me.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I can't remember where I learned this, but if watts x amps = more than 50, the ProVari isn't happy. I may have found it somewhere on the ProVape site.

ETA: I have actually read of members getting them to fire below 1.0Ω, but why one would want to do that is beyond me.

Because everyone else is doing it!

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Getting out Michelle's way......

 

[retired1]

Those batteries charged up in no time at all. I bought 4 so I'm good to go anywhere.

I got this tank because it looked cool and just tried it today for the first time on the Provari. I've never had such a nice vape since I started...lol

I think I might orgasm.


HyperTank-5ml-Pyrex

If you'd be so kind, could you measure the diameter of that tank? Hoping it's at 19mm or less.

 

[EvilZoe]

If you'd be so kind, could you measure the diameter of that tank? Hoping it's at 19mm or less.

It's about the diameter of the ProVari Mini.

 

[retired1]

**sigh** Was afraid of that. Puts it over 22mm which means it wont fit inside the VTR.