What about Michael Moore?
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Hey, I can understand the OPs original thought and idea. But, I'd have to agree that Moore is not a good idea for someone to go to with publicity for e-cigs. He has lost most of his credibility these days and no matter what your outlook on life and politics are, most of the people that hold 'positions of decisions' in this country have either discounted him, or even hold the things associated with him in a negative light. Not that he does not have his supporters, but overall - it is a majority that counts, and we need a positive majority. 
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While this particular film maker may have his hands full with other projects, there are other documentary film makers out there!
The subject OUGHT to be the subject of documentaries, I would suggest contacting any and all documentary film-makers, film students looking for projects etc. Then we could hold newsworthy vape-ins simultaneously in major cities around the globe to draw media attention to it, everyone issue press releases locally, etc. There must be public support - and public education - before bans are instituted everywhere.
The subject OUGHT to be the subject of documentaries, I would suggest contacting any and all documentary film-makers, film students looking for projects etc. Then we could hold newsworthy vape-ins simultaneously in major cities around the globe to draw media attention to it, everyone issue press releases locally, etc. There must be public support - and public education - before bans are instituted everywhere.
That is an excellent idea - there are always student projects, channel projects, etc just looking for controversial subjects such as this... now if I can just find 'em!!!
Sorry but this is just not going to happen. Everyone receives "spin", whether it is done by our media or through word of mouth. This is the game being played right now, I dont see how you can not see this. Christ most if not all celebrities deal with this all the time. People do not tend to go right or left in thier ideologies, they tend to be somewhere in the middle, unless of course they speak out on an issue that is dear to them. It is here that they are called far left or far right when in fact they are still center. People are just not universally loved, the only time this ever happens is after they are dead.
The second anyone in the limelight speaks out about ANYTHING, one media outlet will say he's right wing and the left media outlets will praise his efforts or vice versa. Do you really think most of the US is either right or left? Don't you think most of us are somewhere in the middle?
This is why I think its pointless to argue about MM or ANYONE else talking about this issue. One way or another the media is going to try and divide the country and make this about politics, just like what is happening in this thread.
As stated before, short of a handful of mostly net based articles and reports, this issue has ZERO coverage. I dont care if the Left, Right or Center covers this thing in a positive light as long as people start hearing about it and talking about it, it's a good thing.
Why are all the people commenting here worried that MM will do nothing but divide the people on this issue or that he has lost all respect, NOT making the same comments in the contact Glenn Beck thread?
MM thinks 9/11 was an inside job, Fidel Castro is a wonderful guy, and we should do away with capitalism, yet Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are "far more extreme"? Give me a break.
Has it occured to anyone that MM (or some other celebrity you might contact) might actually be opposed to e-cigs? What then? Assuming they would even think it's a big enough issue to publicize, which I doubt.
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Why are all the people commenting here worried that MM will do nothing but divide the people on this issue or that he has lost all respect, NOT making the same comments in the contact Glenn Beck thread?
That's a good question. Maybe its that Glenn Beck hasn't been in the main stream long enough. I know I was starting to warm up to him and his message on FoxNews and then I saw the Daily Show do their thing where they expose some inconsistencies. No longer a budding fan.
I am not worried about MM dividing the country as much as the negative connotation attached to his name no matter which way you lean.
I am not even going to read the last 3 pages of this thread. I read the OP's initial and you are absolutely right.
This is his kind of issue. He confronts STUPIDITY! His credibility is a victim of his obesity, nothing more. His critics don't watch his movies. They repeat whatever FOX tells them to say. When he stops talking, we are really screwed.
This is his kind of issue. He confronts STUPIDITY! His credibility is a victim of his obesity, nothing more. His critics don't watch his movies. They repeat whatever FOX tells them to say. When he stops talking, we are really screwed.
I had emailed both MM and Glenn Beck months ago about e-cigs and the Gov. I never got a reply. It was about 2 months ago.
There are some posters here that mentioned picking one person a month to be bombarded by alot of email. I think it would be alot better than just one person sending an email.
There are some posters here that mentioned picking one person a month to be bombarded by alot of email. I think it would be alot better than just one person sending an email.
Rachel Maddow is aware of our battle. Can I see her doing a segment on e-cigarettes? Not really, but she would be one to work in passing references, at least.
As far as the political divide, I don't see it as helping our cause. But if one side decides to make it a wedge issue, I'm sure we will all have a little more respect for "that side".
E-mail everyone (within reason), if you don't know what to say, just post a link to an article or a forum that you think makes a good case for e-cigarettes.
As far as the political divide, I don't see it as helping our cause. But if one side decides to make it a wedge issue, I'm sure we will all have a little more respect for "that side".
E-mail everyone (within reason), if you don't know what to say, just post a link to an article or a forum that you think makes a good case for e-cigarettes.
Yeah, but if you actually listen to what moore says, then go check what he says he is usually full of crap or telling you part of the story or tweaking the facts just a bit to prove his point.
He's usually 80% bs, and 10% of truth and to most people that makes him seem very credible. I equate michael moore to a human version of the da vinci code.
If he is for the ban on these it just shows how some people have never had it hard and fight anything, take a stand on something just to take a stand, and to take things away from people without justification.
We wonder why America is getting worse. How can so many people be College Educated yet so ignorant? How may time have you seen some idiot causing traffic in their status symbol, and NEVER use their signal "unless it is convenient for them".
Most of the time I feel like I am the main character in the movie "Idiocracy". It is just my opinion, but a degree now a days seems to be nothing more than a way for ignorant people to make more money while flying-by any form of an actual thought process. Not all but most.
We wonder why America is getting worse. How can so many people be College Educated yet so ignorant? How may time have you seen some idiot causing traffic in their status symbol, and NEVER use their signal "unless it is convenient for them".
Most of the time I feel like I am the main character in the movie "Idiocracy". It is just my opinion, but a degree now a days seems to be nothing more than a way for ignorant people to make more money while flying-by any form of an actual thought process. Not all but most.
Mikey is a shrill, you never see hime talk about choices and freedom, only more bigger government programs more government controls. I think this article that came out yesterday really sums it up about the shrill.
Campaign For Liberty — The Phony Radicalism of Michael Moore | by Sheldon Richman
Short read but is very head on.
Bottom line is moore will never support e-cigs, unless the government controls and owns them. That is what socialism is folks......
Campaign For Liberty — The Phony Radicalism of Michael Moore | by Sheldon Richman
Short read but is very head on.
Bottom line is moore will never support e-cigs, unless the government controls and owns them. That is what socialism is folks......
First thing I would like to ask; What makes you think that big businesses are looking out for our well being any more so then these socialized governments your feel are so evil?
Im sorry but I have to comment on YOU! Mr Richman makes some valid points coming from a libertarian or small government, states have all the power perspective. I have read into this idea as well and while its proponents like to paint a pretty rose garden, we are TOO big to go back to this method of government. Go do some research on Game Theory;
Game Theory
Now as for your socialism is bad comments and your little Hammer Sickle Obama image. First things first, there is a pretty big damn difference between Communism and Socialism, try not to get the two confused buddy. Second thing I dare you to go out of country, lets say to England. While your there, I double dog dare you to stand on a corner and yell "The Queen and her social medical system are the second coming of Stalin." Ill pay for your false teeth upon your return to the states.
Obama made it clear in his campaign what he wanted to do with the medical system in the country. We voted him in and hes trying to keep the promise, more then I can say about many politicians. I think your angry your now a minority, in more ways then one.
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As much as I hate Michael Moore with a passion, and before you read on, LET ME STRESS IT FURTHER HOW MUCH I HATE THE GUY.
But, I do admit, the publicity he would create against the FDA and for e-cigs could be quit beneficial to our cause. As long as he doesn't completely screw it up.
I'm sure he'd love to jump on any chance he can to attack the government. With the topic of electronic cigarettes and BT being in bed with the FDA, I (IMO) think it's safe to say that he doesn't need to resort to his usual methods of slandering and spinning reports for his agenda on this issue. If he could do this without that, I'd actually find a new found respect for him.
But, I do admit, the publicity he would create against the FDA and for e-cigs could be quit beneficial to our cause. As long as he doesn't completely screw it up.
I'm sure he'd love to jump on any chance he can to attack the government. With the topic of electronic cigarettes and BT being in bed with the FDA, I (IMO) think it's safe to say that he doesn't need to resort to his usual methods of slandering and spinning reports for his agenda on this issue. If he could do this without that, I'd actually find a new found respect for him.
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