Well the knuckle dragger Hates his guts but the fact is more people believe in him then hate him cause of his beliefs. I won't say the guy doesn't change the view a little. It's like listening to your uncle tell you a story. You know some of it's bull**** but there is much truth to be heard. If he would take the case i am sure it could only help us. Anyone that would jump off cause of MM being a part of it shouldn't be here in the first place. But at last i don't believe e-cigs is a big enough story for him to cover. it's just small beans compared to what he would normally take up.
What about Michael Moore?
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The best hope is that he would make a film about the FDA's bullying in general...but he already made "Sicko" and if he ever made a sequel to any of his films, it seems more likely that he'd follow up on something more successful. Michael Moore: A Love/Hate Story
So here is my suggestion for this tread.
If you dislike MM just stay off of it. The whole point to ALL of this is to get people to write letters of support for our cause.
If in fact you think that there is little to no chance of MM taking an interest in this, then there is absolutely no reason for you to respond in this tread other then to voice your OPINION on MM and spread your dissent.
If you dislike MM just stay off of it. The whole point to ALL of this is to get people to write letters of support for our cause.
If in fact you think that there is little to no chance of MM taking an interest in this, then there is absolutely no reason for you to respond in this tread other then to voice your OPINION on MM and spread your dissent.
I would see an interesting approach for MM (whom I do enjoy) would be to look at the corruption in the not-for-profit public health organizations, as in American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association. These groups have, for all practical purposes, been taken over by BP.
If these groups were truly rational pragmatic public health advocates they would have to give a serious look at reduced harm. Instead they are all, without fail, pushing the "quit or die" approach to tobacco. There isn't even mention of reduced harm on their web sites.
This is really the heart of the problem. If reduced harm was a legitimate part of the public debate the tone of discussion would be very different.
If these groups were truly rational pragmatic public health advocates they would have to give a serious look at reduced harm. Instead they are all, without fail, pushing the "quit or die" approach to tobacco. There isn't even mention of reduced harm on their web sites.
This is really the heart of the problem. If reduced harm was a legitimate part of the public debate the tone of discussion would be very different.
I have recently seen Capitalism....A love story and I can honestly say it's a bit different then his other documentary's......really no slant going on in that....I would love for Michael Moore to do a documentary on the FDA. Just my 2 cents....
But if you like MM, then by all means... post away!!
Guess this will be my one and only post in this thread.
Since all of this is really just to get support for e-cigs, then a person who's political views are more center would be a better candidate. I'm sure half of this country thinks MM the best thing since sliced bread and the other half thinks he's a complete wacko.
He might get interested if he really takes the time to think about it..It's no small issue at all when you think of all the deaths that are attributed to smoking each year and vaping is the one thing that could possibly drastically change it.
But if you like MM, then by all means... post away!!
Guess this will be my one and only post in this thread.
Since all of this is really just to get support for e-cigs, then a person who's political views are more center would be a better candidate. I'm sure half of this country thinks MM the best thing since sliced bread and the other half thinks he's a complete wacko.
I see what you did there. Good job taking that out of context.
Thats not what I was saying at all. You can hate someones political views and still agree with them on one subject. Im sorry but there is no way that MM doing a film and having half of the US believe what he is say, could in any way be bad for us. Your arguments are starting to sound like the FDAs reasons for pulling the e-cig. "Well I think it MIGHT be bad for us, so better not do it at all."
Any publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right! The television commercials would provide E-Cigs with so much more exposure than what they have right now. Just like if Wal-mart carried them as opposed to the kiosks and smoke shops that currently carry them. Now if only we had decades of use to back us up saying they were safer than tobacco cigarettes, or more importantly, harmless to the non-smokers that surround us.
Please note; I am not stating that they are harmless to non-vapors or that second hand vapor has no effect. That statement was pure wishful thinking, and we have no actual knowledge of any long term effects to vapors or second hand vapors. Please do not high jack this thread to say how good E-Cigs are for you, because they simply have not been around for 50+ years with people that started vaping at 7 to study.
Please note; I am not stating that they are harmless to non-vapors or that second hand vapor has no effect. That statement was pure wishful thinking, and we have no actual knowledge of any long term effects to vapors or second hand vapors. Please do not high jack this thread to say how good E-Cigs are for you, because they simply have not been around for 50+ years with people that started vaping at 7 to study.
lets have the insurance companies decide if we live or die. I've had to file for bankruptcy because the insurance company didn't want to pay for my childs unfortunate medical problem!
I do believe that if a conservative would jump on the band wagon like,Beck, Rush, Hanity, the conservative world would jump for this. Has anybody noticed it is the liberals who demonize the smoker not the conservatives.
If Moore supported this, it would leave a bad taste in your atomizer
God Bless America
If Moore supported this, it would leave a bad taste in your atomizer
God Bless America
You all are forgetting one little problem, the FDA and the Tobacco Industry and Big Pharma, they all have a BIG stake in smokers getting sick and eventually dying. The asshats are making millions and won't roll over and let ecigs be approved without a very vigorous fight!
And if you all think the President on down are actually running this County, well I got a bridge to sell ya ;p
And if you all think the President on down are actually running this County, well I got a bridge to sell ya ;p
But if you like MM, then by all means... post away!!
Guess this will be my one and only post in this thread.
Since all of this is really just to get support for e-cigs, then a person who's political views are more center would be a better candidate. I'm sure half of this country thinks MM the best thing since sliced bread and the other half thinks he's a complete wacko.
(Since you think I took you out of context.)My arguments? What argument is that? It was merely a suggestion saying that a less controversial person would be better received by the country. Politics are a very hot topic in the world today. My point is this... having someone as extremely far left as he is would not help this cause at all, in my opinion. A lot of right leaning people who follow politics these days wouldn't waste their time listening to what Mr. Moore has to say, regardless of what he is saying, because of his controversial past, just as a lot of left leaning folks wouldn't give Ms. Ann Coulter the time of day, for the same reasons. Again, I think a person who is not politically involved or motivated would be a far better candidate. Just my two cents.
Haven't noticed this. I don't see any correlation between political affiliations and the need to control other people's behaviour but that tendency is gaining strength rapidly on both sides of the political divide.
I do believe the fact that this is all corporate run/money driven and the extreme inconsistancies between cigarettes, tobacco, and other stuff the FDA and health insurances etc do might peg his interest, if worded and approached in the right way that might appeal to him
I've also observed that Michael Moore sure seems to have a special soft spot for fellow Michiganders (really noticeable in his movies and his causes, if you happen to be a Michigander and rather tuned to seeing/noticing such things).
Maybe, if somebody who's a good wordmeister were able to really word and write up something really nicely, then maybe a certain Michigander with ideas (but who maybe isn't quite as wordy but who is willing to be the one) could send it along to him.
(Just a thought).
I've also observed that Michael Moore sure seems to have a special soft spot for fellow Michiganders (really noticeable in his movies and his causes, if you happen to be a Michigander and rather tuned to seeing/noticing such things).
Maybe, if somebody who's a good wordmeister were able to really word and write up something really nicely, then maybe a certain Michigander with ideas (but who maybe isn't quite as wordy but who is willing to be the one) could send it along to him.
(Just a thought).
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The bill that was passed in early Summer was started by the left and was finalized by the left, with the signature of obama.
Wow...i mention 2 words...a simple name...and chaos erupts hehe, didn't mean to start a war between the left and the right
The thing is, MM would most likely make this into a Left and Right issue, and that would be self defeating to all of us. I don't want either side blindly saying "NO!" just because the opposite side agrees that e-cigs are better than smoking real ones. Its sad, but if this is made into a demo/rep argument both sides are just going to fight for the sake of fighting, not for our cause.
Just my opinion though.
That's the bad thing about trying to get celebrities and political issue whores like Michael Moore involved in things. He won't do anything but turn it into a left-right issue, when that's A) not what we need and B) not what it is. Most of the time when you get these people involved, that's all they want to do: democrats vs republicans, liberals vs conservatives.
They've got this country so divided and the people fighting amongst themselves, it's a wonder anything that actually benefits us gets done. A house divided cannot stand, as we will soon see in the case of the United States.
Getting Michael Moore or any other political mouthpiece involved will be a mistake that, as someone else said earlier in this thread, will doom us all simply because it will cause people to go right back to their democrat or republican hidey holes instead of staying out in the light where things can actually be accomplished. God forbid democrats and republicans AGREE on anything, the world would stop turning.
Whoever we want to get involved here, they need to be non-partisan and both democrats and republicans need to love them. Getting MM or anyone like him involved is just going to make people fight each other. Yes, we're looking for a needle in a haystack.
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