What are your Vaping Pet Hates ;)

[mostapha]

My new pet peeve: assuming new vapers are idiots.

I put a lot of time and effort into trying to help people get away from cigarettes, and when people start to go the old "let them suffer with constant voltage, it's 'good enough' ", or "I quit without it, so they should be able to do the same", or "the Twist (/Spinner/kGo VV) is too confusing", or "they don't need to know about volts and watts", and give me loads of crap for trying to help people understand a few basics, I sometimes feel the need to vent a little bit.

I'm with you on that one. I got my first cigarette free day on a gas station mini with an SR atomizer. It wouldn't have worked long term, not by a long shot. All it did was prove that e-cigs aren't all garbage, which I thought they were after my first overpriced kit.

And I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but you're right. There's nothing the least bit confusing about the math/science involved in vaping if you have a high school level of science and math education. Everyone knew it well enough for a test at some point, or they fell though the cracks of their education system. Either way, the fact that one person doesn't understand it doesn't mean someone asking questions won't. The few things that are complicated (thermodynamics, fluid dynamics, circuit design, digital logic) aren't things that people play with unless they want to.

Maybe the fault is on us as a community for not trying to make it simpler, especially when the vast majority of VV devices are pathological liars and none of the math you think is complicated means anything anyway. But, honestly, if you want simple, it's a lot easier to play with the bottom of an eGo Twist or a Vision Spinner than it is to try loads of atomizers, measure their actual resistances, buy more that match, and know why the vape is different when one of them is a little out of spec. It's also impossible not to conflate a specific atomizer's design with its resistance when you're comparing performance of a system.

Case in point: there are people who can't imagine why someone would want to run a 1.5 ohm dual coil at 6V but think of an SR atty at 6V as just an older way of doing things.

Another example: people recommend SR coils for the eGo Twist and Vision Spinner without asking if the person likes warm or cool vapes.

Math…and expensive experimentation. Or a knob.

The knob is simple.

Sorry to bring this up, I know you want to drop it. But I missed the other thread, and I can't let that just sit. I'll happily ignore it (ITT) from now on.

Do I sense a tinge of sanctimony there?

There's no way to apologize over the internet without it coming across that way, intentional or not.

 

[elmattias]

I hate the term "personal vaporizer," too. My mind immediately goes to "personal massagers," and we all know of the unspoken connotations behind those.

Now, imagine showing a newbie an 18650 tube mod, and explaining the condom fill method for cartos. You know where their mind is going to end up. I don't think I could do that with a straight face, if I used the term "personal vaporizers."

not to mention everyone calling it a PV (meaning personal vaporizer) could easily confuse that for "personal vibrator"

 

[JENerationX]

Having been a noob who was overwhelmed myself once, I get it. I came in here and looked around, looked at reviews, and thought you were all a bunch of vape junky freaks. I started with the Volts because I could go there and everything I ordered went with everything else I ordered. I suffer from analysis paralysis. Buying anything is a big deal for me and I have to sit there and compare, compare, compare, and read reviews.

I said I wanted something small... not a freakish looking thing, and I didn't want to get ripped off again. Steeljan said, if you want small, get a Volt kit. It made me happy to not look like a freak or be self conscious vaping it in public... the 78mms perform well, they actually put out enough vapor to keep me off cigs. I moved up to the X2 a couple months in just to have longer battery life. Now I use those on the road and a Zenesis at home. I pay no attention to volts, watts, ohms, my eyes glaze over when anyone else does. All the "gives you more watts" was completely pointless until someone explained that in terms of vape experience.

If I came here today, and someone said here's a cig sized thing but you're gonna have to charge every 3 hours, or you can get 2 of these cigar sized things which will last the entire day and turning the volts up or down will give you warmer or cooler vape or more or less throat hit..... I might have went with that. (If I could have gotten over the form factor matching my habit). I think we need to stop just laying devices out there and duking it out for which device has the best stats and ask the poor noob some questions about what they're looking to get out of it. How much do you smoke? How often do you smoke? Are you at a desk or on the road throughout the day? Would it bother you to pull out something that looks like the memory eraser from Men In Black or do you want something totally discreet or something that looks like a droid's cigar? Are you comfortable tinkering with equipment or are you easily intimidated by it? Without doing that, we all sound like a bunch of used car salesmen selling what we're driving.

Peev time..... not rationing my juices. I'd like to just place one order a month, but I'm always out of or nearly out of SOMETHING way before the rest of it.


Edit: The above was not tended for any particular person.... it's a general comment on what happens every single time a newbie asks what to get.

 

[Bronze]

how about just telling me what's on your mind

It's a waste of time (as I have learned).

 

[John D in CT]

I hear that, Jen. We do have to make sure we don't alienate beginners by fighting endlessly among ourselves.

While beginners tend not to have a very clear idea of what equipment they'll be happiest with, since they don't know much about the ins and outs of all of the choices, I do my best to try to figure out what they'll he happiest with.

For me, it pretty much tends to boil down to whether or not they absolutely must have a look-alike, and if so, do they fully understand what they're giving up to go with that form factor. If they do, great, get a Volt, or a couple of others maybe. If they don't really care what it looks like, I'm going to heavily stress variable voltage, and for beginners, that leads me directly to the Twist, the Vision Spinner, or the possibly still-problematic kGo VV. For an attachment, I don't think there are many simpler choices that a Vivi Nova - standard, or Mini.

And the reason that I post - and take flak for - posting the Grimm Green Twist review is that he spells out so well the very limited downside to owning a VV eGo-class battery or three, since they're so damn useful, and are now commonly used and owned by many experienced vapers who have a lot of "fancier" stuff as well. Really, can you go very far wrong by spending $22 each for a couple of Twist 650's, and $10-14 each for a couple of Vivi Novas? For me, the answer is a resounding "NO".

And I have yet to understand the rationale for recommending a constant voltage eGo-class battery over a variable voltage one; eGo, kGo, Yugo, whatever-go. The marginal advantage of more battery life per overall mm of length just doesn't cut it for me. Getting two VV eGo's, or better yet, three, makes that a non-issue to me.

And I don't "push" this choice because I own it; I own it because of the strong case that can be made for purchasing and recommending it.

And again, a major pet peeve: an eGo-Twist or a Vision Spinner is too complicated for a beginner? (??) (!!) (#%@!&!)

Given the many challenges facing this country, and the need for an educated electorate - I sure hope it isn't.

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Bronze, I'm sorry you feel that way, but ask you again to please refrain from outright insults, and completely off-topic posts like that last one. You pretty much just said that I'm incapable of being engaged in a civil discussion of ideas, which I think a reasonable person would object to.

Again, I encourage you to just express your ideas without putting "the other guy" down with labels, judgments, and sentiments like that last one. Thanks.

 

[BenB]

when my girlfriend unplugs the charger

 

[John D in CT]

when my girlfriend unplugs the charger

When I accidentally unplug my "girlfriend".

 

[BenB]

That scenario is more tolerable

 

[LongHaul]

People who say ummmmmm in review videos, if you don't know what to say don't make the ummmmm video.

People who make videos and push mods they never have in stock


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[Hulamoon]

Oh good grief - here we go again, first I caught him fessing up to not wearing panty hose "so often" and now he has a ummm....well...Oh hell, I don't think I even want to go there!!! <----- Sorry Tez

When I accidentally unplug my "girlfriend".

 

[Shipmister]

Mine have to be when i cant taste nothing im going almost a week without taste of liquids ! Weird because i can taste everything else lol i have try using different flavors, the last was 555 and i picked up early these day but after 2 hrs im back to no taste.


That same thing happens to me too! No matter how much I vape I still feel like I'm just blowing out tasteless juice!



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[John D in CT]

Oh good grief - here we go again, first I caught him fessing up to not wearing panty hose "so often" and now he has a ummm....well...Oh hell, I don't think I even want to go there!!! <----- Sorry Tez

Thanks a lot, Little Miss "Never Forgets a Thing"! Just when I thought that had faded into oblivion like fifty pages ago, BAM!, there it is again. Jeez, ya slip into pantyhose ONE TIME ..... Reminds me of the "Pierre, da boat builder" joke, which unfortunately, I cannot tell in here.

But yeah, my girlfriend is really smokin' ... so I'd better go check it out, it might be a short-circuit or something. LMAO

Aloha, Sue!

 

[meli.]

I dunno John it's only Pantyhose, not near as bad as admitting to Goats...

 

[JENerationX]

Thanks John, I certainly appreciate the passion that everyone has here for wanting someone off cigarettes. It's fantastic to come to a place where anyone and everyone is willing to jump in and help. I just think we lose the experience in the technical stuff a bit. I don't think we need to assume a noob can't handle vv or any device... hell, I jumped from Volt X2s to a Zenesis and managed just fine, but I think we should keep in mind that some may be embarrassed to ask what more or less volts DOES and break it down or tell them this may not be something they understand if they're a new vaper so please ask.

Pet Peeve of the day...... drip tip crusties..... YUCK.

 

[JENerationX]

Now I'm picturing a chimp with pantyhose on....... all the hair mashed down under the hose.

 

[John D in CT]

I dunno John it's only Pantyhose, not near as bad as admitting to Goats...

Goats lie!! Nuff said about those little weasels .... LOL

Thanks John, I certainly appreciate the passion that everyone has here for wanting someone off cigarettes. It's fantastic to come to a place where anyone and everyone is willing to jump in and help. I just think we lose the experience in the technical stuff a bit. I don't think we need to assume a noob can't handle vv or any device... hell, I jumped from Volt X2s to a Zenesis and managed just fine, but I think we should keep in mind that some may be embarrassed to ask what more or less volts DOES and break it down or tell them this may not be something they understand if they're a new vaper so please ask.

Pet Peeve of the day...... drip tip crusties..... YUCK.

Again, I hear ya; the last thing I want to do is make vaping seem so complicated that anyone is driven away - but I don't think that actually happens much; and I think that beginners will be spared a lot of long-term grief if they fight off the "brain fog", resist having their eyeballs glaze over, and get a grasp of the very basics of what is going on when they press the button on a PV.

This is how I explained it in that thread, and I'd be happy to take constructive feedback on it. I just think it's vitally important to know, first of all - "why variable voltage?"; and also so many other things, like why don't I want to use a 3 ohm single coil, or a 2.8 ohm Vivi Nova head, on a 3.4v - 3.7v constant-voltage battery? I just think that beginners will be far too much "in the dark" if they don't understand that volts and resistance are related to watts, and how.

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"I think there's a very basic amount of information about volts, ohms, and watts that is so crucial to a satisfying vaping experience - and therefore, crucial for success in the War on Smoking - that's it's worth taking about three minutes out of your life to get a handle on.

I think it will also save a lot of wasted and frustrating time spent wondering why you're not getting a satisfactory vape, or trying to decide what resistance of coil or coils you should be using.

It really is not very complicated.

The watts (heat) at the coil or coils is a function of the volts flowing through the resistance wire that the coil is made of.

Having a variable voltage device/PV/APV/battery lets you control the amount of watts (heat) of the coil or coils, allowing you to tailor your vape for a variety of flavors, resistances, or moods.

It can be expressed with the only formula you need ever be exposed to, and that you don't even need to memorize, although it's pretty simple:

Volts times volts divided by resistance (in ohms) equals watts (heat), or

V x V / R (sometimes expressed as "I") = W.

So;

X volts with a lower resistance coil = more heat (more watts).

X volts with a higher resistance coil = less heat (fewer watts).

This is why you wouldn't want to use a 3 ohm single coil with your eGo-C (constant voltage) battery.

3.4 volts x 3.4 volts / 3 ohms = 3.85 watts. Kinda "cool".

A 2.0 ohm single coil would be better.

3.4 volts x 3.4 volts / 2 ohms = 5.78 watts. Probably a better vape.

If you had a variable voltage eGo-class battery, you could have a much wider and more adjustable range of temperatures at the coil. With a Twist, you could plug in a voltage of anywhere between 3.2 and 4.8 with either a 2.0 or 3.0 ohm single coil and get just about any reasonable wattage you'd be likely to desire, regardless of the flavor or PG/VG ratio of the juice, or variance of resistances of coils from their "nominal" rating (a "2.0" might actually be a 1.8, or a 2.2, for example).

Variable voltage just lets you have a better chance of having the coil at a temperature that gives you a vape that you'll like, and that will get and keep you off of cigarettes; in other words, 'fulfill my agenda' ".

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338444-noob-needs-advice-6.html#post7400888 Page 6, yesterday

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Today's vaping pet peeve: relentless snarkiness.

Good job Skip. Hope you enjoy it. Wait for John D in CT for juice recommendations. I'm certain he is an expert in this area as well.

I might make some recommendations; then again, kiss my ....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338444-noob-needs-advice-9.html Page 9, today

 

[guitarman023]

Another one to go along with "uuuuuhhhhmmmm" reviewers is the 5 minute intro of way too loud music and crappy graphics. I sit there clicking past it and it keeps going and the whole time I'm going "errr mah gerrrd! can we just see the review please?!" So yeah, long intros... Oh and "there's ducks in my pond!" or "sorry that was my cat" or "so I don't know if you can hear that or not but..." just stick to the topic. I watch a lot of reviews BTW

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Another one to go along with "uuuuuhhhhmmmm" reviewers is the 5 minute intro of way too loud music and crappy graphics. I sit there clicking past it and it keeps going and the whole time I'm going "errr mah gerrrd! can we just see the review please?!" So yeah, long intros... Oh and "there's ducks in my pond!" or "sorry that was my cat" or "so I don't know if you can hear that or not but..." just stick to the topic. I watch a lot of reviews BTW

Totally! I'm waiting for the intro that's longer than the review itself. I'm sure it's already out there.

 

[LisaL]

Okay I got one.

LOSING!! a barely opened bottle of a primo juice somewhere between the car and my bedroom and NOT being able to find it. I am seriously peeved.

 

[JENerationX]

John, nothing I'd revise in that post, that explained everything in terms that would make sense... My brain fog is deep, but even I can manage to pay attention when someone says this or that = cooler or warmer vape. My peeve was not directed at you... it was from extended reading of the entire new forum over months that just got me thinking.

Where I get peeved, is post after post of vets arguing with vets over stats of some device without explaining the differences. Someone says get an eGO cause it's a 510 thread, then someone says yeah but an ego is 3.2 v unregulated and a Volt X2 or the Kgo is 3.6-3.7 regulated so better (although the X2 is 808 threaded). I had a noob PM me once thinking that they understood that a regulated device meant it had a safety feature. Nobody explained what it meant, just went on for a page bickering about it.

I can't for the life of me understand why the majority of us can't agree and back each other up on logical suggestions.

1. cig-alikes if necessary: Volt, Bloog, Smoov (just different logos)
2. mid sized things: eGo, KGo, Volt X2, if you're gonna go this route, might as well have the eGo Twist unless you're looking at some insanely marked down kit just to have something.
3. APVs... personal preference, tell us what you're looking for.

If we're not backing each other up or at least saying "hey, that's a good recommendation... here's another option that has this and that feature as well if that's something important to you" rather than bickering, then the poor noob is getting more and more wary of trusting anyone's advice. Again, this is not directed at any one individual... it's a general thought that before we have a pissing contest.... think what that does to the noob. 2-3 options with an explanation of each is great, when everyone and their cousin comes in and touts their own favorite device and belittles what someone else suggested, where does the noob turn?