I can't help but wonder how many on this site are liberals that happen to be on the other side on this issue.
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I can't help but wonder how many on this site are liberals that happen to be on the other side on this issue.
Is there a list of politicians who are speaking out against electronic cigarettes so I can see if they're all "liberals" or not?
Is there anyone who has read or posted in this thread, who doesn't clearly understand why we must ALL join CASAA and help stop the madness? (I know some of you do) Why doesn't CASAA have 50,000 members already?
See post #14 in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dge-napalitano-e-cigs-fda-2.html#post10594399
Thanks.
Just goes to show that corporations and lobbyists are running the government and the people come last in the whole "Land of the Free" equation.
Of course, the so-called "conservatives" want to legislate my womb and keep my friends and family from marrying so...
THEY ALL SUCK! LOL
~glad to be Independent
I have found that those who post on ECF, who have indicated in one form or another that they are of the liberal persuasion, when the evidence is presented that it is only liberal politicians calling either for a ban or severe restrictions on vaping, they all go very quite. It's a matter of public record. It's no coincidence that the FDA's initial attacks on vaping, including trying to ban it and confiscating thousands of vaping shipments started in 2009. If it was conservatives or moderates (my preference) who were trying to have vaping stopped, I believe many of us would be just as vocal against their ignorance.
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I knew you had joined and are a positive recruiter for others joining CASAA.
Hey, I'm fairly liberal in a lot of ways but you aren't going to get me to shut up...LOL
I don't even know HOW to shut up, really.
You all are DOOMED.
I was just implying that I'd join again to help increase the numbers if I could...lol
I don't even know HOW to shut up, really.
You all are DOOMED.
I was just implying that I'd join again to help increase the numbers if I could...lol
I am in between but I know when things are being screwed up by this so called gov who has never ran a business.....That things will get much worse.
I'd just like to see them learn to use our taxpayer money in an INTELLIGENT manner instead of feeding the pork machine and serving their own self interests. And I've taken to calling us the United Corporate States of America because it sure isn't by the people, for the people anymore.
Zoe this has happened so many times in history it's scarey. Why don't people ever learn. History repeats and this time it will probably rhyme.
Exactly. The US government is there to represent business, not people. It's beyond frustrating, I hope something happens soon to change this.
In between here also but I agree. It isn't just "never ran a business" that is an issue. It is a matter of ideology (some of which I agree with but some I disagree) superseding practical reality and attempts to legislate that ideology.
Thus we get the fine line being discussed here. Ideology and reality dictate smoking is harmful. People should not do it. Ideology says anything that looks like it must be just as bad but practical reality demonstrates this is not so. Then moving to the legislative aspect, if the ideology is there and practical reality disagrees then you won't convince people not to do it so force them in one way or another. If banning won't work, regulate it to the point people will give up. Practical reality dictates you won't force people to do certain things.
I have been against any faction getting too much power but honestly a faction based on ideology over practical reality gaining too much power is terrifying.
well its not entirely true that the gov never ran a business
they ran the mustang ranch brothel
By 1990, the IRS had seized the ranch, putting the federal government in the unique position of running a brothel.
The government failed and the ranch was padlocked for the first time. The IRS auctioned off beds, the bidets -- even the room numbers -- to recover some of Conforte's tax debt.
Four years later, the brothel's new owner, the federal Bureau of Land Management, put the brothel up for grabs on eBay.
and also ran a casino
The federal government's long and embarrassing role as a major owner of the Bicycle Club Casino
but they failed at both - go figure
I only wish most people in this country had a clue what's happening before it's too late. I've said many times I'm glad I'm old.
I don't agree. Upon deciding not to run for a third term George Washington warned not to form opposing political parties because they would eventually represent their own power instead of the interest of the people. Where we are now is the parties are only after their own interest (or ideology as I just stated) and they are utilizing corporate economic power to push their political agenda.
ETA - Where this relates to topic: Ideology dictates as said before. The opposition faction has no interest in the debate because helping to protect vaping will not help them regain power.
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I just don't see why we can't be free to do whatever we want as long as we aren't harming others or disrupting society. All this nanny state business is suffocating and it's the government as a whole doing it, not one side or the other. Whoever lobbies the best with the deepest pockets wins.
Everyone should have the same rights without other people getting to have a say in whether it's "moral" or not. Morality is too subjective. There is no equitable standard.
Sometimes I wish I could just go somewhere away from civilization and just do my own thing. My problem is my life is on the internet....lol
George washington is history, when you have a system where more are on the dole and enjoy it and the rest are paying for it how long do you think it will work. Especially when there are no good jobs and robots are in each businesses financial plan.
Controlling peoples health and medical future is the first step. That way you control them.
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