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klynnn

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I have had to ask for help. I grew up in a time when the only way to get ahead was to go in the military. Being poor was a way of life not a badge. Back then nobody took a handout. I did what I had to do but I have since got an education and instead of believing what I hear on tv or a certain platform. I have real life experience to back it up.
 

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I should have mentioned that the media is basically useless today. In depth reporting is just as bad. Media seems agenda driven rather than driven by the facts or the truth.

Extremely true statement. No such thing as unbiased media. Network media should be used as a source of entertainment, that's it.
 

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1. The only politicians who are calling for banning vaping have two things in common: they are all liberals and they all take money from the Big Pharm. industry.

2. The organized groups who want vaping banned like the ALA, AHA, ACA and ASH all have one thing in common: they are primarily funded by Big Pharm. and do their bidding for them.

3. 95% of the major news outlets have one thing in common: they are all progressive liberals, love liberal politicians and believe in promoting the "nanny state" philosophy that we are not capable of making our own decisions and must be protected from ourselves.

If you want to know the truth, then join CASAA. It is vapers like us who have joined together to seek the truth and promote the truth about vaping. Plus you will find a wealth of scientific data on vaping, especially the newest study out of Drexel University in Philadelphia.

And for the 10,000th time: eliquid does not have antifreeze in it.

I get really turned off when people blame "liberals" for everything. Give it a rest.
 

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I have found that those who post on ECF, who have indicated in one form or another that they are of the liberal persuasion, when the evidence is presented that it is only liberal politicians calling either for a ban or severe restrictions on vaping, they all go very quite. It's a matter of public record. It's no coincidence that the FDA's initial attacks on vaping, including trying to ban it and confiscating thousands of vaping shipments started in 2009. If it was conservatives or moderates (my preference) who were trying to have vaping stopped, I believe many of us would be just as vocal against their ignorance.

Liberals. Conservatives. Blah blah blah. They are two sides of the same coin. Get over the division already.
 

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Where we are now is the parties are only after their own interest (or ideology as I just stated) and they are utilizing corporate economic power to push their political agenda.

I can't entirely agree with this. I think it's backwards. I think that the corperations are using the government to push their agendas. Look at it. Most of your major players in Washington have either worked in or have intrests in many of the larger corporate industries. Banking, Oil, Pharm, Agraculture, Manufacturing.
The best way to persuade a government offical to vote for your cause is to put one of your own people in that political position.
When was the last time "we the people" nominated a presidentual canidate?

We no longer vote for who WE want. We vote for who THEY want. They just happen to give up a choice between the top two people that THEY put into place.
 
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I can't entirely agree with this. I think it's backwards. I think that the corperations are using the government to push their agendas. Look at it. Most of your major players in Washington have either worked in or have intrests in many of the larger corporate industries. Banking, Oil, Pharm, Agraculture, Manufacturing.
The best way to persuade a government offical to vote for your cause is to put one of your own people in that political position.
When was the last time "we the people" nominated a presidentual canidate?

We no longer vote for who WE want. We vote for who THEY want. They just happen to give up a choice between the top two people that THEY put into place.

^^THIS


So much THIS.
 

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I get really turned off when people blame "liberals" for everything. Give it a rest.

Excuse me? How about you do some research instead of spouting off about something you have no clue about. I have no "political" bias when it comes to vaping. The facts are the facts. It has only been liberal politicians who have called for banning and/or severely restricting our ability to vape. The initial ban on all vaping supplies and the confiscation of thousands of vaping shipments occured in 2009 under the direction of the current administration. The only national network to come out with positive reports about vaping was Fox with John Stossel's report back in 2011 and with more positive reports this year. Fox also had one negative report. But overall more positive than negative. Reporting by the other networks have all been negative.

I suggest you try doing some research before you make statements that don't fit the facts.
 

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I can't entirely agree with this. I think it's backwards. I think that the corperations are using the government to push their agendas. Look at it. Most of your major players in Washington have either worked in or have intrests in many of the larger corporate industries. Banking, Oil, Pharm, Agraculture, Manufacturing.
The best way to persuade a government offical to vote for your cause is to put one of your own people in that political position.
When was the last time "we the people" nominated a presidentual canidate?

We no longer vote for who WE want. We vote for who THEY want. They just happen to give up a choice between the top two people that THEY put into place.

One hand washes the other. As I said, the corporations are the economic and the politicians are the governing body with a different agenda.

I assign blame to the people who are supposed to be representing the interest of the people.
 

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1. The only politicians who are calling for banning vaping have two things in common: they are all liberals and they all take money from the Big Pharm. industry.

2. The organized groups who want vaping banned like the ALA, AHA, ACA and ASH all have one thing in common: they are primarily funded by Big Pharm. and do their bidding for them.

3. 95% of the major news outlets have one thing in common: they are all progressive liberals, love liberal politicians and believe in promoting the "nanny state" philosophy that we are not capable of making our own decisions and must be protected from ourselves.

If you want to know the truth, then join CASAA. It is vapers like us who have joined together to seek the truth and promote the truth about vaping. Plus you will find a wealth of scientific data on vaping, especially the newest study out of Drexel University in Philadelphia.

And for the 10,000th time: eliquid does not have antifreeze in it.

do we have to go this route again??? If so we can talk about the things CONSERVATIVES want to legislate,,,,,,,

I can't help but wonder how many on this site are liberals that happen to be on the other side on this issue.

count me in.

Thanks.

Just goes to show that corporations and lobbyists are running the government and the people come last in the whole "Land of the Free" equation.

Of course, the so-called "conservatives" want to legislate my womb and keep my friends and family from marrying so...


THEY ALL SUCK! LOL


~glad to be Independent

thank you.
 

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I've been reading about e-cigarettes and I keep coming across information from respectable mainstream media outlets that seems to me to be rather dubious.......
Is any of this even remotely true, and if not, why would mainstream media report what seems to me to possibly be blatant lies (propaganda) and how can they legally get away with that (spreading slander)??

I do hope that you wrote that mainstream media is reputable as a humongous joke. Each media outlet no matter how supposed reputable they are, are bought and paid for by large corporate conglomerates who will spend millions and billions to push their agenda. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and so on and so forth are all bought. If you don't believe that then read the New York times then watch the news and see how reputable your media news channels really are.

If you were allowed access to the "behind the scenes" paperwork on the stories and articles aired and written about e-cigs you would find that each and every one of the negative ad's is funded by Big Tobacco and the huge Pharmaceutical companies who are loosing billions of dollars because millions of us are making the switch from real cigarettes to vaping, that the Pharmaceutical companies have been lying to us for years and years about the effective nature of the patches and gum's and inhalants they peddle to the masses.

The reason the FDA wants to take it over is because the revenue that was being generated by the massively over inflated cigarette taxes (sin tax) is amounting to losses of 10+ million per state per year lost because so many of us are switching to vaping and not having to pay the over inflated sin taxes, yet we are healthier, happier and having our nicotine needs met without having to take in the other hazardous and harmful things found in cigarettes.

To each and every person that doesn't understand the impact that having the FDA getting involved and governing your juices, I pitty you. To the people that want to make a difference and think there is nothing they can do, please stand up and take a solid stance. Write your congressmen/congresswoman immediately telling them how e-cigs and vaping has saved your life, how the switch to vaping has improved your overall health, tell them that nicotine mixed with the juices is no more harmful then the cup of coffee or the can of soda they are drinking. Write your mayor, governor and state government also and inform them the same things.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
 

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I have found that those who post on ECF, who have indicated in one form or another that they are of the liberal persuasion, when the evidence is presented that it is only liberal politicians calling either for a ban or severe restrictions on vaping, they all go very quite. It's a matter of public record. It's no coincidence that the FDA's initial attacks on vaping, including trying to ban it and confiscating thousands of vaping shipments started in 2009. If it was conservatives or moderates (my preference) who were trying to have vaping stopped, I believe many of us would be just as vocal against their ignorance.

we go quiet because we are sick of being blamed for everything. First of all, we are not sheeple,,,,,,,,we don't buy or believe EVERYTHING the dems tell us,,,,,,,,,,we have brains and we use them. AND because there's a right place and a wrong place for this argument.

second of all,,,,,,,,,,I'm sick of Dems being told they are the only ones trying to legislate everything,,,,,,,

when Repubs stop trying to legislate my womb or who I can marry, then we'll talk.
 

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we go quiet because we are sick of being blamed for everything. First of all, we are not sheeple,,,,,,,,we don't buy or believe EVERYTHING the dems tell us,,,,,,,,,,we have brains and we use them. AND because there's a right place and a wrong place for this argument.

second of all,,,,,,,,,,I'm sick of Dems being told they are the only ones trying to legislate everything,,,,,,,

when Repubs stop trying to legislate my womb or who I can marry, then we'll talk.

I'm not going back to re-read everything but I think he said "liberal" not democrat. Big difference. Granted democrat is more likely to be liberal than repulican but the phrasing is important.

He also indicated he isn't either but is just pointing out what is evident in the vaping fight.

But yeah, once you move outside of vaping both sides only represent their own interest and power instead of the people. If I was a single issue voter and my issue was vaping, I'd have to vote republican. Fortunately I try to see the whole picture instead of one issue.
 

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I'm not going back to re-read everything but I think he said "liberal" not democrat. Big difference. Granted democrat is more likely to be liberal than repulican but the phrasing is important.

He also indicated he isn't either but is just pointing out what is evident in the vaping fight.

But yeah, once you move outside of vaping both sides only represent their own interest and power instead of the people. If I was a single issue voter and my issue was vaping, I'd have to vote republican. Fortunately I try to see the whole picture instead of one issue.

most of the dems I know are more liberal than most of the republicans I know,,,,,,

having said that, of course, there are repubs and dems who are far more middle ground.
 
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