George washington is history, when you have a system where more are on the dole and enjoy it...
Spoken like someone who has never had to stoop to asking for help.
I can assure you, it's ghastly for most people.
George washington is history, when you have a system where more are on the dole and enjoy it...
I should have mentioned that the media is basically useless today. In depth reporting is just as bad. Media seems agenda driven rather than driven by the facts or the truth.
1. The only politicians who are calling for banning vaping have two things in common: they are all liberals and they all take money from the Big Pharm. industry.
2. The organized groups who want vaping banned like the ALA, AHA, ACA and ASH all have one thing in common: they are primarily funded by Big Pharm. and do their bidding for them.
3. 95% of the major news outlets have one thing in common: they are all progressive liberals, love liberal politicians and believe in promoting the "nanny state" philosophy that we are not capable of making our own decisions and must be protected from ourselves.
If you want to know the truth, then join CASAA. It is vapers like us who have joined together to seek the truth and promote the truth about vaping. Plus you will find a wealth of scientific data on vaping, especially the newest study out of Drexel University in Philadelphia.
And for the 10,000th time: eliquid does not have antifreeze in it.
I have found that those who post on ECF, who have indicated in one form or another that they are of the liberal persuasion, when the evidence is presented that it is only liberal politicians calling either for a ban or severe restrictions on vaping, they all go very quite. It's a matter of public record. It's no coincidence that the FDA's initial attacks on vaping, including trying to ban it and confiscating thousands of vaping shipments started in 2009. If it was conservatives or moderates (my preference) who were trying to have vaping stopped, I believe many of us would be just as vocal against their ignorance.
Where we are now is the parties are only after their own interest (or ideology as I just stated) and they are utilizing corporate economic power to push their political agenda.
I can't entirely agree with this. I think it's backwards. I think that the corperations are using the government to push their agendas. Look at it. Most of your major players in Washington have either worked in or have intrests in many of the larger corporate industries. Banking, Oil, Pharm, Agraculture, Manufacturing.
The best way to persuade a government offical to vote for your cause is to put one of your own people in that political position.
When was the last time "we the people" nominated a presidentual canidate?
We no longer vote for who WE want. We vote for who THEY want. They just happen to give up a choice between the top two people that THEY put into place.
^^THIS
So much THIS.
I get really turned off when people blame "liberals" for everything. Give it a rest.
respectable mainstream media outlets
I can't entirely agree with this. I think it's backwards. I think that the corperations are using the government to push their agendas. Look at it. Most of your major players in Washington have either worked in or have intrests in many of the larger corporate industries. Banking, Oil, Pharm, Agraculture, Manufacturing.
The best way to persuade a government offical to vote for your cause is to put one of your own people in that political position.
When was the last time "we the people" nominated a presidentual canidate?
We no longer vote for who WE want. We vote for who THEY want. They just happen to give up a choice between the top two people that THEY put into place.
1. The only politicians who are calling for banning vaping have two things in common: they are all liberals and they all take money from the Big Pharm. industry.
2. The organized groups who want vaping banned like the ALA, AHA, ACA and ASH all have one thing in common: they are primarily funded by Big Pharm. and do their bidding for them.
3. 95% of the major news outlets have one thing in common: they are all progressive liberals, love liberal politicians and believe in promoting the "nanny state" philosophy that we are not capable of making our own decisions and must be protected from ourselves.
If you want to know the truth, then join CASAA. It is vapers like us who have joined together to seek the truth and promote the truth about vaping. Plus you will find a wealth of scientific data on vaping, especially the newest study out of Drexel University in Philadelphia.
And for the 10,000th time: eliquid does not have antifreeze in it.
I can't help but wonder how many on this site are liberals that happen to be on the other side on this issue.
Thanks.
Just goes to show that corporations and lobbyists are running the government and the people come last in the whole "Land of the Free" equation.
Of course, the so-called "conservatives" want to legislate my womb and keep my friends and family from marrying so...
THEY ALL SUCK! LOL
~glad to be Independent
I've been reading about e-cigarettes and I keep coming across information from respectable mainstream media outlets that seems to me to be rather dubious.......
Is any of this even remotely true, and if not, why would mainstream media report what seems to me to possibly be blatant lies (propaganda) and how can they legally get away with that (spreading slander)??
I have found that those who post on ECF, who have indicated in one form or another that they are of the liberal persuasion, when the evidence is presented that it is only liberal politicians calling either for a ban or severe restrictions on vaping, they all go very quite. It's a matter of public record. It's no coincidence that the FDA's initial attacks on vaping, including trying to ban it and confiscating thousands of vaping shipments started in 2009. If it was conservatives or moderates (my preference) who were trying to have vaping stopped, I believe many of us would be just as vocal against their ignorance.
we go quiet because we are sick of being blamed for everything. First of all, we are not sheeple,,,,,,,,we don't buy or believe EVERYTHING the dems tell us,,,,,,,,,,we have brains and we use them. AND because there's a right place and a wrong place for this argument.
second of all,,,,,,,,,,I'm sick of Dems being told they are the only ones trying to legislate everything,,,,,,,
when Repubs stop trying to legislate my womb or who I can marry, then we'll talk.
I'm not going back to re-read everything but I think he said "liberal" not democrat. Big difference. Granted democrat is more likely to be liberal than repulican but the phrasing is important.
He also indicated he isn't either but is just pointing out what is evident in the vaping fight.
But yeah, once you move outside of vaping both sides only represent their own interest and power instead of the people. If I was a single issue voter and my issue was vaping, I'd have to vote republican. Fortunately I try to see the whole picture instead of one issue.