What e-juice are you refilling with?

[MiztrezzLyn]

I have the "new" blank cartos and have been using them over the weekend. I haven't experienced any burning whatsoever in them. They seem to be lasting a long time and are just delightful, I *was* a carto hater before now I could always taste the filler, just couldn't stand them. I'm quite enjoying them now.

*Edited to add* I've been filling them with mostly 50/50 juice. My homemade snickerdoodle and TV Atomic Cinnacide

 

[leaford]

Thx for the reply leaford

Idk if it's the juice or the nic content, but I hope it's not the nic, because I also got some 11mg Chocolate, and while it goes down smoother, they don't even approach giving me the fix I need

Patience grasshopper, then. Give your body time to adjust to it. Try switching up. Use the 11mg most of the time, to satisfy the habit, but switch to the higher strength when you need the hit. You will getbused to it over time. I used to HATE throat hit, and wanted the smoothest vapor I could get. Now, I can hardly imagine it feeling satisfying without feeling that kick.

Remember also that you are simultaneously adjusting to NOT having all the lung irritation and tar. Your lungs will be hacking up a lot of crap for the first couple of weeks, which will add to the irritation, so be patient with that, too. It's pretty typical for new vapers to be coughing and hacking and wheezing more than they did on cigs. This too, shall pass.

 

[crbrown]

Some are. I am still using VG and having some good vapes and some bad taste. If I draw harder and therefore force the air through faster, I get better results. The latest lower resistance blanks are apparently working better, but I haven't tried those yet...

Could some explain to me the difference high/low resistance? I'm amusing that it means one heats the liquid more then the others? How can I tell which ones I am getting? Does it matter about which liquid you use, do some do better on high or low and if so how can I tell the difference? And what is "ohms"? Sorry for all the questions. I do try to find the answers my self but I find that only creates more questions. lol I feel so lost with all this, I like vaping better then smoking, but oh my the information overload!
Thanks

 

[nycsublimegirl]

I always say when someone switches... vaping will have the same effect on you as would a hot shower... when i was smoking cigarettes and I would go into a hot shower or steam room i would cough and cough... now you are putting "steam"/vapor into your lungs...will have the same effect until your lungs clear out as leaford said....then you can take huge vapor hits and not cough.... then

Patience grasshopper, then. Give your body time to adjust to it. Try switching up. Use the 11mg most of the time, to satisfy the habit, but switch to the higher strength when you need the hit. You will getbused to it over time. I used to HATE throat hit, and wanted the smoothest vapor I could get. Now, I can hardly imagine it feeling satisfying without feeling that kick.

Remember also that you are simultaneously adjusting to NOT having all the lung irritation and tar. Your lungs will be hacking up a lot of crap for the first couple of weeks, which will add to the irritation, so be patient with that, too. It's pretty typical for new vapers to be coughing and hacking and wheezing more than they did on cigs. This too, shall pass.

 

[leaford]

Could some explain to me the difference high/low resistance? I'm amusing that it means one heats the liquid more then the others? How can I tell which ones I am getting? Does it matter about which liquid you use, do some do better on high or low and if so how can I tell the difference? And what is "ohms"? Sorry for all the questions. I do try to find the answers my self but I find that only creates more questions. lol I feel so lost with all this, I like vaping better then smoking, but oh my the information overload!
Thanks

Without getting into too much detail, the lower resistance the heating coil is, the hotter it will get at the same voltage input from the battery, meaning more vapor and stronger throat hit. But, too much heat too quickly can carmelize sugars or glycerin in the liquid before it can vaporize, so there's a balance that has to be struck.

Resistance is measured in ohms, and can vary from model to model, and from one manufacturer to another. Originally most atomizers and cartos were around 3.7ohms but around a year ago low resistance atomizers and cartomizers were introduced, which can be as low as 2ohms. All our new cartomizers will have a guaranteed resistance rating which will be labeled on the cartomizer box. Currently that's 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, but I might raise that to 2.6 - 2.8 ohms, depending on feedback on our last batch.

 

[Newme]

"Currently that's 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, but I might raise that to 2.6 - 2.8 ohms, depending on feedback on our last batch." Are those considered LR? And how will the lower resistance than the older ones affect the vaping experience? I ask because I think the ones I already have work great. Though I know there has been a problem with the burning smell and some of them not working at all. But the ones I have that do work, work great! And I did try some V4L CoolCarts, and didn't care for them at all. One of the many reasons being that the Bloog cartos stayed cooler to the touch than the Coolcarts.

Basically I'm asking what the lower ohms will do to the Bloog vaping experience?

 

[dragginfly]

My new blanks should be here today or tomorrow. I don't normally put any carto
under 3.0 ohms on my PT, but I can try one of the new Maxx carto blanks with
some 50/50 mochachino at 5 volts. If that don't burn it [the juice], nothing will.

My first MaxxFusion and cartos arrived today!!!

Just got one batt, 5 pre-filleds (red), and 5 blanks for now. Will definitely be
getting an Ultimate kit when they are back in stock.

All the blanks metered at about 2.5 ohms (+/- 0.05)

Filled a blank with 1 ml of Hopscotch (DIY) using a syringe. Let it sit upright a
few minutes. (No drippage from the bottom hole.)

Set it on the MaxxFusion (78mm), vaped very nicely. Smooth and cool.

Set it on my PT (auto switch powered with 2.2 amp wall converter). At 5 volts
this would draw about 2.0 amps and nearly 10 watts of power. The PT has
good airflow or I would not even try it.

On the PT it did have a slight off taste, but nothing I would call burnt. Most likely
it is a component in the liquid solution that is creating the taste... the nicotine
itself perhaps. The off taste may also be from PGA, which I had previously
added to this hopscotch batch. (I don't recall my exact recipe, which also
most likely included some MTS Vape Wizard.)

Out of time for today, but tomorrow I'll test at high volts with 100% VG and
high nic (no flavor or additives)... and mochachino as promissed.

My guess at this point is the only concern over too much VG is viscosity. If
it is too thick, the juice may not wick quickly enough.

 

[sooperdrave]

"Currently that's 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, but I might raise that to 2.6 - 2.8 ohms, depending on feedback on our last batch." Are those considered LR? And how will the lower resistance than the older ones affect the vaping experience? I ask because I think the ones I already have work great. Though I know there has been a problem with the burning smell and some of them not working at all. But the ones I have that do work, work great! And I did try some V4L CoolCarts, and didn't care for them at all. One of the many reasons being that the Bloog cartos stayed cooler to the touch than the Coolcarts.

Basically I'm asking what the lower ohms will do to the Bloog vaping experience?

if the ohms are too low, then the atty will get so hot so fast that it will burn the juice. also too low resistance will draw too much current and will shorten the life of your battery.

 

[sooperdrave]

Without getting into too much detail, the lower resistance the heating coil is, the hotter it will get at the same voltage input from the battery, meaning more vapor and stronger throat hit. But, too much heat too quickly can carmelize sugars or glycerin in the liquid before it can vaporize, so there's a balance that has to be struck.

Resistance is measured in ohms, and can vary from model to model, and from one manufacturer to another. Originally most atomizers and cartos were around 3.7ohms but around a year ago low resistance atomizers and cartomizers were introduced, which can be as low as 2ohms. All our new cartomizers will have a guaranteed resistance rating which will be labeled on the cartomizer box. Currently that's 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, but I might raise that to 2.6 - 2.8 ohms, depending on feedback on our last batch.

hey leaford! i just got and used one of these that tested at 3.0ohms, and so far it is the best one i have used. i think 2.6-2.8 will work just fine.

 

[Newme]

And what is usually considered "too low"? Does it make any other differences that a person would notice when vaping? And thank you for the explanation!

 

[sooperdrave]

And what is usually considered "too low"? Does it make any other differences that a person would notice when vaping? And thank you for the explanation!

too low depends on what device/carto/atty etc...
on the bmf, imho, below 2.2omhs is too low.

 

[crbrown]

I promise, just a few more questions

1)Are all e-liquids compatible with all carto's or is there a combination I should avoid?

2)Do some e-liquids need a higher imho to vaporize properly?
I've notice that when using the 4vl wow liquid in the cool-carts I tend to get a build up in my throat that I don't get unless using that combination. I wondered if the temp of the liquid would have any thing to do with it if the liquid was designed to be used at a higher temp.

3) Do the wow juices work to refill the bloog carto's?
I plan on ordering the MaxFusion this week but want to know if they are compatible.

4)And finally, when buying liquid from other venders is there a way to tell which liquids will work best with Bloog carto's?
Sorry if I sound a little OCD, but I hate feeling like I'm shopping in the dark.
Thanks for all your help.

 

[Frick]

I promise, just a few more questions

1)Are all e-liquids compatible with all carto's or is there a combination I should avoid?

2)Do some e-liquids need a higher imho to vaporize properly?
I've notice that when using the 4vl wow liquid in the cool-carts I tend to get a build up in my throat that I don't get unless using that combination. I wondered if the temp of the liquid would have any thing to do with it if the liquid was designed to be used at a higher temp.

3) Do the wow juices work to refill the bloog carto's?
I plan on ordering the MaxFusion this week but want to know if they are compatible.

4)And finally, when buying liquid from other venders is there a way to tell which liquids will work best with Bloog carto's?
Sorry if I sound a little OCD, but I hate feeling like I'm shopping in the dark.
Thanks for all your help.

1) Cartos are just a cart and atty combined into one unit. The issue is whether the liquid will wick properly, and keep the atty from being neither flooded nor starved of liquid. I don't think there's a consensus on what exact ratio of PG/VG is suitable for these cartos. The pre-filled cartos are 100% PG, which is thinner and wicks better. But, I've been using Vaperite Organic Tobacco (16mg) 50/50 and it vapes just fine. In fact, I'm thinking about ordering more because it tastes great.

2) Not sure. It seems to me these cartos are pretty forgiving. I have some 100% VG 26mg USA Mix from CigNot, and when one of these cartos (I'm rotating three right now) gets a little older, I'll try it and see how it handles 100% VG, although I suspect this liquid is cut a bit with either pure grain alcohol or distilled water, because it's not that thick.

3) V4L WOW juice is available as both 100% PG or 100% VG, so you'd have to specify which you have. As I said, I'm not sure (and haven't read anywhere) that 100% VG will work in these cartos. I suspect unless it's cut, it won't wick properly (being too thick) on these cartos.

4) The way to tell would be strictly on the PG/VG ratio. We know 100% PG works fine, because it's what's in the pre-filled cartos. I've read of others DIY-ing 70/30 ratios and it working fine. As I said, the 50/50 from Vaperite (Organic Tobacco) works fine for me, and I've refilled two different cartos with it.

 

[leaford]

"Currently that's 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, but I might raise that to 2.6 - 2.8 ohms, depending on feedback on our last batch." Are those considered LR? And how will the lower resistance than the older ones affect the vaping experience? I ask because I think the ones I already have work great. Though I know there has been a problem with the burning smell and some of them not working at all. But the ones I have that do work, work great! And I did try some V4L CoolCarts, and didn't care for them at all. One of the many reasons being that the Bloog cartos stayed cooler to the touch than the Coolcarts.

Basically I'm asking what the lower ohms will do to the Bloog vaping experience?

Actually, it's not lower. 85% or so from the first batches were between 2.4 - 2.6ohms, with about 5% higher resistance and 10% lower resistance. Roughly. I've just trimmed the ends of the bell curve that's all.

 

[leaford]

hey leaford! i just got and used one of these that tested at 3.0ohms, and so far it is the best one i have used. i think 2.6-2.8 will work just fine.

Did you calculate and adjust for the resistance of your leads? Our manufacturer has two sets (well, probably more than that, but two that they usually give me to use), one precalibrated, one uncalibrated because they swap leads too frequently. On the uncalibrated one, the unadjusted reading is between 3.0 and 3.2ohms.

 

[leaford]

too low depends on what device/carto/atty etc...
on the bmf, imho, below 2.2omhs is too low.

Also depends on preference. At V4L the Premium cartos were only 2.0ohms, and yes we had a lot of complaints about burnt cartos (and they actually burned, not just burnt liquid) but most customers didn't have, or at least didn't notice, any problem, and loved the higher vapor and TH. Technique also plays into it. As Toni pointed out, softer, slower drags work better in high temp vaping whether due to low resistance, or high voltage.

 

[dragginfly]

i think 2.6-2.8 will work just fine.

No-o-o-o-o-o-o! Stick with 2.4 ~ 2.6!

Or split the difference and make them all exactly 2.6

 

[sooperdrave]

Did you calculate and adjust for the resistance of your leads? Our manufacturer has two sets (well, probably more than that, but two that they usually give me to use), one precalibrated, one uncalibrated because they swap leads too frequently. On the uncalibrated one, the unadjusted reading is between 3.0 and 3.2ohms.

yup. as an electrcal engineering student, im pretty accurate with my measuring. the carto ichecked was from the old batch.

Also depends on preference. At V4L the Premium cartos were only 2.0ohms, and yes we had a lot of complaints about burnt cartos (and they actually burned, not just burnt liquid) but most customers didn't have, or at least didn't notice, any problem, and loved the higher vapor and TH. Technique also plays into it. As Toni pointed out, softer, slower drags work better in high temp vaping whether due to low resistance, or high voltage.

i agree. was just giving the short answer.

 

[jayvap33]

Well, I don't want to assume anything yet, but so far I haven't heard about burnt tasting liquid from the new batch. (i need a crossed-fingers smilie, Jay)

You got it brother, crossing heart and toes too

Jordan, that sounds more like throat hit than a reaction to PG, which would be more serious irritation. Higher VG content reduces TH, but so does lower nicotine content, so you could try stepping down to the next lower strength.

Thx for the reply leaford

Idk if it's the juice or the nic content, but I hope it's not the nic, because I also got some 11mg Chocolate, and while it goes down smoother, they don't even approach giving me the fix I need

You'll have to experiment, look into dipping if you haven't tried it. Many additives will alter TH, vapor, flavor and harshness of your vape. As will voltage and nic levels. I never use over 12mg nic so I can't direct you there, BUT in general I find that higher nic means less vapor and more TH and higher VG means more vapor and less TH, and better flavor for me.

 

[Steeldragon]

Well after 2 months going to attempt dripping, I know I am slow. I placed an order with MsT bakery essentials for a few juices. I know they are not the fastest company but they intrigue me. I was waiting for Leaford to straighten out the cart situation before trying it. I know with Leaford and Jayvap crossing fingers and toes there is a good chance everything will be all right except for minor cramps.