What has influenced your buying decisions?

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pianoguy

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As I'm celebrating 3 years of no smoking today, I'm reflecting a bit on what has shaped my buying decisions since I discovered vaping. Firstly, I can't imagine that I'd have been successful without the ECF - so many people from all walks of life, willing to offer help and share their experiences. Truly a unique and invaluable resource.

When I first got interested back in the fall of '09, the majority of folks seemed to be moving to the 510 camp, with some using 901's, 801's and RN4081's, but the KR808-D1 was gaining some prominence. After reading about so many people fiddling with their various devices, with straw mods, fluval, tea bags, etc. I was leaning toward the simplicity of the KR8, and this video helped to sway me:

Vapor4Life VaporKing - Solution To My Problem - YouTube

I ordered a couple kits from Vapor4Life, and about a week later, my wife and I were done smoking. Nothing short of amazing - 40+ years of smoking was history. The KR8 served me well for quite some time.

But the FDA was starting to sieze shipments coming from China for some suppliers, and the threat of a ban had a black cloud looming over the whole industry. So I became concerned about having only proprietary e-cig batteries. Vaping was working for me when nothing else did, so I was going to do my best to make sure nobody could take it away. Most of the available mods were dedicated to the 510 platform, but the Bartleby (they were little 14500 box mods) could be fitted with 901 connections, so I could use them with my stash of KR8 cartos. I bought a couple of them and didn't use them all that much, but having them gave me some peace of mind.

About this same time.I also ordered enough concentrated nic juice to last me a couple of years, much for the same reason. I've tried my hand at DIY a couple of times, with little success (a lousy cook, I've been accused of using the smoke alarm as a timer). But I'll always have some on hand, just in case. And maybe my cooking will improve.

After about 6 months of refilling cartos, I became tired of the refilling/topping off - it always seemed necessary at the most inopportune time. In the spring of 2010, I saw some reviews of a new bottom-feeder box mod called the WetBox, which was available with either 510 or KR8 fittings. So I ordered one. I was smitten - this was the perfect solution for me. It had its flaws, though - the needle feed system leaked juice back into the box, and it was, after all, just a cheap plastic box mod at its heart, complete with a flaky switch, a mess of wires and hot-melt glue. But I was sold on the concept, and it worked pretty well while it lasted.

When I saw the prototype of the REO Mini in the fall of '10, I knew I had to have one. Virtually indestructible aircraft aluminum bottom-feeder, all-mechanical, no needle feed to leak back into the box. I was lucky enough to get one of the first batch, and it has been a constant companion ever since. I have bought nothing but REO's since then - a Grand from the first run, which is my work-horse, a Woodvil, a couple of Mini's for the Mrs., and my latest, a VV Grand. My original Mini and Grand have taken a licking for over 2 years, and just keep on ticking. I expect they'll outlive me.

It took me a while to convert my wife into a REO user, but the convenience eventually won her over. In the meantime, I had bought her a few of the fat-batt KR8's, which have now been collecting dust for quite some time.

When I first switched to the REO, the 808 cartos didn't work great on it (needed an adapter, which kind of messed up the draw), and I wasn't thrilled with the selection of the early 510 cartos, so I tried atty's for a while. I was never enamored with the 510 atty, so I gravitated toward 306's. They worked well enough, but required maintenance, and were a bit fussy. Eventually the selection of 510 cartos improved dramatically, so I went back to them, and most recently the Smoktech shorty 1.7's were my favorites. They were a perfect companion to the REOS - no leaks at all, and no pre-filling required.

For quite some time, I'd read about the emerging rebuildable atomizers. I found the concept compelling - the freedom to make an atomizer to my liking anytime I want, for pennies (not including the initial outlay, of course). But the early ones were not designed with a bottom-feeder in mind. When the Chalice, a rebuildable atomizer for bottom-feeders, became available recently, I had to have one. It was spendy, but it is a very high-quality piece, and it's been my favorite since I got it. Not long afterward, the ERA became available for bottom-feeders - it's a nice rebuildable atty and more affordable. I picked up a couple of those as well. And REO will also offer one soon, so I expect to get one of those, too. My Mrs. still uses the shorty cartos, preferring their more compact size on her REO Mini. But who knows, maybe I'll get her on the rebuildable bandwagon one of these days, too.

Nobody knows what the future will bring, particularly in light of the rapid pace of development. But I am quite satisfied with the setups I have today. Well, I guess a battery that only needs to be charged once a week would be nice. It will be interesting to look back again another 3 years down the road.
 
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In 2010 when I first started researching ecigs, I found this site before anywhere else. Yes, people were mostly flocking to 510's then, and the blue foam mod was very popular. Hah, back then, vendors sold blue foam, so I ordered a legit Joyetech 510 kit, a 30mL bottle of 555 and a 30mL bottle of Caramel Apple, and a black of precut blue foam blocks for carts and a drip tip. Drip tips were still a new concept, the youtube videos on them were so funny, people were fricking EXCITED! I tried the foam off the bat and right away knew it wasn't for me, so I ended up using a regular, black 510 manual kit with blue LED, and a black drip tip for months. Eventually I moved on to eGos for the batt life, but soon realized I wasn't satisfied with my vape any more. For the longest time I wanted to stay with simple Joyetech kits, but it got to the point where I knew I had to finally venture out and try something a little more high tech, so I got a 3.7v box mod and started using LR atties.

WOW I had no idea how great these things could get, I next moved on to a Lavatube. Now I own the box mod, Lavatube, Provari, P+ 18650, a GGTB, and a kicked Silver Bullet. I don't have as big of a collection as a lot of people but I also have a Cobra, DID, drip mode Odysseus, 4 phoenix clones, a Penelope on the way, over 50 cartos(all Boge LR, bought a few weeks ago, everyone has worked flawlessly so far), and a couple tiny bags filled to the brim with atomizers. I've slowly added more to my collection, and finally am at that point where I no longer don't feel completely satisfied with the gear I have. I am especially fond of my Cobra that just came in, and am super stoked for my Penelope to get here! Things have evolved so quickly in just a little over 2 years since I first began vaping.

Over 2 years ago when I was puffing my 510 kit, I never expected to have a Provari(with extension cap)+Cobra & knuckle drip tip which = 8.25 inches long and is as wide around as a flashlight, hahahaha. Seriously, I think if I carried this setup around in my front pocket it would stick out of the pocket it's so huge, but I LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!!! :D
 
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I started with RN4081s (Safe Cig) just a little over a year ago. I didn't know ANY thing about "e-cigs" really..except form reading a couple of review sites (which I know now can be biased). I was happy enough with TSC, except for the price. Within a couple of weeks I realized there were far less expensive things out there. Money is always a motivator. I found V2 and thought the price was better...so I got a kit, and then realized that TSC and V2 were two different critters. V2 was KR808D-1. Okay...fine. So I used both awhile. Then I chanced on a review on Google for the Smokeless Image Volt. I had never heard of them before (this was in early October 2011) but the review was compelling and the price even more so. I got a few of their batteries and pre-fills because, by then, I'd caught on to the threading thing, and I knew they were compatible with V2 equipment (KR808D-1). I was VERY pleased. So things rolled along for another month or so...until I found myself growing impatient with the constant charging. I had batteries plugged into outlets all over the house all the time! Got to talking to some people in another forum and one suggested I try the Kanger vGo from Vapors Heaven. Since she was a well respected person...I decided to give it a go since the battery was 1000 mAh and promised a longer time between charges, even for a chain vaper like me. I got a vGo kit and fell headlong in love. Money was still the biggest motivator for me then, though.

I continued with the vGo for a few months..very happily. Everyone else I knew in the forums were stampeding to the eGos and the kGos..but I clung to my KR808. I finally tried a kGo, but disliked the cartridge/atty system (intensely) and after trying the t-tanks...was convinced that that sort of thing was NOT for me. Leaks, constant fiddling and adjusting...having to worry how hard I hit and how often. No thanks. But I was reluctant to start getting 510 cartomizers. Eventually I did get some dual coil clear ones. At first I liked them, but then after having cracking and burning issues...I rejected them and went back to my trusty vGo and KR808 cartos.

Then Smokeless Image came out with the X2 battery/passthrough...in an array of high mAh choices and colors!...and I came unglued and started on a madcap buying spree. Money be danged. Then SI came out with the clearomizers, and I had to delve into those (love at first which turned to acute disgust...putting me off wick systems to this day). Then...a few months ago a friend gave me a LT v-1. She didn't like it and thought I might. My very first mod..and first VV. I was caught up in the novelty for a time...but quickly figured out that I wasn't ready for a huge flashlight sized mod, and had had the fear of God put in me about how "dangerous" the rechargeable 18650 batteries could be. Plus I never seemed to really USE the VV. I was always setting it at between 3.5 and 3.7. So I let it ease out of rotation and went back to my beloved vGos and X2s.

About 2 or 3 months ago the tide turned again. Another friend gifted me a 3.7 Gripper..complete kit with extender tube, batteries, charger and all. And my mind was blown. I was no longer quaking my boots about how "dangerous" rechargeable batteries are...and loved being able to simply change out batteries when needed and not have to change out the whole device to do so. It was in a way my first "box mod". I got to where I was so fond of the idea of changing out batteries that I started eyeing the eGo T Mod. Not only could you change the batteries as needed...but also the power head AND the tubes, too! Wow! This is COOL! You could even switch from regulated to unregulated settings! Went a little eGo T Mod crazy and got hubby hooked on them too. Then next came the telescope. By this time I was thinking in terms of Zombie Apocalypse....I wanted something that would last and be "fixable". I wanted something really sturdy. I was enchanted at the idea of a mechanical mod...and having the freedom to use nearly any rechargeable battery I had to power it was the tipping point. So I got the Smok Telescope (money IS still a factor, after all!) and am totally in love!

So now I mostly only use my mods...the 3.7 Gripper, the eGo T Mod and the Telescope. I recently bought a little 3.7 box mod on a whim (and like it quite a bit, to my surprise) and am revisiting the LT (still setting it for 3.5volts). NOW I can finally get back to my original motivation: saving money! I DIY my juice now, and have found I prefer using single coil cartomizers and like EMSCCs and tank carto systems. I use LR mostly 2ohm. Smoktech has been good to me. I have mods that are low maintenance and are suited for my vaping habits and style. I really am starting to see some savings. Now. Only took me about a year to get there. Ha.
 

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Congrats on 3 years! WOW! I can't wait to get there!

What has influenced my buying? Hmmm, well, in the beginning, I purchased an eGo C upgrade kit because it's what my sister had and the only kind I was familiar with. But, BOY, did I hate those leaky tanks! That's when I joined here and all of you wonderful members suggested options for me to try.

I started by ordering online and trying Vivi Nova tanks and various clearomizers. I found my favorite clearomizers and began using those. Then, one day, I found a brick & mortar shop nearby and went to sample juices. That is when I saw and used my first cartomizer while tasting juices. It was love at first vape! LOL! So I left with a package of Smoktech cartos and several new juices. On my next visit, I left with a Vision Spinner. I'm happy with my batteries right now.

Now I am on a mission to try different cartomizers. I will be ordering some bottom feeding carts soon to try. After that, I want to try out the tanks with cartos.

If I try a few things at a time, it helps me curb my spending.
 

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Nice writeup - I enjoyed reading that :)

I got into this relatively recently (sept) and like you vaping is the only thing that's worked for me to keep me away from cigs. Started out with a pair of Provari's and have started to get my feet wet with mechanicals (P+).

With the FDA business still up in the air I found myself becoming very protective of my right to continue vaping so I went in the RBA and DIY direction. I've since collected quite a few gennys and other assorted RBA's as well as a hefty supply of wick and wire. I'm a bit of a prepper by nature and my vaping kit is starting to reflect that. I want to be setup and protected in case policy takes a turn for the worse.

BTW, I grew up in Apple Valley :) Small world!
 

Susaz

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As I'm celebrating 3 years of no smoking today, I'm reflecting a bit on what has shaped my buying decisions since I discovered vaping. Firstly, I can't imagine that I'd have been successful without the ECF - so many people from all walks of life, willing to offer help and share their experiences. Truly a unique and invaluable resource.

When I first got interested back in the fall of '09, the majority of folks seemed to be moving to the 510 camp, with some using 901's, 801's and RN4081's, but the KR808-D1 was gaining some prominence. After reading about so many people fiddling with their various devices, with straw mods, fluval, tea bags, etc. I was leaning toward the simplicity of the KR8, and this video helped to sway me:

Vapor4Life VaporKing - Solution To My Problem - YouTube

I ordered a couple kits from Vapor4Life, and about a week later, my wife and I were done smoking. Nothing short of amazing - 40+ years of smoking was history. The KR8 served me well for quite some time.

But the FDA was starting to sieze shipments coming from China for some suppliers, and the threat of a ban had a black cloud looming over the whole industry. So I became concerned about having only proprietary e-cig batteries. Vaping was working for me when nothing else did, so I was going to do my best to make sure nobody could take it away. Most of the available mods were dedicated to the 510 platform, but the Bartleby (they were little 14500 box mods) could be fitted with 901 connections, so I could use them with my stash of KR8 cartos. I bought a couple of them and didn't use them all that much, but having them gave me some peace of mind.

About this same time.I also ordered enough concentrated nic juice to last me a couple of years, much for the same reason. I've tried my hand at DIY a couple of times, with little success (a lousy cook, I've been accused of using the smoke alarm as a timer). But I'll always have some on hand, just in case. And maybe my cooking will improve.

After about 6 months of refilling cartos, I became tired of the refilling/topping off - it always seemed necessary at the most inopportune time. In the spring of 2010, I saw some reviews of a new bottom-feeder box mod called the WetBox, which was available with either 510 or KR8 fittings. So I ordered one. I was smitten - this was the perfect solution for me. It had its flaws, though - the needle feed system leaked juice back into the box, and it was, after all, just a cheap plastic box mod at its heart, complete with a flaky switch, a mess of wires and hot-melt glue. But I was sold on the concept, and it worked pretty well while it lasted.

When I saw the prototype of the REO Mini in the fall of '10, I knew I had to have one. Virtually indestructible aircraft aluminum bottom-feeder, all-mechanical, no needle feed to leak back into the box. I was lucky enough to get one of the first batch, and it has been a constant companion ever since. I have bought nothing but REO's since then - a Grand from the first run, which is my work-horse, a Woodvil, a couple of Mini's for the Mrs., and my latest, a VV Grand. My original Mini and Grand have taken a licking for over 2 years, and just keep on ticking. I expect they'll outlive me.

It took me a while to convert my wife into a REO user, but the convenience eventually won her over. In the meantime, I had bought her a few of the fat-batt KR8's, which have now been collecting dust for quite some time.

When I first switched to the REO, the 808 cartos didn't work great on it (needed an adapter, which kind of messed up the draw), and I wasn't thrilled with the selection of the early 510 cartos, so I tried atty's for a while. I was never enamored with the 510 atty, so I gravitated toward 306's. They worked well enough, but required maintenance, and were a bit fussy. Eventually the selection of 510 cartos improved dramatically, so I went back to them, and most recently the Smoktech shorty 1.7's were my favorites. They were a perfect companion to the REOS - no leaks at all, and no pre-filling required.

For quite some time, I'd read about the emerging rebuildable atomizers. I found the concept compelling - the freedom to make an atomizer to my liking anytime I want, for pennies (not including the initial outlay, of course). But the early ones were not designed with a bottom-feeder in mind. When the Chalice, a rebuildable atomizer for bottom-feeders, became available recently, I had to have one. It was spendy, but it is a very high-quality piece, and it's been my favorite since I got it. Not long afterward, the ERA became available for bottom-feeders - it's a nice rebuildable atty and more affordable. I picked up a couple of those as well. And REO will also offer one soon, so I expect to get one of those, too. My Mrs. still uses the shorty cartos, preferring their more compact size on her REO Mini. But who knows, maybe I'll get her on the rebuildable bandwagon one of these days, too.

Nobody knows what the future will bring, particularly in light of the rapid pace of development. But I am quite satisfied with the setups I have today. Well, I guess a battery that only needs to be charged once a week would be nice. It will be interesting to look back again another 3 years down the road.

My story could have been very much like yours, except for the fact that I ran out of money and when my stash of supplies ran out I went back to smoking. I think I came back in time to see the revolution: batts, clearos, I think this is the turning point for vaping...

BTW, I miss the V4L batts... They were SO posh!
 

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I look up everything! I have the time. I search for stuff by discribing it and wade thru the options. Get a lotof alibaba sites so I put in a year, even next year and see what comes up. Some of alibaba descriptions are a lot better than store websites.... If you can understand it all. Price always seems to be my final motivating thing. I read descriptions of the expensive stuff carefully and try to find something for less with same specs or really decide what's important. Then safety is next. Glass and stainless steel and what cartos are using for filling; then I look up all the fillings! Ha ha.battery stuff...boring but essential. Yeah I look up just about everything and read tons of stuff on ecf here and use my intuition as to what is being said is appropriate for my needs and wants. Looks are super important to me then...yeah I like things that look really expensive. Lately I've been looking for used expensive things but disappointed in the top pricing. The only thing that keeps from making my own is I am really really stupid about anything technical. Frankly electricity scares me and deep inside when I'm vaping the one thing negative that happens to the experience is the knowledge of all that's involved making it happen and the stuff being used. I swear I taste fillers and stainless steel and red hot coils! Bit I look at this way. It would be way worse than using a gasoline powered vaporizer. Ha ha. We do want to hear what we want sometimes so when a sales pitch of a website or review gets me excited I try to put it all in perspective and again....look at the price. I recently read here on ecf that the fact is these things are priced according to what the market will bear. This is so true of everything. Sure were paying for knowledge and expertise not hardware but it seems to be particularly bad with these batteries. Coupons influence some choices. My own finances really influence what I buy. If I have extra cash to burn all the sudden I'm like, sure this seems fine "just do it"! Better to window shop when your waiting for a paycheck then when you already got it.
 

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This forum! This place is great. I just ordered a ProVari! I go thru all the treads and look at which ones are really active. Easy way to find the most popular devices. Then I read reviews both good and bad and make a decision. When I look at an item that has 99.9% good reviews I know it's gonna perform like its supposed to. :toast:
 

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I am motivated by my love for Vaping, I never enjoyed analogs like I do this. I also alway want the best I can get and so I've gone through a few different setups. Started with a crapy gas station e-cig, then moved to an Ego, then on to my favorite, a ProVari mini. I also went from cheaper tanks to carto tanks and now I'm a dripper because of the amazing flavor and hit. Now I've got a Cobra RBA in the mail. Looking for the look, convenience and flavor all in one package. Now looking into the Chameleon Mod. Happy as a loon!
 

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I started with a 510 model but got tired of messing with cartridge fillers, so I started dripping and still drip exclusively to this day.
I was using pen grips as a makeshift drip tip, so when REAL drip tips came out I jumped all over them.

Then I got tired of charging batteries all the time, so I got a Chuck to run 18650 batteries.
Then I got another Chuck, and another Chuck, for no reason other than just because I wanted them.

Then I got scared due to the FDA attempting to ban electronic cigarettes, so I bought about 60 standard 510 atomizers.
I am still using them exclusively, and at this point have about 45 left.

Then I bought a Mini Reo because I wanted something I could take on all-day excursions like a trip to Disneyland.

Then I tried someone's Darwin at a vape meet and knew instantly that I had to go higher voltage.

So I bought some 4.8 volt NiMH batteries, which I now use in my Chucks, and there is no going back to 3.7 volts now.
This made my Mini Reo became useless to me, and it now gathers dust.

Then I bought an Ego Twist to replace the Mini Reo for my out-and-about-all-day situations.

I am perfectly happy with my current setup, but I am concerned about silica wick.
So now I need an entirely new solution.

I am waiting for someone to make the perfect dripping atomizer that is very small and does not use silica wick.
When someone produces something like that I will buy a whole bunch of them.
 
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before i grabbed my first kit, i was already preoccupied with higher mah over form. 650 mah will not last me 6-8 hrs, btw. learned quickly that disposable batteries were a silly investment. learned that clearomizers don't like to really perform well below -10C, which is a problem for a few months.
decided to check out bottom feeders, because a 10ml bottle and large battery life are highly attractive. i swore off clearomizers forever and moved onto cartos.
ultimately found bottom feeders are fun, but not for me. moved on from cartos to carto tanks because continually topping them off was a pain after a few months. moved on to mechanical apvs, since replacing a battery seems way more sensible to me. shelled out extra cash for an awesome piece of machinery with a lifetime warranty.
still really enjoy my dcts, and haven't experienced any of the issues with messiness or finickiness as some users seem to report. though was becoming more interested in rebuildables, and was wondering if clearomizers had improved in the past year. bought a vivi nova from a local fellow and really liked it with the long wicks, found it frustrating with the uber stubby wicks. they seem to perform pretty well at -15C, which is awesome. i have many more on the way, and i hope i can rely on them as happily as i relied on the dcts (of which i have some cartos left for...in case). hoping that i can use a head 2-3 times before tossing, which makes them 2-3x more cost effective than carrtos. still don't like just tossing stuff right away. :|
this way i will not have to frequently order from a different supplier located further away just for cartos. i can get the replacement heads cheaper from a liquid vendor i like, and reduce my shipping costs. once i grow the nerve, i can make my own wicks. it seems not too scary. the vivi nova seems like an ok introduction to some other styles of rebuildables i would like to try. so i'm moving on to different atomizing strategies once more.
still holding out for a rebuildable atomizer being developed by super t. /sigh.
 

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These forums and the plethora of youtube videos were so helpful. I started with a recommendation from friend to visit a local vapor shop and I got started with an ego kit and then when visiting Las Vegas, we went to Pink Spot Vapor shop and I upgraded to a eGo Twist and got some amazing new eLiquids on their recommendations. After that, I joined in on ECF and have been researching like crazy and settled on a Provari V2. It's changed my world. I agree about the re-fill at inopportune times, so getting an APV with replaceable batteries so I wouldn't have to recharge my unit and wait to vape. Now I have 2-5 ml clearomizers filled and with me at all times. Never. Stopping. Vaping. Only a month and a half cigarette free, but not a single desire to go back! It's encouraging to see people who have stuck with it for 3+ years after so many years of smoking. Thanks!
 
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