What is a pure 3.7v (tornado/ego battery or a 14500 3.6v/3.7 box mod) ?

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What the hell are you talking about ? All my mods have vent holes and i use LIMN batteries, worst that is going to happen is it will get very hot and vent gas through the holes.

The reason your metal tube mods have vent holes and most box mods do not...is because box mods are not air tight to begin with...so they vent from multiple sources and they generally have more internal room anyway. Of course both should be safe(ish) with a LiMn non stacked battery.
 

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Very nice chart Zen. I would say the comfort levels are purely subjective. What is "Way Too Hot" for some is a nice warm vape to others. I think the only way to really know is to try it. I use LR 306 atties @ 1.5 ohms on a 18650 3.7v mod, and it is perfect for me. I guess my point is, don't let the "Way too hot" type ratings, especially at the border between one and another rating, discourage you from trying it.

I agree... I made that chart for myself originally, and while most folks that have used the chart agree with my analysis of the ratings, it is subject to the specific taste of the user to some varying degree.
 

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That is a great chart. Saved and filed. I was under the impression that ego/Tornado batteries had 14500 built inside and wired different which would result in a 3.7 BUT now I see and understand they are around 3.2 to 3.4. However after a few hours my 14500 will decline in voltage as will the Tornado so that's why I thought they were the same.

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That is a great chart. Saved and filed. I was under the impression that ego/Tornado batteries had 14500 built inside and wired different which would result in a 3.7 BUT now I see and understand they are around 3.2 to 3.4. However after a few hours my 14500 will decline in voltage as will the Tornado so that's why I thought they were the same.

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The FatBat eGo/Tornado is actually below 3.2v under load.
 

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Hi all,Although I take my eGo to work,my BB or Icon is slightly better IMO.
The eGo,without hi-nic.juice has hardly any punch,-lot's o' vape,no punch.
the 14500 powered mods are a little better,not much,but they are better.
Best yet(for me)is 2ohm 510 on my provari@ 4.8-5v.
I don't know what that comes to in watts,But it works for me:vapor:
 

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My logic is that if i hate the harshness of an LR when using a Tornado battery... imagine how much harder it will hit when i use my box mod for the first time. I will probably hate the LR even more. Good thing I bought some cisco 2 ohm atties which will reduce the harshness. Also. When using a 14500,fully charged is around 4.2 which brings the total watts when using an LR wayyyyyy high. But as you use the battery it will drop to 3.7 to 3.2 levels i assume?
Making a little bit cooler and less harsh?


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My logic is that if i hate the harshness of an LR when using a Tornado battery... imagine how much harder it will hit when i use my box mod for the first time. I will probably hate the LR even more. Good thing I bought some cisco 2 ohm atties which will reduce the harshness. Also. When using a 14500,fully charged is around 4.2 which brings the total watts when using an LR wayyyyyy high. But as you use the battery it will drop to 3.7 to 3.2 levels i assume?
Making a little bit cooler and less harsh?


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The voltage of the 14500 will sag to close to 3.7v under load. See
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

The Bartleby in his test uses a 14500.
 

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Hi all,Although I take my eGo to work,my BB or Icon is slightly better IMO.
The eGo,without hi-nic.juice has hardly any punch,-lot's o' vape,no punch.
the 14500 powered mods are a little better,not much,but they are better.
Best yet(for me)is 2ohm 510 on my provari@ 4.8-5v.
I don't know what that comes to in watts,But it works for me:vapor:

OMG that's hot... 2 ohms at 5 volts is 12.5 watts! At 4.8 it's 11.5 watts... The sweet spot for MOST folks is between 7 and 8 watts.

But the ProVari is one sweet device... I'm using one right this minute!
 

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The picture by Zen shows a 1.5LR with 3.7v running at 9.1 watt that is wayyyy to hot if you ask me. I like around 1.8-2.0 . Problem is that atty resistance is always changing, and never constant. Clean atties can give different resistance over dirty atties...etc...so at 3.7, while using an LR 1.5 - if you happen to get a clunker that registers at like 1.2ohm - you'll be tasting metal for days.
 

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I'M confused,,, whats the best ohm atty to use on my riva eGo 3.7(or 3.4) to get flavor and hit without getting really hot atty.

That's very subjective but my favorite is without a doubt is a true cisco LR 306 atomizer. When I got my omega i was so stoked i ordered a HV 306 for it. Well, they must have got them mixed up because it was a LR 306. i threw it on the omega and stacked cr 123 a's for 6volts.

for about 5 minutes i never wanted 6volts ever again LOL it felt like a blow torch of eliquid and i was freaking out. Thank god i only used it for a few minutes or else i'd of blown up my brand new mod probably.

Anywho, i realized the issue, threw in my 18650 for 3.7 and i gotta say, it's probably my favorite vaping experience so far.

When i'm feeling curious i throw on the LR 306 on my 5v passthrough through my computer (which i reckon is probably only 4.3 or 4.4 at that point in the USB) And it's definately a bit hotter 8) but i wouldn't recommend people doing that LOL could cause some problems.
 

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...3.2 volt eGo-ish 1.5 ohm LR atty: 3.2 * 3.2 / 1.5 = 6.83 watts = good, may blow circuits...
"Sweet spot" is subjective, of course. For many, it is somewhere between 6 and 8 watts. So, yeah, 6.83 watts is very good for a lot of us. However, it is not watts (i.e., power or intensity of the vape) that does damage, but amps (i.e., the current). In this case (a 1.5 ohm LR atty on a 3.2V fat batt): 2.1 amps, which is on the high side. [My rule of thumb: around 1.5 amps is fine; 2.0+ amps is risky.]

But 2.1 amps is not going to "blow circuits." It's going to fry the atomizer (probably gradually) ... which is why suppliers typically tell purchasers, in effect: "Hey, these LR attys are vulnerable. Don't come running back to me asking for a refund, if yours goes kaput in a few days."

As always, thanks, WOH!

The first link explains this watts and amps stuff and the formulae behind them. The second enables you to calculate them without brain strain.

We vapers walk a tightrope between watts and amps, struggling to reach our sweet spot without burning out our attys. The safest, most effective way is with a moderately high ohm atomizer on a variable voltage mod. The less expensive stop-gap (in a smaller package) is with an LR atomizer on a fat batt. The price we pay is more frequent atomizer replacement.

For example, a 3.0 ohm atomizer on 4.5V yields 6.75 watts (virtually the same as that 1.5 ohm atty on 3.2V) and 1.5 amps (much less than that 2.1 amps).
 

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for about 5 minutes i never wanted 6volts ever again LOL it felt like a blow torch of eliquid and i was freaking out. Thank god i only used it for a few minutes or else i'd of blown up my brand new mod probably.

The mod woud have survived... the poor atty though... YIKES... that's one aggresive throat hit, no?

Anywho, i realized the issue, threw in my 18650 for 3.7 and i gotta say, it's probably my favorite vaping experience so far.

Yeah... this is a magic combo that works really well.

When i'm feeling curious i throw on the LR 306 on my 5v passthrough through my computer (which i reckon is probably only 4.3 or 4.4 at that point in the USB) And it's definately a bit hotter 8) but i wouldn't recommend people doing that LOL could cause some problems.

Yeah, you can fry your motherboard that way... even at 4.3v under load, that's in the neighborhood of 11-12 watts (the ciscos vary from 1.5-1.8 ohms) You're trying to pull better than 2 1/2 amps out of a usb port that is typically rated at 1/2 an amp... really good ones seem to supply one amp.
 

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OMG that's hot... 2 ohms at 5 volts is 12.5 watts! At 4.8 it's 11.5 watts... The sweet spot for MOST folks is between 7 and 8 watts.

But the ProVari is one sweet device... I'm using one right this minute!


8-o daaaay-um,I didn't know that,and I thought 6v with a std.(2.5-3.0 ohm)510 was too
hot!!:evil:
 
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