What is that perfume taste?

[lorikay13]

First let me say I am definately NOT the person whose taste you should trust...right now I am vaping a Violet juice and my standard juice is Rosewater. BUT...You might want to try Vapor Station. Because Eric also uses these flower flavors personally so would be able to guide you to the flavors he has that would never have that taste. Also...his juice is made in India buy a plant that specializes in FOOD FLAVORINGS. They make the flavorings themselves so have a much better feel for what will taste true to life. But mostly...every bottle of juice you buy from VS has every single ingredient...down to the chemical names...printed right on the label. So if you think you have identified the compound that is causing the taste you don't like all you have to do is ask Eric before you buy something if it contains that chemical. He will tell you I promise.

btw...even though I do love my Rosewater,Violet and Lavender I also know the taste you are talking about. It is a nasty chemical taste....like something that does not belong there. And I don't know what causes it but it certainly seems much more prevelant in Dekang and Chinese juices.

oh yes...You might also try writing to Linda at Perfumers Apprentice. She is a SUPER nice lady with an exstensive knowlege of chemistry as it applies to perfumes and flavors. She might be able to tell you right off the bat which artificial flavor is causing the offending taste.

 

[joe555]

i've been having trouble with this as well. anyone know if TW liquids have this problem or not? (i'm just after ordering their hilton liquid...)

 

[mini_art]

I know just what you mean, perfume, yuck! I cant stand them. Johnson creek ( Illinoise) doesnt have that taste and Ms Ts bakery has no perfume taste is made in Chicago and is very good.
No idea what the perfume taste comes from but I think I will stick to USA made juice.

 

[DC2]

I know just what you mean, perfume, yuck! I cant stand them. Johnson creek ( Illinoise) doesnt have that taste and Ms Ts bakery has no perfume taste is made in Chicago and is very good.
No idea what the perfume taste comes from but I think I will stick to USA made juice.

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

I would love to use this thread to put together a list of places that do not have ANY JUICES that have that underlying perfume taste, and I already knew about Johnson Creek, and I've never tasted it from MyFreedomSmokes juices either.

It's great to hear that Mrs. Ts does not have any of that perfume taste, since that is one of the places I've really been wanting to try. The other is Tasty Vapor, so does anyone know if they have that perfume taste in any of their juices?


So here is the current list...
-Johnson Creek
-MyFreedomSmokes
-Mrs. T's Bakery

If you have any to add, or want to dispute any on the list, please speak up.

 

[lorikay13]

I think one question you could ask any supplier your thinking of buying juice from is rather ALL their ingredients are USA sourced. There is a big difference between made in the USA and sourced in the USA. Made in the USA can and sometimes does mean they get a big order of Dekang,mix some flavors together and put their own label on it. Sourced means every ingredient itself is produced in the USA. Halo is the only company I know of that can say this. But there may be others...thats just the one I know of. However....that doesn't mean you'll like it.

Anyway...I wrote to Linda at Perfumers Apprentice and I will post here whatever she tells me. If she gives her permission I will just post the whole email so I don't paraphrase anything. Hope I can help you all out on this one.

 

[lorikay13]

Piperonal is an aromatic aldehyde that comes as transparent crystals, C8H6O3, and has a floral odor. It is used as flavoring and in perfume. It can be obtained by oxidation of piperonyl alcohol or the reduction of piperic acid. It is also a minor natural component of the extract of vanilla. It is a common in inexpensive synthetic vanilla flavor and candies.

The aroma of piperonal is described as being similar to that of vanillin and cherry. It finds use as a flavoring and in perfume. Piperonal has powerful aromatherapeutic qualities which appear to elevate mood and general well-being, and has shown in tests done by the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York to reduce the anxiety of patients receiving an MRI by as much as 63 percent
Linalool (pronounced /lɪˈnælɵ.ɒl/) is a naturally-occurring terpene alcohol chemical found in many flowers and spice plants with many commercial applications, the majority of which are based on its pleasant scent (floral, with a touch of spiciness). It has other names such as β-linalool, linalyl alcohol, linaloyl oxide, p-linalool, allo-ocimenol and 2,6-dimethyl-2,7-octadien-6-ol. Linalool is used as a scent in 60-80% of perfumed hygiene products and cleaning agents including soaps, detergents, shampoos, and lotions.[1] It is also used as a chemical intermediate. One common downstream product of linalool is Vitamin E. Additionally, linalool is used by pest professionals as a flea and cockroach insecticide.
Akio Nakamura together with colleagues from the University of Tokyo and T. Hasegawa Co., Ltd in Kawasaki, Japan, claim to have demonstrated that inhaling linalool can reduce stress in lab rats. In a study published in The Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry [2] , they exposed the animals to stressful conditions and found that those inhaling linalool saw their stress-elevated levels of neutrophils and lymphocytes fall to near-normal levels compared with the controls. Inhaling linalool also reduced the activity of more than 100 genes that "go into overdrive" in stressful situations. The findings could form the basis of new blood tests for identifying fragrances that can soothe stress, the researchers claim [3].
2,5-DIMETHYL PYRAZINE
APPLICATION INFORMATION
Odor Description: A cocoa, roasted nut, roast beef, woody odor.
Fragrance Use: Could be used very sparingly in appropriate applications.
Flavor Use: Used in potato, beer and chicken flavors as well as those needing fried notes.

2-ACETYLPYRAZINE
Pyrazine, hygroscopic white solid, is an aromatic nitrogen compound characterized by a ring structure contains 4 carbon atoms with two nitrogen atoms at 1 and 4 positions (paradiazine); melting at 55 - 56 C, boiling at 115 - 116 C. Pyrazine is freely soluble in water. It is fused to form many polycyclic compounds, as useful structures in pharmaceuticals and perfumes. It is a component of the folates (vitamin B compounds) and of the isoalloxazine ring nucleus of flavins. Numerous pyrazine derivatives such as pyrazine polycyclic compounds, alkyl-, alicyclic-, and alkylaryl-substituted compounds, derivatives containing oxygenated functional groups and thio- functional groups in the side-chains are used in biological, drug, flavouring and perfumery industry. 2-Acetylpyrazine is used as a composition of flavouring especially in baked and chocolate properties. Odor Description : bread crust, nutty, popcorn, chocolate

Tabanone
odor type : tobacco
odor strength : medium
odor description¹ :
at 100.00 %. sweet acorn nut skin tobacco spicy

This is the list off my Rose flavored vape....along with of course the ever popular "natural and artificial flavors" which they do no have to disclose due to proprietary recipe reasons. So now I know why this stuff makes me feel so good and why I crave it so! But seriously....I did this to help you all try and identify the chemicals that might be causing this disagreeable taste...my bet is on Linalool or Piperonal used improperly...ie: bad recipe or poorly manufactured. BTW...all this stuff is made in China. So that was the point about finding USA sourced juices.

 

[nicotime]

Thanks for the info lori. I dont think the ACETYLPYRAZINE does it as I am using it now. I think Dekang goes overboard with whatever it is...like a cross between a perfume and a solvent of some sort. I cant take Dekang anymore...makes my stomach queezy every time.

I am finding a lot of the PA's flavors have a perfume taste, but I know stuff can pick up smells and taste like an onion in the fridge...so I dunno.

We need a company to make us straight flavors with no coloring or anything added. I dont think any vaper would care that their cherry juice is not red or their chocolate is not brown as long as the accurate flavor is there.

 

[BARENETTED]

JMHO - I think the vast majority of juices have this problem. I think it comes from the added flavoring. I notice the same taste when I use a flavoring in one of my baking recipes.

 

[kristin]

I only experienced perfume taste with peach flavors. I tried three brands and only Nhaler's didn't have the taste.

However, in going back to the ones that DID have the taste, I tried them again and found that once the atty got "seasoned" after a lot use with it & keeping it wet, the perfumy effect wasn't bad at all and I was able to use the rest of it up.

Just as an aside, I've tried Nhaler's Peanut Butter, Chocolate Chip Mint, French Vanilla Coffee, among others and never tasted that perfume taste.

 

[nicotime]

JMHO - I think the vast majority of juices have this problem. I think it comes from the added flavoring. I notice the same taste when I use a flavoring in one of my baking recipes.

Yeah...artificial is artificial...our bodies know the difference. You just have to hope to get it close as possible.

YOU CANT FOOL MOTHER NATURE...RIGHT!

 

[CartHeadMod]

Umm, look at the 599 additives Cigarette manufacturers use and tell me that this isn't an improvement...

it doesn't matter if it's an improvement if it still tastes like crap.....

 

[CartHeadMod]

That last post makes it look like I'm dogin V4L, That is not the case. Their Cola, Doc pepper, Lemon-limeaid, 555, & ClassicCaramelMocha Frappuccino are good and don't have any perfume aroma.

I have to say, I threw away their cola and pink lemonaid because of the strong perfume taste.....

 

[lulubell360]

DC2 thanks for the post. I thought it was just me. I hate hate hate that perfume taste. I have some right now & thought maybe it was just the type of flavor I got but I have several from this company & they are all like that. The company is Viking Vapor, now I don't want to put them down because I've read other people like em alot thats why I tried them. They are Pina Coloda, Cherry Cream Soda, & Cotton Candy. I get strawberry & bannana from ECSI Inc. & love them. I didn't like their 555 though but I believe I just don't like that particular flavor. They are here in the US but I believe they get it shipped to them. Not sure. The only other place I have tried is save a smoker because I can just go a few towns over & walk into the store & purchase it & it is great also (cherry.) Thanks for getting a list going becuase I DO NOT want that perfume type again. Also, I just looked @ the bottles from each of the 3 places & the ingredients are not listed. Would be good to know.

So my 2 goods are:
ECSI.INC
& Save-A-Smoker (haven't ordered online just in person @ the store)

 

[CartHeadMod]

logically, the stronger flavors are going to do a better job of drowning out the perfumy taste than the weaker flavors.....

 

[aschmidy]

I know what you are talking about. I use only VG juices and have run into this horrid taste, too. Doesn't make me happy to dump $50 down the drain!!
I haven't run into it at all with Johnson Creek, Rath, and Ecopure (even the unflavored).

 

[bestthingever]

Although another poster here has stated otherwise, I definitely did get the perfume aftertaste with TV's AFB/Cinnacide juice.

 

[Dudeman]

Although another poster here has stated otherwise, I definitely did get the perfume aftertaste with TV's AFB/Cinnacide juice.

I don't get that at all. No purfume taste to any of the 3 TV liquids I've tried. I think the "not strong after 2 weeks" was in reference to the flavor. I agree with that. I had to cut cinnicide when I first got it, now it's not nearly as good as it was.

The only liquids I've tried that had the purfume taste so far was Dekang tobacco flavors. Most anything else has been american made and had NO perfume taste at all.

 

[JLeigh]

I've tried 5 flavors from TV, and not a one of them had that perfumey taste, and I'm super-sensitive to that. I hate it.

 

[CartHeadMod]

I've tried 5 flavors from TV, and not a one of them had that perfumey taste, and I'm super-sensitive to that. I hate it.

same here......also have not had it with the Nhaler XHale (only thing I've ordered there) or from DIYFlavorshack

 

[phenom5]

I just ran into this with my latest order from V4L.

I've had some really good juice from V4L, but both big bottles (Milk Chocolate & Espresso) have this very strong perfume flavor to them.

Does the trick about opening the bottles up for a day or two really help? That's what I'm trying right now. I've been extremely happy with V4L in the past, but I'm not happy atm.

FWIW, my wife picked up a small bottle of Red Hot from V4L, no flavor at all.

My experience with Viking was just the opposite from lulubell's. No perfume, good flavor. Looking to place another order with Viking today.