What is the max. Nic strength that won't cause Nicotine dependance/Addiction ??
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Yes you are correct. But c'mon man. Doctors will tell me electronic cigarettes will cause me cancer.
I would think any level of nicotine would cause dependance/Addiction, IMO. It is a drug btw. I think vaping should only be used as a stop smoking aid, by former analog/cigar/pipe smokers. I agree with wallie55, any other uses should be discussed with a licensed/authorized person.
Not true.. a Doctor COULD say, "yes, nicotine can help you with OCD and tourette" and prescribe it via gum or patch or something.... If you choose to do it via vaping, thats YOUR choice...
My doctor was thrilled that I switched to vaping and now recommends them to his patients who smoke.
Mine also was okay with it, but did warn me not to be a 24/7 vaporer. Find a level (as minimal as possible to keep me off of the analogs) and stick with it, while continuing to attempt to lower it more...
Nicotine treatment... [Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
And I hope this is not a bannable thread!! I am not the mods favorite poster
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I also have Tourette's (throat ticks in my case), so I can give you a long dissertation on how and why nicotine works if you would like.
The short answer is that there are as many different types of Tourette's as there are people that have it, so what will work for one may or may not work for another.
Basically nicotine can cause an interruption in the premonitory urges that precedes the ticks. For those that don't know what that is; the sensation you get in your nasal passages just before a really good sneeze is a premonitory urge. So imagine that happening 20-30 times in a minute, and you know what Tourette's is like.
As for what nic level it would take to stop the urges ... who knows! For me 12mg e-liquid does not, and 24mg does.
Doctor put me on the patch ..... it did not work! The problem is the delivery of nic from the patch or gum is a steady even flow of nic which has proven to not be an effective way of interrupting the neurological pathway that causes the premonitory urge. A sudden rush of nicotine is affective.
As far as OCD, ADHD, and other like disorders associated with Tourette's, well, just what do you think about when you need to sneeze?!?
As I was a little kid in the 1940's, they just said "he's dyslexic"
The short answer is that there are as many different types of Tourette's as there are people that have it, so what will work for one may or may not work for another.
Basically nicotine can cause an interruption in the premonitory urges that precedes the ticks. For those that don't know what that is; the sensation you get in your nasal passages just before a really good sneeze is a premonitory urge. So imagine that happening 20-30 times in a minute, and you know what Tourette's is like.
As for what nic level it would take to stop the urges ... who knows! For me 12mg e-liquid does not, and 24mg does.
Doctor put me on the patch ..... it did not work! The problem is the delivery of nic from the patch or gum is a steady even flow of nic which has proven to not be an effective way of interrupting the neurological pathway that causes the premonitory urge. A sudden rush of nicotine is affective.
As far as OCD, ADHD, and other like disorders associated with Tourette's, well, just what do you think about when you need to sneeze?!?
As I was a little kid in the 1940's, they just said "he's dyslexic"
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I don’t think a minimum dose has been established for nicotine dependence. Obviously the low nicotine levels from eggplants and tomatoes aren’t sufficient to cause addiction, and the FDA doesn’t have a problem with a nicotine patch that delivers 21 mg nicotine over a 24 hour period.
But I also wonder about the negative connotation associated with the word addiction…If you take a drug to enhance or maintain functioning is that ‘addiction’? Is my ‘addiction’ to coffee in the morning a bad thing?
IMO, addiction used to mean use of a substance in such a way that it interfered with the ability to function. Another hallmark of problematic addiction is increased tolerance- where one needs to take more and more of the substance to maintain functioning. I don’t know about anyone else, but my tolerance for nicotine has decreased over time (from 3ml/day of 24 mg/ml to 3 ml/day of 10mg/ml) .
Yeah, I’m “addicted”. I’ll deal with the label, as long as I get the cognitive enhancement, the potential for protection from Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s diseases, I can get it in a form that has the same low level of carcinogens as the approved pharmaceutical products, and that tastes much better.
But I also wonder about the negative connotation associated with the word addiction…If you take a drug to enhance or maintain functioning is that ‘addiction’? Is my ‘addiction’ to coffee in the morning a bad thing?
IMO, addiction used to mean use of a substance in such a way that it interfered with the ability to function. Another hallmark of problematic addiction is increased tolerance- where one needs to take more and more of the substance to maintain functioning. I don’t know about anyone else, but my tolerance for nicotine has decreased over time (from 3ml/day of 24 mg/ml to 3 ml/day of 10mg/ml) .
Yeah, I’m “addicted”. I’ll deal with the label, as long as I get the cognitive enhancement, the potential for protection from Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s diseases, I can get it in a form that has the same low level of carcinogens as the approved pharmaceutical products, and that tastes much better.
I'm willing to bet good money that, after you've completed your survey/study, you'll find any percieved benefits do not outweigh the risk of addiction.
The irony is that the most common addictive substance on earth is sugar, and sugar leads to obesity, heart conditions and strokes, and diabetes. Probably costing our health systems ten times what smoking ever has.
Have you tried to buy a box of breakfast cereal lately without sugar in it?
Ya know, a glass of watter is free, you really don't need to buy that coke ...... but I bet you will.
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The bottom line is we really don't know how addictive nicotine is when isolated from tobacco.
So you pays your money and you takes your chances.
But it is quite possible, if not probable, that nicotine may not be as addictive as we have been led to believe...
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And there is tons of anecdotal evidence on this forum that back that up as well...
There are all the reports of people reducing their nicotine over time with relative ease.
And there are many reports from people who find they can go longer without vaping than they ever could without smoking.
And finally there are reports from those who started using nicotine for medical reasons and find they have to remind themselves to vape.
So you pays your money and you takes your chances.
But it is quite possible, if not probable, that nicotine may not be as addictive as we have been led to believe...
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And there is tons of anecdotal evidence on this forum that back that up as well...
There are all the reports of people reducing their nicotine over time with relative ease.
And there are many reports from people who find they can go longer without vaping than they ever could without smoking.
And finally there are reports from those who started using nicotine for medical reasons and find they have to remind themselves to vape.
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Whatever the number is, it's going to differ by person, both physically and mentally
I do know that personally at 12-18mg, I often forget to vape for 3-4 hours at a time when I'm busy. I know I never went that long without stopping for a smoke.
I do know that personally at 12-18mg, I often forget to vape for 3-4 hours at a time when I'm busy. I know I never went that long without stopping for a smoke.
For the OP, coutn your blessing as it is. And the strength has absolutely nothing to do with it. If you are taking any addictive substance in over a period of time, you will develop a dependancy. As far as treating your Mental handicaps. Definitely go straight to a Mental Health Physician and look into it. But I can tell you, my brother has both those conditions and more. And the ONLY recommended things for him are prescription drugs. Definitely not a good idea to be stimulating your brain more I dont think, it is already working overtime with your conditions!
Best of luck, stick to no nicotine please. And be responsible for yourself, and your family. Why form an addiction when you can choose to or not.
Best of luck, stick to no nicotine please. And be responsible for yourself, and your family. Why form an addiction when you can choose to or not.
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