What is wrong with you?

[k702]

I've always seen it as a big joke to be honest. I've never wanted to be sitting next to someone blowing clouds while I'm in my favorite restaurant trying to enjoy a meal. I think back to my high school days when, yes it was technically illegal for me to smoke, but as long as I didn't blow smoke in anyone's face I always seemed to get away with it. There may be a similar concept here. I could be wrong, but how in the heck is anyone going to control what I do in my car, outside, in the bathroom, or anywhere people aren't affected by what I do? And why do people want to vape in public? I think its obnoxious. If you cant light a cig up, why would it be ok to hit your ecig?

I get your concern, and I have mine as well. I just think there are two sides to this, and may be it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we put some regulation on where people vape...

Thoughts?

I wish I could dislike a post......

You let the government get one greedy grubby little finger in and thats all she wrote, only a matter of time afterwards before a bottle of juice is either 40 bucks or not allowed then you get Cartridges for 10 bucks a pop..

 

[neutrontech]

I've always seen it as a big joke to be honest. I've never wanted to be sitting next to someone blowing clouds while I'm in my favorite restaurant trying to enjoy a meal. I think back to my high school days when, yes it was technically illegal for me to smoke, but as long as I didn't blow smoke in anyone's face I always seemed to get away with it. There may be a similar concept here. I could be wrong, but how in the heck is anyone going to control what I do in my car, outside, in the bathroom, or anywhere people aren't affected by what I do? And why do people want to vape in public? I think its obnoxious. If you cant light a cig up, why would it be ok to hit your ecig?

I get your concern, and I have mine as well. I just think there are two sides to this, and may be it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we put some regulation on where people vape...

Thoughts?

Problem is 'give an inch take a mile'. The government has proven time and time again that they can't be trusted with regulatory powers. We can regulate ourselves, I don't need the government telling what I can and cannot do and where.

I don't mind certain restrictions but I know the long term consequences of giving the government the power to set those restrictions.

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[xanderxman]

The problem is too many people like to come on a forum and complain about the Government and all the legislation they are passing but they do nothing to stop it or fight it. Everyone that vapes in secret because it may be offensive to others around apparently forgot what it was like to be a smoker. We would stop just outside the door of a restaurant and finish that cig, even though families, with children!, would have to walk through the cloud of smoke. We smelled like a wet ashtray all the time and I am pretty sure the person at the table next to you didn't enjoy your aroma.

My plan if vaping is hit hard by nicotine liquid taxes or banning is to buy bottles of 100% VG and vape it in WalMart like a champ. I will be blowing clouds of something that contains no nicotine. Let someone try to stop me. It is about time for people in the US to stand up and say ENOUGH!!!!!! Until we do the politicians and lobbyists are going to take away everything we hold dear for the sake of money.

I am all for public vaping. Huge clouds are NOT the issue. The real issue is money and us poor vapers do not have enough to make a difference in the fight. All we have is our ability to stand up and tell the Government to leave us alone. Every vaper that says we should hide in a closet to vape is giving too much ground to the other side. We need to make it seen and known. The ANTZ aren't hiding and they are doing a damn fine job of making vaping disappear. Maybe we are all missing the point? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, after all.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

The government will continue with the ridiculously draconian bans and regulations until they can get their hands on a piece of the pie. It's the money. They want their share like they get with cigarettes. Vaping in a restaurant isn't changing the amount of money on the table, waiting to be grabbed. I joined CASAA, I write and call my representatives. I went to the council meetings in NYC. I still think the guy blowing subohm clouds in a crowded enclosed space is being a you know what and I reserve my right to think it. Doesn't mean I won't stand next to him and vote the way he votes. What bothers me is that guys like that don't seem to want my help. THEY don't want me standing next to them, fighting for the right to vape at the next council meeting. Won't stop me, granted, but I imagine it may be stopping others. At least around here. It seems like fighting this fight has become an exclusive club in some circles.

 

[wv2win]

I for one have no idea how to help. I don't have enough extra money to donate to the cause. Other than go protest when a law in my area comes up I really don't know what to do to help. CASAA basically just ask you to donate and alert them to laws in your area. I can't donate so all I can do is fight my local laws.

How much do you spend in a month on vaping? It would be hard for me to believe that every active member on ECF could not spare $1 a month or $12 a year to give to CASAA. I believe there are about 7000 active ECF members. At $12 a year that would come to $84,000. CASAA would be overjoyed with that level of support which would be about a 500% increase over their current support.

 

[xanderxman]

How much do you spend in a month on vaping? It would be hard for me to believe that every active member on ECF could not spare $1 a month or $12 a year to give to CASAA. I believe there are about 7000 active ECF members. At $12 a year that would come to $84,000. CASAA would be overjoyed with that level of support which would be about a 500% increase over their current support.

I have a vaping habit, a wife, two kids, three cars, a mortgage, insurance, etc. and I still find it in my budget to donate yearly to CASAA. I donate at least $100 each year. I can simply skip that lunch at Taco Bell a few times a year and have enough to make a donation. You gotta want to help to make it happen.

 

[wv2win]

So if I were to pick just one to donate to, which is the better choice? ECF or CASAA?

That's a no-brainer: CASAA. ECF has a number of ways to garner revenue. CASAA is in the trenches testifying before elected officials, funding studies and generating awareness of the benefits and safety of vaping. Not that ECF is not an important part of the vaping environment but CASAA is actively fighting to get vaping from being banned.

 

[pamdis]

First they took away my right to vape indoors in government buildings, and I didn't say anything because I don't visit them often.

Then they took away my right to vape indoors in restaurants, and I didn't say anything because it sounded reasonable.

Then they took away my right to vape in the workplace, and I didn't say anything because I work from home.

Then they took away my right to buy e-cigs if I'm under 18, and I didn't say anything because I'm over 18, and it sounded reasonable, and surely they will stop regulating now.

Then they took away my right to vape in multi-unit housing, and I didn't say anything because I own a single family home.

Then they took away my right to vape outdoors, and I didn't say anything because I know how to stealth vape.

Then they took away my right to vape in my car with minors presents, and I didn't say anything because my children are old enough to drive themselves around now.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid without a childproof cap, and I didn't say anything because I have an adult child who can transfer my e-liquids for me into bottles my arthritic hands can use.

Then they took away my right to buy my favorite e-liquid without any special labeling requirements and my local B&M's supplier refused to comply, so he can't carry it, but I didn't say anything because I can buy direct on-line.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid at a reasonable price by taxing it to make it more expensive than cigarettes, and I didn't say anything because I switched to DIY and have several years untaxed nic supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy online, and I didn't say anything because I still have that big supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy any e-liquid at all, and I screamed because my nic supply ran out and I CAN'T GET ANYMORE! And I just found out my 18 year old has been smoking behind my back for four years, because he wasn't allowed to buy e-liquid but could always get cigarettes much easier, and I can't help him switch because I CAN'T GET ANYMORE!

But no one else cared because they had all returned to smoking.

 

[wv2win]

I have a vaping habit, a wife, two kids, three cars, a mortgage, insurance, etc. and I still find it in my budget to donate yearly to CASAA. I donate at least $100 each year. I can simply skip that lunch at Taco Bell a few times a year and have enough to make a donation. You gotta want to help to make it happen.

My point exactly. I donate a small amount every month through PayPal. It doesn't have to be much if all of us would just do a little.

 

[Heavyrocker]

There will be a huge black market for nicotine juice soon,mark my words and tons of cash being made by the ''cartels.""

 

[wv2win]

First they took away my right to vape indoors in government buildings, and I didn't say anything because I don't visit them often.

Then they took away my right to vape indoors in restaurants, and I didn't say anything because it sounded reasonable.

Then they took away my right to vape in the workplace, and I didn't say anything because I work from home.

Then they took away my right to buy e-cigs if I'm under 18, and I didn't say anything because I'm over 18, and it sounded reasonable, and surely they will stop regulating now.

Then they took away my right to vape in multi-unit housing, and I didn't say anything because I own a single family home.

Then they took away my right to vape outdoors, and I didn't say anything because I know how to stealth vape.

Then they took away my right to vape in my car with minors presents, and I didn't say anything because my children are old enough to drive themselves around now.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid without a childproof cap, and I didn't say anything because I have an adult child who can transfer my e-liquids for me into bottles my arthritic hands can use.

Then they took away my right to buy my favorite e-liquid without any special labeling requirements and my local B&M's supplier refused to comply, so he can't carry it, but I didn't say anything because I can buy direct on-line.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid at a reasonable price by taxing it to make it more expensive than cigarettes, and I didn't say anything because I switched to DIY and have several years untaxed nic supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy online, and I didn't say anything because I still have that big supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy any e-liquid at all, and I screamed because my nic supply ran out and I CAN'T GET ANYMORE! And I just found out my 18 year old has been smoking behind my back for four years, because he wasn't allowed to buy e-liquid but could always get cigarettes much easier, and I can't help him switch because I CAN'T GET ANYMORE!

But no one else cared because they had all returned to smoking.

Priceless and so possible. It's too bad there seems to be a growing number of "sheep" who also vape.

 

[xanderxman]

First they took away my right to vape indoors in government buildings, and I didn't say anything because I don't visit them often.

Then they took away my right to vape indoors in restaurants, and I didn't say anything because it sounded reasonable.

Then they took away my right to vape in the workplace, and I didn't say anything because I work from home.

Then they took away my right to buy e-cigs if I'm under 18, and I didn't say anything because I'm over 18, and it sounded reasonable, and surely they will stop regulating now.

Then they took away my right to vape in multi-unit housing, and I didn't say anything because I own a single family home.

Then they took away my right to vape outdoors, and I didn't say anything because I know how to stealth vape.

Then they took away my right to vape in my car with minors presents, and I didn't say anything because my children are old enough to drive themselves around now.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid without a childproof cap, and I didn't say anything because I have an adult child who can transfer my e-liquids for me into bottles my arthritic hands can use.

Then they took away my right to buy my favorite e-liquid without any special labeling requirements and my local B&M's supplier refused to comply, so he can't carry it, but I didn't say anything because I can buy direct on-line.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid at a reasonable price by taxing it to make it more expensive than cigarettes, and I didn't say anything because I switched to DIY and have several years untaxed nic supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy online, and I didn't say anything because I still have that big supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy any e-liquid at all, and I screamed because my nic supply ran out and I CAN'T GET ANYMORE! And I just found out my 18 year old has been smoking behind my back for four years, because he wasn't allowed to buy e-liquid but could always get cigarettes much easier, and I can't help him switch because I CAN'T GET ANYMORE!

But no one else cared because they had all returned to smoking.

THIS!!!!!!!!! We all need to wake up and take up for ourselves. A bunch of closet vapers that are afraid to offend the general public ain't gonna cut it. We need to make vaping mainstream and the only way to do that is to do it publicly but with respect. I don't advocate blowing clouds in the face of people in a movie theater but also don't advocate vaping in a closet for fear of offending anyone. We need to find the middle ground and that will only be found by people willing to vape in public.

 

[Bolivar]

What bothers me is that guys like that don't seem to want my help. THEY don't want me standing next to them, fighting for the right to vape at the next council meeting.

Those are the guys that will whine the loudest when the bottle that cost them $15 last month costs $40 dollars this month, and the difference is all tax. And at that point, it's too late to do anything about it.

The tax sharks already smell blood in the water and are circling. The next move is up to us...pro action or reaction. Your choice.





Sent from the north 40 via soon to be outlawed or taxed to death messenger cow

 

[Flt Simulation]

I was in a bar about 3 days ago and vaping while drinking beer up at the bar.

I know for a fact that it's ok for me to vape in this bar.

Then the female bartender comes up to me and says "Your vape smells like breakfast" ... I say nicely ... "Just makes you want to go to IHop and get some pancakes, now don't it".

5 minutes later she comes back over to me and tells me from across the bar ... "Your vapor is giving me a headache".

You just can't win! .... I went outside in the smoking area in the rear of the bar and finished my beer, then paid and left.

Bunch of Bull [MODERATED] !

 

[Bolivar]

First they took away my right to vape indoors in government buildings, and I didn't say anything because I don't visit them often.

Then they took away my right to vape indoors in restaurants, and I didn't say anything because it sounded reasonable.

Then they took away my right to vape in the workplace, and I didn't say anything because I work from home.

Then they took away my right to buy e-cigs if I'm under 18, and I didn't say anything because I'm over 18, and it sounded reasonable, and surely they will stop regulating now.

Then they took away my right to vape in multi-unit housing, and I didn't say anything because I own a single family home.

Then they took away my right to vape outdoors, and I didn't say anything because I know how to stealth vape.

Then they took away my right to vape in my car with minors presents, and I didn't say anything because my children are old enough to drive themselves around now.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid without a childproof cap, and I didn't say anything because I have an adult child who can transfer my e-liquids for me into bottles my arthritic hands can use.

Then they took away my right to buy my favorite e-liquid without any special labeling requirements and my local B&M's supplier refused to comply, so he can't carry it, but I didn't say anything because I can buy direct on-line.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid at a reasonable price by taxing it to make it more expensive than cigarettes, and I didn't say anything because I switched to DIY and have several years untaxed nic supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy online, and I didn't say anything because I still have that big supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy any e-liquid at all, and I screamed because my nic supply ran out and I CAN'T GET ANYMORE! And I just found out my 18 year old has been smoking behind my back for four years, because he wasn't allowed to buy e-liquid but could always get cigarettes much easier, and I can't help him switch because I CAN'T GET ANYMORE!

But no one else cared because they had all returned to smoking.

^^^^ Maybe the best thing I have ever read on this forum.


* tips hat*

 

[xanderxman]

I was in a bar about 3 days ago and vaping while drinking beer up at the bar.

I know for a fact that it's ok for me to vape in this bar.

Then the female bartender comes up to me and says "Your vape smells like breakfast" ... I say nicely ... "Just makes you want to go to IHop and get some pancakes, now don't it".

5 minutes later she comes back over to me and tells me from across the bar ... "Your vapor is giving me a headache".

You just can't win! .... I went outside in the smoking area in the rear of the bar and finished my beer, then paid and left.

Bunch of Bull [MODERATED] !

I would have finished my beer, while vaping, and ordered another. If it was OK for you to vape in the bar then why leave?

 

[pamdis]

THIS!!!!!!!!! We all need to wake up and take up for ourselves. A bunch of closet vapers that are afraid to offend the general public ain't gonna cut it. We need to make vaping mainstream and the only way to do that is to do it publicly but with respect. I don't advocate blowing clouds in the face of people in a movie theater but also don't advocate vaping in a closet for fear of offending anyone. We need to find the middle ground and that will only be found by people willing to vape in public.

And by a combination of informing the public that it's not so scary AND fighting every legislation and regulation that tries to make it seem so.

I have noticed a turn in comments on articles, where there used to be a lot of non-vapers commenting that the ban/law/regulation was a good idea, because, you know, it's still smoking and still polluting my air, and it's stiil nicotine, and it's still just as dangerous, they seem to have tapered off a lot and see more of them now saying, "well, I'm not a smoker, but it doesn't seem like vaping is that bad."

But we have a long way to go.

 

[Bolivar]

I was in a bar about 3 days ago and vaping while drinking beer up at the bar.

I know for a fact that it's ok for me to vape in this bar.

Then the female bartender comes up to me and says "Your vape smells like breakfast" ... I say nicely ... "Just makes you want to go to IHop and get some pancakes, now don't it".

5 minutes later she comes back over to me and tells me from across the bar ... "Your vapor is giving me a headache".

You just can't win! .... I went outside in the smoking area in the rear of the bar and finished my beer, then paid and left.

Bunch of Bull [MODERATED] !

" that's OK darlin, your perfume is doing the same thing to me"

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

I've been to many of the vapor stores in the area and I'm surprised that only one out of 10 that I've visited never heard of ECF or CASAA either. None of these stores really seem to be interested in anyone's right to vape.

Only if they're hauling in the money. I'd be more interested in supporting the B&M's that support CASAA.

It seemed worth mentioning that, anyway.

 

[xanderxman]

" that's OK darlin, your perfume is doing the same thing to me"

I went to get yet another tattoo last weekend. I was sitting on the couch waiting to get inked and a woman came into the shop and I could immediately smell an overpowering odor of some nasty perfume. I fail to see why someone's preference of scent should be forced upon me without my consent. What if it contains things my children shouldn't inhale?!?!?

Every closet vaper on this forum that wears perfume or cologne should think about the children before dousing themselves in their favorite scent. Maybe I think you smell like crap and who knows what chemicals I may be inhaling just so you can smell "good".