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[DC2]

Other things you can do to help CASAA fight: How You Can Help

The CASAA Vendor Display Kit mentioned is now available, but it sold out in 24 hours! We have 200 more on the way.

That's far better than the letter I wanted to send out to vendors.

And perhaps even better than the cards I have been distributing...
CASAA E-cigarette Information Cards

Good stuff there!!

 

[Anjaffm]

First they took away my right to vape indoors in government buildings, and I didn't say anything because I don't visit them often.

Then they took away my right to vape indoors in restaurants, and I didn't say anything because it sounded reasonable.

Then they took away my right to vape in the workplace, and I didn't say anything because I work from home.

Then they took away my right to buy e-cigs if I'm under 18, and I didn't say anything because I'm over 18, and it sounded reasonable, and surely they will stop regulating now.

Then they took away my right to vape in multi-unit housing, and I didn't say anything because I own a single family home.

Then they took away my right to vape outdoors, and I didn't say anything because I know how to stealth vape.

Then they took away my right to vape in my car with minors presents, and I didn't say anything because my children are old enough to drive themselves around now.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid without a childproof cap, and I didn't say anything because I have an adult child who can transfer my e-liquids for me into bottles my arthritic hands can use.

Then they took away my right to buy my favorite e-liquid without any special labeling requirements and my local B&M's supplier refused to comply, so he can't carry it, but I didn't say anything because I can buy direct on-line.

Then they took away my right to buy e-liquid at a reasonable price by taxing it to make it more expensive than cigarettes, and I didn't say anything because I switched to DIY and have several years untaxed nic supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy online, and I didn't say anything because I still have that big supply in the freezer.

Then they took away my right to buy any e-liquid at all, and I screamed because my nic supply ran out and I CAN'T GET ANYMORE! And I just found out my 18 year old has been smoking behind my back for four years, because he wasn't allowed to buy e-liquid but could always get cigarettes much easier, and I can't help him switch because I CAN'T GET ANYMORE!

But no one else cared because they had all returned to smoking.

Exellent! Thank you very much!
I wish I could "like" this 50 times!

 

[msrfrog]

Yes, I am a little concerned with what might be the final outcome to the e-cig industry ... But I am just as worried about what the government is going to do with people (like myself) that own one of these:

Or one of these:

Basically, I am fighting two battles right now ... The E-cigs and the semi-auto guns!

Me to, how about the tracking bracelet bs? Unconstitutional for felons and sex offenders. But law abiding gun owners

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[leerm8680]

One alone is weak. With numbers we may have some strength.

One alone is weak.With numbers we may have some strength.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I have lived there - worked there - and I still pay taxes on the tiny bit of land the State of NY stole the rest of from me a couple of decades ago not too far from Albany in an area that used to be called Pine Woody.

I'm going to disagree with your assessment of NY liberalism not equating to fascism and socialism. And, I think I'm going to go ahead and assume you are a lot younger than I am. Once upon a time, the good people of NY were free but now have been oppressed so long that many don't even remember what freedom was like. Come out West to a Red State like ND, SD, MT, or WY for a year or two. After you have enjoyed being able to keep what you own and keep a lot more of what you earn, you might not think it's so bad. When the government mostly keeps its nose out of your personal business and doesn't require you to pay them for the privilege of being taxed by them and your kids get to enjoy a quality education and you get to help decide how much of your taxes are necessary for that education and even get a say in how the money is spent...



Your concern over anyone owning women is not evident here. The women I know are strong and independent. In fact, those two qualities are what I found so irresistible about my wife. She did a good job of passing those qualities to my daughter. My sisters are much the same... my mother certainly was... my aunts... Yeah. That's right. Men in Red States have moms - wives - daughters - aunts - sisters... We respect them and love them. No one is trying to own women.

Some of us are, however, trying to make sure the nanny-state agenda doesn't get a strong foothold in the places we call home. So, when the day comes some liberal fool tries to tell me I can't have my e-juice, I plan to be prepared to fight him. Soap box, ballot box, the court house, the websites I write for, local and state media, ... heck. I'll give them whatever fight they ask for.

" We shall fight on beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender..." --Winston Churchill 06/04/1940

You missed my point. I was saying that I know most people in conservative state likely DO love their women. That extremism is not the norm, anywhere. And extremism is not the norm in NY either. Politicians perhaps are, because the extremists are the ones most likely to make it into the voting booth. They therefore cater to them. America is by and large fairly at the center of the spectrum, but average Americans also don't go to the voting booths as much as any political extremist. Hence extremist laws that cater to those who DO make it to the voting booths. My point was, sane people need to make it a point to get out there, no matter which extreme their state is leaning towards. Also, are we really going to pretend that there is no extremist element on the conservative side?

 

[shelzmike]

It's largely because too many people in our respective cultures (not just any specific country) lack courage of conviction and moral fiber.

+1000 this, I am afraid (if we do not start stepping up ourselves and just as importantly teach our kids) this will be the fall of man to government. No doubt about it.

 

[shelzmike]

Your not ....

While you have made some awesome points here and I am not sure if I am taking this out of context, but I think that this statement is one of the problems. Who says you are not going to change what is being heralded in the media...a positive, hopeful, and determined attitude can accomplish anything with enough people on board, I mean heck, look at the Arab spring in the middle east...did this happen bc people didn't think anything could be done? Quite the opposite really. Perhaps a better response would have been "You're not...unless you are determined and focus and are tenacious..."

I for one have no idea how to help. I don't have enough extra money to donate to the cause. Other than go protest when a law in my area comes up I really don't know what to do to help. CASAA basically just ask you to donate and alert them to laws in your area. I can't donate so all I can do is fight my local laws.

Plenty of things to do - for starters, write every representative and elected official in your locality, state, etc. If you are really dedicated and have the time, make a form letter for each rep in your area and make it to where you can hand it to everyone you know and is willing so they can just sign it and send it off (email is probably cheaper tho). Additionally, another thing you can do is evangelize! A place that I work is in the same building as a tobacco store and I sometimes stand outside or sit in the car - just for a change of scenery and watch all the smokers go in and out while I am puffing on my PV and I just thought yesterday...why not go up to them, show them the PV, and talk about it...not a long conversation...not in a weird way...but if anything pique their interest. We need NUMBERS people. That is gonna happen by chance but I am not sure of many people who started vaping who was not influenced by someone they know who was doing it. I absolutely plan on doing this whenever I get the chance.

There are SO many things that can be done without any money at all. Print out the CASAA flyers (the free ones) and take them to any local B&Ms an community bulletin boards. Any little help is still help.

 

[bluecat]

Seriously?

With a reply like that, I think it would be more valid to question your intentions than mine.
So what are your intentions? What are your thoughts?

Are you onboard with Stevegmu in the seeming belief that no one should care at this time?
That we haven't been fully screwed yet, so we should shut up and wait until we are?

By the way, I've already been screwed, in that my insurance at work has gone up $50 per month.
Simply because I use nicotine.

And this has been done by people who probably drink a pot of coffee per day.

Be glad you are not on the Obamacare Exchange.. could have gone up 50%.

 

[Pictor]

Exellent! Thank you very much!
I wish I could "like" this 50 times!

Couldn't agree more! There's a chilling sense of déjà vu in that!

 

[six]

Also, are we really going to pretend that there is no extremist element on the conservative side?

I suppose I could have forgone the typing and simply stated that the "war on women" nonsense you've been fed does indeed exist... but is being perpetrated by those who fed it to you and not by those whom they accuse.

Those who continue to profit from the constant barrage of cries of racism, sexism, classism, and all of the other "-ism's" are the very people trying to control your behavior and mine because they don't like it. Those profiting from divisiveness are in fact the very people promoting said divisiveness so they can continue to profit from it. It's a strange world. In fact, it is so strange that you believe some Christian Conservative somewhere wants to make you property, when in fact, it is the liberal progressive who wants to treat you as an object. I find that not just strange, but quite frankly, a little bit unsettling.

My only advice remains the same as it has since earlier in this thread: Recognize who it is that wants to regulate or ban behaviors (including, but not limited to vaping). Explore their motives. Explore their affiliations. Have a long hard look at their supporters. If it turns out you or someone you know is supporting them one way or another, put limits on your support. Encourage *them* to change *their* behavior in regards to their attempts to change yours.

 

[klynnn]

There is nothing wrong with me. I am happily vaping away and will for quite some time. Seems the rest of the world has a big problem. I hope they can solve it.

 

[CKCalmer]

I for one have no idea how to help. I don't have enough extra money to donate to the cause. Other than go protest when a law in my area comes up I really don't know what to do to help. CASAA basically just ask you to donate and alert them to laws in your area. I can't donate so all I can do is fight my local laws.

Money isn't the only thing you can donate to help CASAA.

I'm not exactly flush with coin, myself, but this week I'm sending them 6 bottles of MBV e-juices that I'm not going to use. My man Flavored and his brethren use such donations as free gifts for new people who join CASAA.

more incentive for people to join = higher CASAA membership = increased advocacy effectiveness​