I'm just wondering if anyone has any research (or guesses) on what strength e-liquid is roughly equiv to a cig? If I fill up with 16Mg and take one "normal" puff off the vape, is that about the same as taking one normal puff off a regular strength cig? If I wanted to get the same feeling from vaping per puff that I got from a cig, what strength juice do you all find is roughly in the same level?
What strength e-juice is a cig equiv?
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Many variables in that equation. What kind of cigarette did you normally smoke? Other variable are what PV your using, voltage? reistance of the cartomizer/atomizer? How long you drag/puff on the ecig?
Your best bet would be to just try out the 16mg or whatever you have (order small bottles to start) then go from there. E-cigs are less of a definite science and more trial and error. It will take a bit of experimentation to get it just right. But thats half the fun
But you have a good starting point, it seems most people start off somewhere arounf 16-24 MG. You well probably also notice that you'll be vaping more often then you "smoked" do to the fact that its more enjoyable and not as restrictive on the places you can do it.
Your best bet would be to just try out the 16mg or whatever you have (order small bottles to start) then go from there. E-cigs are less of a definite science and more trial and error. It will take a bit of experimentation to get it just right. But thats half the fun
But you have a good starting point, it seems most people start off somewhere arounf 16-24 MG. You well probably also notice that you'll be vaping more often then you "smoked" do to the fact that its more enjoyable and not as restrictive on the places you can do it.
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That would be nice wouldn't it. Unfortunately it's not like that. For one thing you don'y absorb the nicotine when vaping as well or as fast as you do when smoking. I'm beginning to think, with very little evidence, that the amount and speed you absorb it varies from person to person. Also along with that nicotine, you are getting about 4000 other compounds in a cigarette. Those can and do interact with the nicotine. In addition, the way you react to the withdrawal of those other compounds is hard to predict.
Most people on here will recommend starting with 18 to 24mg juice. Then you'll see them recommend having some lower nic juice around too. The reason for that is that it's fairly common to start out at high nic and be fine. Then a few days later, you find you're getting too much nicotine and have to lower it. I started at 24 moved to 18 then moved to 12. I still keep some 24 around because I do sometimes find I need more for crave times. On this one everyone's different. You'll need to get small bottles in a variety of nic levels and flavors. You can only get ther by trial and error.
Check out MistressNomad's excellent videos. There's a sticky at the top of this forum.
Most people on here will recommend starting with 18 to 24mg juice. Then you'll see them recommend having some lower nic juice around too. The reason for that is that it's fairly common to start out at high nic and be fine. Then a few days later, you find you're getting too much nicotine and have to lower it. I started at 24 moved to 18 then moved to 12. I still keep some 24 around because I do sometimes find I need more for crave times. On this one everyone's different. You'll need to get small bottles in a variety of nic levels and flavors. You can only get ther by trial and error.
Check out MistressNomad's excellent videos. There's a sticky at the top of this forum.
Many people can start on these levels, some need higher, some need lower (depends on their equipment and other factors)
full strength smoker -> 24mg
lights smoker -> 16-18mg
ultralights smoker -> 10-12mg
But no - you are probably not going to any "feeling per puff" - a drag isn't going to give you a buzz. Cigarettes are burning leaves and paper and 4000 chemicals and you are inhaling carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. Ecigarettes you are mainly inhaling oxygen with nicotine and flavoring.
It will satisfy your craving for nicotine. Then you try lots of juices to find ones with aromas that relax you. In the beginning that might be one with an aroma similar to your fave smokes. For some it's a coffee aroma. Etc.
full strength smoker -> 24mg
lights smoker -> 16-18mg
ultralights smoker -> 10-12mg
But no - you are probably not going to any "feeling per puff" - a drag isn't going to give you a buzz. Cigarettes are burning leaves and paper and 4000 chemicals and you are inhaling carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. Ecigarettes you are mainly inhaling oxygen with nicotine and flavoring.
It will satisfy your craving for nicotine. Then you try lots of juices to find ones with aromas that relax you. In the beginning that might be one with an aroma similar to your fave smokes. For some it's a coffee aroma. Etc.
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I was a pack a day Camel Ultra smoker and was very satisfied with 18 mg. I bought some pre-filled 12 mg cartos later in the week but they didn't have the punch of the 18 mg ones. Then a couple of days ago I got my first USB pass-through and Oh Boy! I was getting a head rush from the 18's!
I heard... that a puff on an 'average' pv, is roughly 10% of a puff from an 'average' analog.
Now I cannot remember where I read this, but it was in a few places and seemed generally accepted. But feel free to correct me if anyone knows better than this
Now I cannot remember where I read this, but it was in a few places and seemed generally accepted. But feel free to correct me if anyone knows better than this
I was a PAD smoker of Marlboro 100's and I find that the 16mg that came with my PV wasn't enough. I still had urges. I tried a juice with 24mg and that works for me. Dormouse is right, you won't get that buzz on the morning drag but it does creep up on you instead. It's more of a gradual affect than a head rush affect from analogs. When you get to the level were your not glued to the PV and don't even think of picking up an analog you've reached your level.
I have to agree that there is no easy way to determine this other than trial and error. I started on 14mg and did perfectly fine with no cigarettes. I fell off the wagon for awhile and started smoking again. When I went back to ecigs (I only smoked for about 2 months before switching) the 14mg just wasn't cutting it. I ordered 18mg and 24mg. This is still a pretty new adjustment and I haven't even tried the higher nic levels because I'm letting the juices steep. I hope they work to stave off my cravings!! Just wanted to say that even though I found a good mg amount I'm having to adjust to a higher level. So good luck finding what works for you!
It also depends on how you end up vaping. Unconstrained by the size of a cigarette you can stop early or vape longer. Someone who can pick up their PV and take drags frequently might not need as much nicotine as someone who gets a 10 minute smoking break every 3 hours.
If you get a nicotine headache, rapid or irregular heartbeat, feel crappy or lightheaded, then you are getting too much nicotine. if you feel unsatisfied or may or may not be the nicotine. You may need more TH or different juices with aromas that relax and satisfy you.
If you get a nicotine headache, rapid or irregular heartbeat, feel crappy or lightheaded, then you are getting too much nicotine. if you feel unsatisfied or may or may not be the nicotine. You may need more TH or different juices with aromas that relax and satisfy you.
Great question. I think it has more to due with the machine than the liquid. I'm not saying the liquid isn't important, it is, but the key is getting a throat hit as close to a cigarette as possible. There is a world of difference between 3.7 volts and 5.2 volts. I think that variable volt PV's should be in everyone's arsenal because now you aren't stuck to just one level. When I used a 510and liquid didn't work for me it went to the back of the drawer. With a variable volt I was able to adjust the strength and those back of the drawer liquids worked just fine. Just my two cents.
Some studies have shown we may be absorbing as little as 10% of the nicotine from vaping.
And some here find flaws in those studies and think they may be getting as much as 40% of the nicotine from vaping.
So, for example...
Let's say you're using 18mg strength liquid, which is 18mg of nicotine per milliliter.
If using 3ml per day of 18mg strength liquid, you would theoretically be getting 54mg per day assuming 100% absorption.
But taking absorption rates into account you will only be getting anywhere from 5.4mg to 21.6mg of nicotine per day.
And that would equal anywhere from about 5 to 43 cigarettes.
Because the amount of nicotine absorbed from real cigarettes is anywhere from 0.5mg to 1.1mg, and some are even more.
So really it all depends on which cigarettes we are talking about, and how much we really absorb from vaping.
And some here find flaws in those studies and think they may be getting as much as 40% of the nicotine from vaping.
So, for example...
Let's say you're using 18mg strength liquid, which is 18mg of nicotine per milliliter.
If using 3ml per day of 18mg strength liquid, you would theoretically be getting 54mg per day assuming 100% absorption.
But taking absorption rates into account you will only be getting anywhere from 5.4mg to 21.6mg of nicotine per day.
And that would equal anywhere from about 5 to 43 cigarettes.
Because the amount of nicotine absorbed from real cigarettes is anywhere from 0.5mg to 1.1mg, and some are even more.
So really it all depends on which cigarettes we are talking about, and how much we really absorb from vaping.
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Awesome answers guys, thank you so much. I do find that I'm vaping more often than I used to smoke, but not typically taking as many hits. Believe it or not, I never really liked that "morning buzz" from cigs; kind of made me feel a little sick, so certainly NOT trying to get that again. It just feels like I might be vaping "too often" compared to when I smoked, and I was wondering if that was because of not enough nic. Sounds like that experience is pretty universal; so I really appreciate all the feedback. I've got some 24mg juice, so I may try that and see if it cuts me down. It may also be the newness of the vape, and the ability to do it in more places that has me using it more.
Either way, this is exactly the kind of answer i was looking for, thanks everyone for the help and contributions!
Either way, this is exactly the kind of answer i was looking for, thanks everyone for the help and contributions!
Hey theres no such thing as "too often"
When I started my pv went with me to the toilet and everywhere, never left my lips. Now I've noticed myself using it less but no worries I don't care either way it's keeping me alive (off the deathsticks) Happy vaping!
There was a study showing 10% (compared to cigarettes) but I would not recommend anyone 'go by that' since it seems it may have been been first-time Vapers given same amount of time to vape using older style 'mini' type e-cigs and not sure the nicotine juice content either.
IF you are getting the hang of a newer style Joye Ego-B (or any serious newer e-cig) and 16-24 mg nic-juice then I want to go with the member who said about 40%.
With no 'scientific method' but just giving my best guesstimate I would say I'm taking a 24mg e-juice and to get the nicotine satisfaction level I'm looking at about 10-20 minutes.
Versus an old-style cigarette was maybe 3-6 minutes to smoke and get the cravings hit.
There does seem to be different things going on though. A cigarette is a 'fast hit' but then it seems like 40 minutes later your back to another craving.
vaping seems to take longer, slower but then I wait longer between puffs and longer between cravings.
Anyways.. ya I think a few more studies are going to be coming out soon and I definitely want to take a look. I honestly believe a pack-a-day smoker might consider a 24mg e-Juice. They are more likely to stick with it satisfied to begin with. Later move down to 16mg after you leave cigarettes behind.
IF you are getting the hang of a newer style Joye Ego-B (or any serious newer e-cig) and 16-24 mg nic-juice then I want to go with the member who said about 40%.
With no 'scientific method' but just giving my best guesstimate I would say I'm taking a 24mg e-juice and to get the nicotine satisfaction level I'm looking at about 10-20 minutes.
Versus an old-style cigarette was maybe 3-6 minutes to smoke and get the cravings hit.
There does seem to be different things going on though. A cigarette is a 'fast hit' but then it seems like 40 minutes later your back to another craving.
vaping seems to take longer, slower but then I wait longer between puffs and longer between cravings.
Anyways.. ya I think a few more studies are going to be coming out soon and I definitely want to take a look. I honestly believe a pack-a-day smoker might consider a 24mg e-Juice. They are more likely to stick with it satisfied to begin with. Later move down to 16mg after you leave cigarettes behind.
I haven't done the math, this is just my experience.
If your E-cig produce about the same amount of vapor as your cigarette would smoke, and you compare to full strength cigs (EU regulated), it's about 20 mg. on a pure PG Mix.
If you use mixes with VG it's a little higher, but my experience with VG is limited.
If your E-cig produce about the same amount of vapor as your cigarette would smoke, and you compare to full strength cigs (EU regulated), it's about 20 mg. on a pure PG Mix.
If you use mixes with VG it's a little higher, but my experience with VG is limited.
Thanks guys this thread helped alot. I just purchased the ego and its in the mail, so i needed to figure this out.
I like my Ego and still say the 24mg is best for someone wanting to convert for the main reason you are likely to get enough 'nicotine hit' to satisfy the change.
One thing I did find (and even myself at first) was that a 16 (or less) might actually dissuade a smoker who feels they are not getting anything (or enough).
Also, I'd mention again the 'nic fill' for me seems to take longer. Its a slow burn (i find) and in my own personal guesstimation I feel like its 20 'drags' over 10-15 minutes to = one cigarette.
Enjoy the Ego and good luck!
I don't know if this will help, but could be used as a guideline. The analogs are listed by brand.
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