What temp is needed to vape? Would a Vapir No2 work?

[Dodge]

Hello all, former lurker checking in. I finally have a question i couldn't find the answer to on this fantastic site.

I've been doing the gas station Metro E-cigs for 2 months and I like them. Good hit and taste is acceptable. Lately though, I'm thinking of a 'home base' unit. I already have a Vapir No2 which i can set to at least 380, I'm sure it goes plenty higher. Could I just soak a Q-tip head in E-juice and throw it in there? Seems forward enough, which means I'm probably missing something critical.

In lieu of that plan, I wanted to gather opinions from the vets on what I should be shopping for. From my previous research, I suspect many will say EGO. I'd like to know how that is different from my gas station E-cig and why it's better. All I know about it is screw the two pieces together and suck. I've read on here about attys and cartos 508s blah blah.... not really sure what any of that stuff is. I like things that are simple, solid and cheap(good value). I never buy the best or fastest of anything.

One last thing, I want to buy a big jug of the juice before the commies in DC make it illegal. Can anyone suggest a supplier who has very good prices AND has a public phone #? I checked a few websites and just found companies with email contact info. I like to talk to someone when ordering stuff. old fashioned I guess.

My thanks to E-cigarette forum for unknowingly providing me with lots of info over the last few months.

 

[DietSalem]

I don't know much about the low end stuff, so I can't really help you with your first paragraph..

I'm no vet by any means, but as I am looking to get into the trade an open an actual shop (not just online) I have done a ridiculous amount of studying. The best unit to start with, period, is an ego. It's cheap, affordable, and will still be of use to you when you are a vet. An ego style mod will still be useful since a lot of juices taste great at 3.4 to 3.7 volts even once you're a vet. An ego with dual coil mega ego tanks is a GREAT place to start. Later on though, move on to bigger and better mods. I couldn't stress enough how great variable voltage mods are, and the best one I've tried is the Saber Touch VariVolt.

There are a lot of vendors out there who you have options with. If you plan to buy in that large of bulk though, your best bet would be to sample a bunch of juices before you go buy a large jug of one. You don't want to end up with a flavor you're not that big on.

As always, my usual warning is to always drink a lot of water. If you're going to vape you must hydrate!

 

[Dodge]

For future reference, this is not the type of response I'm looking for.

All I hear is get the ego and etc. but WHY? How is it different from what I already have?

 

[Dodge]

As always, my usual warning is to always drink a lot of water. If you're going to vape you must hydrate!

Btw, I wasn't slamming your post just trying to tune the future replies. This tidbit was very helpful. Being a new vaper I was unaware. Thanks.

 

[Playa_hamm420]

Ive tried vaping 100% pg 24mg nic juice out of a 600$ Volcano vaporizer @ temps max 446 F which was the highest temp the unit will go up to.. And that didnt work very well... it produces SOME vapor but not the clouds im getting from my PV..

To really find the temps youd have to look @ the boiling points of everything in your e-liquid .. PG/VG is pretty high if i rember correctly something like 550 F

 

[Dodge]

Bummer. No work around? Nic in a dif base?

 

[Dodge]

NM, I just checked and mine only goes to 400 so I don't have a prayer I guess.

 

[Sicarius]

NM, I just checked and mine only goes to 400 so I don't have a prayer I guess.

If you plan on going higher then remember this :

The concern for VG is that when heated above 280degrees Celsius is cemically converts to the HIGHLY toxic acrolein. Acrolein is one of the major toxic products found in cigarette smoke.

I would be VERY concerned about this because this temperature 280 degrees is LOWER than Glycerols boiling point of 290 degrees Celsius! If you are making VG vapour then you are probably either making or close to making toxic acrolein in the process.

 

[DietSalem]

Btw, I wasn't slamming your post just trying to tune the future replies. This tidbit was very helpful. Being a new vaper I was unaware. Thanks.

No problem, man. The thing with the ego is that it's so universal. Most everything will fit it, it's affordable, good quality, gives good vapor, a good amount of voltage for starting users, and will ultimately just put you in the right direction. I do not know the honest specs other than most ego type mods are between 3.4 volts and 3.7 volts. I'm not much on the technological side of things, but I do know from personal experience everything I mentioned above.

 

[Hoosier]

The coil of the PV is boiling the juice in very small amounts, and the temp is kinda' regulated by the liquid boiling in simplistic terms. The other vaporizer you mention does not have that concept in the design.

The reason so many folks talk about eGo's, KGO's, and so on is because there are so many options that the vaper can get what he/she needs out of them in an interchangable format. So you could grab one of those units and a pallet of cartomizers and a few 55 gallon drums of juice and go to town. Or even get prefilled and go that way and every way inbetween.

The metro looks like a rebranded M4081? Hard to say from the pictures and my memory, but it is an old design. It's still out there kicking.

 

[Dodge]

How electronic cigarettes work

I just saw this site which says the e-cigs work around 200 something. maybe u were too hot.

 

[Dodge]

BTHOM They say nicotek. Point is, I dont mind them, in fact love them for during the day out and about, but I want to try some flavors and was thinking it would be nice at home to have something that holds more. When I take a drag on one of the metros I feel it in my throat and lungs and blow out big cloud and it tastes kind of like a cigarette. So if I buy an ego how will that experience change? What does a setup cost after you get all the coil things, tanks, attys, drip tips etc.?

 

[Katya]

If you plan on going higher then remember this :

The concern for VG is that when heated above 280degrees Celsius is cemically converts to the HIGHLY toxic acrolein. Acrolein is one of the major toxic products found in cigarette smoke.

I would be VERY concerned about this because this temperature 280 degrees is LOWER than Glycerols boiling point of 290 degrees Celsius! If you are making VG vapour then you are probably either making or close to making toxic acrolein in the process.

Ahem, not quite... Let's not start another acrolein debate. It's been debated to death.

first thing I think is that it's totally bad science.... acrolein....VG starts to break down into acrolein at 280 CELCIUS...... the temperature on a dry 1.5Ω atty at a true 3.7V device at 15 seconds is 285 FARENHEIT on the dry coil...shortly after that you're looking at destroying the atty....atties that are kept wet run at a lower temperature...a stock joye 510 runs at about 180 FARENHEIT dry, directly on the coil at cutoff...

in other words there's no way that the atty is getting hot enough to produce acrolein in any measureable amount....
perhaps he should try to refrain from science while hitting the sauce

This is a complex subject and I think we are years away from finding any answers to the odd reactions some people have that seem to be associated with vaping in some way. The trouble is that these cases are so rare.

As regards VG and acrolein, the largest manufacturer of 100% VG eliquids in the West, Intellicig, had their Ecopure brand tested at 300 degrees C for acrolein generation and none was found. If they are happy with the situation then we have to be; they would not allow this type of contamination since it would be game over for them. They issue no warnings about high-power atomizer use, which they would have to do if their product could not be used in all e-cigarette equipment - which by definition includes LR, 5 volt and 6 volt equipment.

 

[Sicarius]

Ahem, not quite... Let's not start another acrolein debate. It's been debated to death.

Realise that Katya, but OP is not using traditional vaporising equipment so mearly a warning.

 

[DietSalem]

BTHOM They say nicotek. Point is, I dont mind them, in fact love them for during the day out and about, but I want to try some flavors and was thinking it would be nice at home to have something that holds more. When I take a drag on one of the metros I feel it in my throat and lungs and blow out big cloud and it tastes kind of like a cigarette. So if I buy an ego how will that experience change? What does a setup cost after you get all the coil things, tanks, attys, drip tips etc.?

Well, your experience will change however you want it to change. Most vapers start with a tobacco, then realize there are so many delicious flavors out there that they move on to those. Right now I am vaping a very good banana nut muffin. It's so good my mouth is salivating to the point that I am having to make physical effort to not get saliva in my drip tip. Eventually, you'll get there. You may not think you will, but every vaper I've known has eventually gotten to where they move slowly from tobaccos and into the delicious flavors out there.

You will get good throat hit depending on the juice, and the mod. The ego does not give me very much throat hit on the tanks that ego-Ts have, however with a dual coil carto you can get pretty good vapor and TH from it. It'll taste like whatever juice you put in it.

 

[Dodge]

You will get good throat hit depending on the juice, and the mod. The ego does not give me very much throat hit on the tanks that ego-Ts have, however with a dual coil carto you can get pretty good vapor and TH from it. It'll taste like whatever juice you put in it.

Are starting to talk about stuff that could blow my face off? I'm not looking for a hot rod. I can refill my ecigs with flavored juice so I'm still looking for a sell. What is better about it?

 

[Hoosier]

An eGo would be like a Chevette would be compared to the moped you have now.

Both will get you there, but an eGo is a long way from a hot rod.

As stated before, there are more options for more vapor, more or less throat hit, replacement parts, and etc.

 

[Katya]

Are starting to talk about stuff that could blow my face off? I'm not looking for a hot rod. I can refill my ecigs with flavored juice so I'm still looking for a sell. What is better about it?

It's all about Wattage and battery life. Wattage (power, heat) generated by your PV equals Voltage (of your battery) squared divided by Resistance (of your atty). Your batteries, the eGos and the Rivas have similar voltage, but the eGos and Rivas are much longer lasting--they are 650 mAh (or 900 and 1000 mAh) compared to the minis, which are ~200 mAh.

I use and like my eGo-class batteries a lot; I use them with Boge 2.0Ω cartos or with single-coil Smoktech cartos (I like the 1.7Ω, 2.0Ω and even 2.5Ω ones). I also like the eGo-C tank cartomizers--they come with empty tanks instead of traditional carts.

The dual-coil cartos are a bit gimmicky, IMHO--they put out a lot of vapor, but the vapor is cool, as you're using two 3.0Ω coils simultaneously. So there's a lot of stress on the battery with very little reward. YMMV.

The satisfying resistance for the eGos (3.4v, regulated) and Rivas (3.7v unregulated) is somewhere between 1.8-2.5Ω. At least for me.

Good luck!

 

[Playa_hamm420]

How electronic cigarettes work

I just saw this site which says the e-cigs work around 200 something. maybe u were too hot.

Never really thought about that.. Tho since my liquid wasnt in direct contact with the heating element such as an e-cig would do mine uses boiling point instead of flash point like an e-cig apperntly

So if in contact with coils directly heating the liquid id guess the e-cig is prolly around 250-300 depdning on various factors..

if its a hot air vaporizer then your gonna need to push the temps to boiling points which would be alot higher for most most comment bases.

 

[Traver]

Some boiling points:

Propylene glycol = 368F 189C
Glycerin = 554F 290C
Water = 212F 100C
Alcohol - ethyl = 172F 79C
Ethyl maltol 322 F 161C