What thw Doctor told my Father In Law about Ecigs!!!!!!!

[rpm13]

In short, the Doctors bullet points:
1-save your money
2-its like the patch or gum
3-smoking is all psychological
WHAT A ....., or at least he thinks we are.
I wonder why he would say such a thing...
1-smoking related illness DRIVES the medical industry, think what they stand to lose without it
2-pharmacutical companies don't make any profit from ecigs, the fact we dont buy their patches and gum anymore will surely effect their bottom line
3-nicotine addiction is chemical addiction, not psychological
I think he has fielded this question before from other patients....and he is getting good at selling the answer (at least to my F.I.L.)
In the end, F.I.L. is getting an ecig in his christmas stocking. And after he doesn't have to buy a pack of analogs at $12.50 (current NYC price) he'll become a vaper...

 

[TexasT]

LOL, you nailed this guy rpm13!

My wife goes to a cancer oncologist and I go to a cardiologist and both doctors are thrilled we have quit cigarettes and took up vaping instead.

 

[Automaton]

There are so many reasons why that is BS.

1. Save your money? We are saving money. And using the patch or the gum long term actually costs more. The government loves that, of course, since they make money off it.

2. The patch and the gum fail 95% of the time. E-cigs work as much as 85% of the time, according to the polls on ECF.

3. As we all know, this is BS. There is a real chemical addiction. But apart from that, even if smoking was all psychological, that doesn't make it any easier to quit. Psychological addictions are real. What does he think a gambling addiction is? Or compulsive eating? Or self-injury? All of these are REAL addictions, that are just as hard to quit as any drug addiction. To play it off like it's no big deal because it's "all in your head" makes me wonder where he got his degree from.

What an idiot. People like that, who are lying through their teeth to keep the FDA off their back, or are just generally ignorant, really shouldn't be practicing medicine.

 

[Dee74]

Why not give him an early just because gift now and more juice for Christmas.

 

[DocWyatt]

Well, most of smoking is psychological as nicotine completely leaves your system within 72 hours if people stop. Obviously people like the nicotine high though...and are also addicted..

The comedy of his remark is that by pointing that fact out he just MADE the case for ecigs - not the patch or gum. I mean duh. Ecigs satisfy this mental addiction while what he suggested does not. Yet he "suggested" to buy something to satisfy nicotine when he says it is all psychological.....

That is why his opinion makes zero sense.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

1-save your money

I AM saving money! Since my fiance and I are still pretty new to vaping, we're still spending around $100/month on vaping supplies and stuff we just want to try. Compare that to $300 or more per month for analogs, the gas to drive to the cigarette store or gas station and buying lighters. I think that's pretty substantial.

2-its like the patch or gum

No it isn't. Vaping tastes better than the gum and has a similar, if not better, effect than both of them.

3-smoking is all psychological

Wow! Really? You mean all this time smoking has just been all in my head?!? What a relief! Now I can get back to vaping with a clear mind.

 

[OldDragon]

I agree, just give to him early and if he finds a juice he likes, give him a big bottle for christmas. If he hasn't found a juice, give him several sample sets of juices....

 

[closetsmokr]

I just wish that the government, medical field, pharma companies, health insurance companies, and other "official" organizations would actually act on the behalf of people's health and well-being rather than acting on behalf of their bank accounts... depressing...

 

[Automaton]

I just wish that the government, medical field, pharma companies, health insurance companies, and other "official" organizations would actually act on the behalf of people's health and well-being rather than acting on behalf of their bank accounts... depressing...

This. Doctors take an oath to "do no harm."

To recommend something that is 95% likely to fail and the user will go back to smoking, over something that is 85% likely to succeed and keep the user off cigarettes, doesn't seem to be in agreement with that oath.

I guess I missed the clause where it says "...unless it is financially gainful to do harm."

 

[DivaB]

What a great Christmas gift!!!

 

[DocWyatt]

The biggest problem with doctors providing unbiased opinions is the kickback system from big pharma.... My understanding is that some get 100's of thousands from big pharma as some sort of advice kickback or whatever they call it....

I believe the only rule now is that they have to disclose how much they got in kickbacks - but it isn't illegal to do so by any means. I could be wrong on this, but I am pretty sure that's how it works...

 

[Automaton]

The biggest problem with doctors providing unbiased opinions is the kickback system from big pharma.... My understanding is that some get 100's of thousands from big pharma as some sort of advice kickback or whatever they call it....

I believe the only rule now is that they have to disclose how much they got in kickbacks - but it isn't illegal to do so by any means. I could be wrong on this, but I am pretty sure that's how it works...

Nope, you're dead-right. It's destroying the medical system.

The FDA is now approving drugs that don't even work, and they know they don't work. But they also know they'll make money, and doctors will sell them, trying to make back some of the money they lose on insane litigation insurance.

 

[g33k]

Ok..so I have to say this lol! I have a medical condition which requires me to get a therapeutic hemapherisis every 2 weeks due to extremely high amounts of cholesterol in my body. Not due to food, but what my body actually makes. I've been doing this for 20 years since I was 9 years old! That being said, I was a smoker for 15 years at a pack a day, and all of my Dr.s hatted it! Once I took up vaping, they all congratulated me on my success of getting away from "stinkies". While at the hospital where I get my treatments, I'm actually allowed to vape in my bed!! HOW FRIGGIN COOL IS THAT!! Since it's over 4 hours long and I would tend to get kind of antsy toward the end, I decided to bring it in and ask one time. Not a single Dr. nor nurse had anything negative to say about it once they saw it in action. Since there was no smoke, and only a faint smell of german chocolate cake (lol!) they all said I could use it whenever I wanted in there.

But the OP's Dr. says it's a waste of money...I'd like my cardiologist to be able to talk to them for a minute

 

[FreakyStylie]

$12.50 (current NYC price)

Does that come with a jar of lubricating jelly too?

Sorry to hear about the deterring advice. The doctor is just probably covering his asssssssssets. And I would suggest that he look for another doctor because this one is in danger of malpractice if he is a medical doctor. There are psychological aspects of addiction to smoking, but only a psychiatrist or psychologist would be able to diagnose that, not a medical doctor.

 

[DocWyatt]

Well my point was this.

The very reason that gum and the patch fail almost always is that a majority of smoking is psychological, but also an addiction. Those two methods only address the nicotine addiction - why they will never work.

Ecigs address BOTH aspects. Why it does work for many people.

 

[bubba2u]

1. get a new doctor
2. dont wait for Christmass to get pv.

 

[FreakyStylie]

Nope, you're dead-right. It's destroying the medical system.

The FDA is now approving drugs that don't even work, and they know they don't work. But they also know they'll make money, and doctors will sell them, trying to make back some of the money they lose on insane litigation insurance.

Forget the drugs that don't even work . . . how about the drugs that they approve that cause injury or death to people. I might have an anger management issue, because every time I see a drug commercial that says "only a few people have died using this product", or "severe abdominal pain", and the rest, I just want to scream.

Oh, but they won't approve vaporizing because of whatever made-up excuses they have. I know, for me, I've gotten rid of everything in smoke except the nicotine for over a week, and that is a good thing.

 

[banjo]

When people don't know what they are talking about, they always sound like .................

 

[5cardstud]

All my doctors have said my health has improved since I started. You got to figure though most doctors don't have too much time to research things and just go by the bulletins they receive from FDA and other places.

 

[closetsmokr]

I guess the other thing about it is, there may be a more intriguing reason that the rush to put out information about how bad vaping is - because "they" know it isn't really bad. Everything under the sun is analyzed for "safety" - food, drinks, analogs, drugs (legal and illegal), etc. Kinda like how vitamins are not "regulated" and can be sold from store shelves - maybe vaping isn't "good" for you, but perhaps it's been studied behind closed doors, and found to be basically harmless (other than the nicotine). The people/organizations who want to ban pv's and everything that goes with them, may have one single motivation - to keep people on analogs and the "approved" money making methods for trying to quit.