What will Customs actually sieze?

[kcr]

And just something you folks might want to consider:

If you are trying to infiltrate a group, you do not go in with guns blazing like Schwartzenegger (sp? it doesn't look right no matter what I do to it.)

Quite the opposite--you gain the trust of those you want to give you the information you want.

If there were a mole from ASH, the FDA or any other group, my bet is that they are already registered at the other site, and that they have posted in this thread.

Do what you want, of course, but y'all are far too trusting of other people on the Internet that you really do not know.

 

[kcr]

And, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but here is the CBP notation that would be applicable:

Drug Paraphernalia
It is illegal to bring drug paraphernalia into the United States unless prescribed for authentic medical conditions such as diabetes. CBP will seize any illegal drug paraphernalia. Law prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale or transportation of drug paraphernalia. If you are convicted of any of these offenses, you will be subject to fines and imprisonment.

If you do have a package seized, it won't be shipped back to China, it will be evidence in your trial.

If you are going to play the odds, you have to look at the size of the pot, and that pot ain't looking all that great to me.

If there is a ban, and if I run out of supplies before they sort this out, I will go back to supporting a family in North Carolina like I have for the past 40 years.

I really hope it does not come down to that.

 

[BigJimW]

And, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but here is the CBP notation that would be applicable:



If you do have a package seized, it won't be shipped back to China, it will be evidence in your trial.

If you are going to play the odds, you have to look at the size of the pot, and that pot ain't looking all that great to me.

If there is a ban, and if I run out of supplies before they sort this out, I will go back to supporting a family in North Carolina like I have for the past 40 years.

I really hope it does not come down to that.

Last I knew, nicotine is not illegal in this country. I can see it if it were a kilo of crack being shipped via UPS over the Mexican border may get your .... in a world of ****, but Nicotine is not something to go to jail over. At least not yet anyways.

If they have to come down that hard, they will have no other alternatives but to ban analogs.

Easy defense in any criminal trial.

The FDA will be hard pressed to prosecute anyone for possession. And your average cop on the street? Heck, he may be a fellow vaporer and let you off with a warning because your tail light is out. I know, my landlord is a cop for the Providence Police department and HE vapes.

This bull**** is nothing more than about money folks. That's all it is about. Don't let them kid ya.

 

[kcr]

The FDA will be hard pressed to prosecute anyone for possession.

Possession was not being discussed--importation was.

I haven't seen anything saying possession will be a crime.

 

[KonaNeil]

I live in a state where marijuana is legal by prescription. Unlike in California, we don't have stores that sell it. The law expects one to grow their own or have a 'caregiver' who does it for them.

For reasons of quality, many people buy their seeds from The Netherlands. Shipping marijuana seeds into the US is illegal. However, I've never heard of any shipments being seized or anyone arrested. A quick Google search doesn't show me anything very scary either.

What saddens me is that what we are likely to lose are the viability of the small US businesses who help us and any likelihood of American ingenuity improving the experience through more innovative products.

There should be a dozen companies like Janty in the US but the risk is just too great for anyone to fund them.

 

[KonaNeil]

Possession was not being discussed--importation was.

I haven't seen anything saying possession will be a crime.

Not yet, not here, but simple possession is already a crime in Australia.

 

[kcr]

Not yet, not here, but simple possession is already a crime in Australia.

That is terrible!

 

[BigJimW]

That is terrible!

Wait until it hits this country.

It's coming.

 

[jvapor]

I live in a state where marijuana is legal by prescription. Unlike in California, we don't have stores that sell it. The law expects one to grow their own or have a 'caregiver' who does it for them.

For reasons of quality, many people buy their seeds from The Netherlands. Shipping marijuana seeds into the US is illegal. However, I've never heard of any shipments being seized or anyone arrested. A quick Google search doesn't show me anything very scary either.

What saddens me is that what we are likely to lose are the viability of the small US businesses who help us and any likelihood of American ingenuity improving the experience through more innovative products.

There should be a dozen companies like Janty in the US but the risk is just too great for anyone to fund them.

I agree that we will be likely to loose some Small businesses. I hope this is not the case because the economy is already struggling. I too have hopes of starting a business and in fact was about to place my first order when this all rolled down but I have delayed the idea and my future prospects hinge on this ruling.

 

[Dredbull]

I have nothing to say!

 

[smc]

I was under the impression that if there is a ban, it is not going to be so much availability of items as it is finding someone who will deliver them.

If they are banned, I am pretty sure the post office will not deliver.

If this were the case then lots of things would have never made it through the US mail. Ted Kaczynski would have only been a brilliant mathematician.

Edit: Actually Ted probably would have done something anyway. Just not through the mail.

 

[smc]

I'm actually very hesitant talking about this type of subject on this board. You can bet your boots the FDA reads it and if we keep "spilling the beans", then we're only screwing ourselvses in the end. Lets hope that we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

I am sure there exists at least one person in the FDA/Customs that is being made aware of our discussions. However, this is so minor as to what else is out there (discussion or otherwise). Let's just say there are boards where the primary discussion is on how to properly package and ship national/international items that come with time.

 

[smc]

Possession was not being discussed--importation was.

I haven't seen anything saying possession will be a crime.

Importation (personal use) will not get you arrested/prosecuted. An old friend of mine used to purchase 'the juice' from China and S. Korea. Several of his shipments were seized. He was never arrested/prosecuted. This was importation of a controlled substance.

At most your shipment will be sent back to china. I still am not sure why I am replying to this. For some reason I think you don't truly believe this yourself.

 

[ritalin]

I have a questions about these seizing at customs. Are they seizing just the kits and carts? What Im wondering is can they seize it if there is NO juice in the cartridges? According to the Import Refusal Report posted earlier, the reason for the refusal was;

"The article appears to be a new drug without an approved new drug application."

Well if its just the battery, charger and EMPTY cartridges what reason would they have to detain them?