has somebody who is wary of legislation and the future economic situation I got in a couple of years supply of e-juice, atomisers and batteries. I was one of those who do not exspect e-juice to be banned but it dosnt stop me been prepared. For the economic situation e-juice may be a better investment than gold.
What Will You Do If Ecigs Becoming Regulated And Taxed?
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I just realized that I apparently can't put a simple question together. lol. "ecigs becoming regulated?" yikes.
I don't think I can edit the title to say "become." can a mod?
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I don't think I can edit the title to say "become." can a mod?
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YES!!!
I get to be the only ...... to go back to Analogs.
I just had one and it was gooooood!
Well I shouldn't say I will go back to the real ones, it's all speculation as to how and when, but if we can go a year before the government starts Funking with us, I'm sure I will go through the phases, stop analogs, go to 0-nic-liq; so maybe by the time the Ship hits the fan I will be ready to say "Peace out mother funker, I'm out"
I get to be the only ...... to go back to Analogs.
I just had one and it was gooooood!
Well I shouldn't say I will go back to the real ones, it's all speculation as to how and when, but if we can go a year before the government starts Funking with us, I'm sure I will go through the phases, stop analogs, go to 0-nic-liq; so maybe by the time the Ship hits the fan I will be ready to say "Peace out mother funker, I'm out"
This is all getting TOOOOO scary, isn't it?
Part of me hopes e-cigs will get recognition for the benefits they can provide and then get caned no more than they already are - Excise Duty and VAT in England is certainly being paid by us if we're buying from the legitimate and non-cowboy suppliers. I'd assume the same is true in the US with sellers like Cash and so forth. I've always been an idealist <sigh>.
Back in the real world the cynical but realistic part of me wouldn't be at all surprised if liquid gets banned thanks to the nannies and bureaucrats, and even less surprised if that then leads to exactly the problems which already exist with any other prohibited substances.
To whit - instant black market, entry of organised crime into the game, no quality control whatsoever, contamination causing death or illness which has to be treated by the NHS (which will not receive any funding from the sales as they won't be taxed) and criminalisation of us vapers.
As long as it wan't banned I'd probably bite the bullet and pay up with very bad grace, but by choice I'd be an 'other' - cooking my own 'moonshine' e-liquid!
There could be an alternative - a kind of reversion to something the Sixties culture had by way of a newspaper called International Times. This marvellous organ used to do things like publishing a full set of accurate laboratory instructions for making your own .... It also provided down-to-earth real-world advice on how to avoid having problems with the recreationals of your choice, and so of course it got into loads of trouble and doesn't exist anymore.
However, the 'Net might prove itself yet again a fount of knowledge which couldn't easily be suppressed. I'm hardly keen to start growing potatoes and peppers to process into juice (must upgrade my 'O'-level chemistry skills first) but if I have to I will. Can't realistically see the drugs squad raiding every allotment in the country...
Love and peace to all and a very Happy New Year
Think positive!!!!!
Part of me hopes e-cigs will get recognition for the benefits they can provide and then get caned no more than they already are - Excise Duty and VAT in England is certainly being paid by us if we're buying from the legitimate and non-cowboy suppliers. I'd assume the same is true in the US with sellers like Cash and so forth. I've always been an idealist <sigh>.
Back in the real world the cynical but realistic part of me wouldn't be at all surprised if liquid gets banned thanks to the nannies and bureaucrats, and even less surprised if that then leads to exactly the problems which already exist with any other prohibited substances.
To whit - instant black market, entry of organised crime into the game, no quality control whatsoever, contamination causing death or illness which has to be treated by the NHS (which will not receive any funding from the sales as they won't be taxed) and criminalisation of us vapers.
As long as it wan't banned I'd probably bite the bullet and pay up with very bad grace, but by choice I'd be an 'other' - cooking my own 'moonshine' e-liquid!
There could be an alternative - a kind of reversion to something the Sixties culture had by way of a newspaper called International Times. This marvellous organ used to do things like publishing a full set of accurate laboratory instructions for making your own .... It also provided down-to-earth real-world advice on how to avoid having problems with the recreationals of your choice, and so of course it got into loads of trouble and doesn't exist anymore.
However, the 'Net might prove itself yet again a fount of knowledge which couldn't easily be suppressed. I'm hardly keen to start growing potatoes and peppers to process into juice (must upgrade my 'O'-level chemistry skills first) but if I have to I will. Can't realistically see the drugs squad raiding every allotment in the country...
Love and peace to all and a very Happy New Year
Think positive!!!!!
We could all get together and create a secret factory.
Who's in?
I'm in!!!
Anybody wants to experiment on DIY e-liquid with just VG, Flavor and CAFEINE?? I'm getting some cats to test it!! JK
Assuming all works as planned (to quit cigs but keep a convenient nicotine delivery system as a prevention to going back to cigs again),
Fairly taxed I'll keep on buying. But outrageously taxed I'll stockpile some 36mg and only vape as needed to keep off cigs.
I'll still have my pipes. Keeping unused batteries for a rainy day may pose a problem but I'm pretty inventive.
With the drug paraphernalia laws and their flops I don't see any regulations touching the equipment. As swanee said you market them as a different product.
Even though there's been talks of taxing pipe tobacco they never mention the pipes. And if there ever was, they're now bubble pipes.
Fairly taxed I'll keep on buying. But outrageously taxed I'll stockpile some 36mg and only vape as needed to keep off cigs.
I'll still have my pipes. Keeping unused batteries for a rainy day may pose a problem but I'm pretty inventive.
With the drug paraphernalia laws and their flops I don't see any regulations touching the equipment. As swanee said you market them as a different product.
Even though there's been talks of taxing pipe tobacco they never mention the pipes. And if there ever was, they're now bubble pipes.
Want a glimpse of us underground? Read the first post in the old thread, On the Road to Crack Nicotine:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/609-road-crack-nicotine.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/609-road-crack-nicotine.html
excelent article TB. . We have worries now about the quality control of the chinese, see what the criminals can achieve. I am not sure if there is a big enough market for nicotine liquids for real criminals to get involved, but making it illegal may produce the market. I know people are talking about homemade has a cottage industry for the benifit of themselves and friends. Thats how many of these things started, I am old enough to remember when people though about recreational drugs that way and the shock of finding that the people who were taking control were not that interested in peace & love
I find it almost impossible to believe that regulation and taxation is an option in the U.S. It's the only logical process, and therefore inconceivable to our gov't. If anyone in Congress had a brain or a spine, we would have abandoned our failed "War on Drugs" years ago and started treating addiction, educating kids, and reducing prison overcrowding by releasing non-violent offenders who were made criminals by our government for making choices that affected no one but themselves.
Government seems to have the notion that "banning" somehow correlates to "eliminating". All it does is drive up the price, lower the quality, endanger the end purchaser, overload the legal system, and drive all the $$$ into the hands of criminals - rather than allowing entrepreneurs to make an honest buck while collecting enough taxes to offset any costs associated with research and regulation.
Happy populace + functioning government? I guess I'm dreaming...
But I'll vote for purchasing taxed and regulated vaping anyway
Government seems to have the notion that "banning" somehow correlates to "eliminating". All it does is drive up the price, lower the quality, endanger the end purchaser, overload the legal system, and drive all the $$$ into the hands of criminals - rather than allowing entrepreneurs to make an honest buck while collecting enough taxes to offset any costs associated with research and regulation.
Happy populace + functioning government? I guess I'm dreaming...
But I'll vote for purchasing taxed and regulated vaping anyway
drugs make a very conveniant scapegoat. give youngsters a poor education, no real mission in life, let them watch all the exagerated glitter lifestyles of the rich and famous. Then blame the drugs, have wars against them etc. In the UK at the moment we have all happily lived on credit and over priced housing, while been robbed blind by the financial institutions. What to we do, give the banks money, try and give out cheeper credit and at the same time have new laws to stamp out benifit fraud and steadily the papers are making noise about the migrant workers taking all our jobs. So it will all be the fault of migrant workers and scroungers on the social in the end.
If laws come in against vaping it will be based on some similer logic.
If laws come in against vaping it will be based on some similer logic.
We know this
So, I guess your in for our secret factory. I think we'll call ourselves the Secret Society of Underground Vapers SSUV. Anyone have any other ideas?
Ooooo I'm down for secret factory! We will need to kidnap some chinese kids to work the sweatshop part if we are going to keep the price down on hardware. If it goes down in the US, I will gladly pick up slack on the liquid *edit- just saw you (nadia) calling dibs on liquid, we can work on it together unless you already have a totally kick-... recipe ^_^* . And yes you are 100% right about the "research chemicals," if it says "not for consumption," it is legal to transport, manufacture, etc so no problems there. Bottle of no-nic liquid (and I assure you if I make it, only the safest of ingredients will be used), packet of "not-for-consumption-tobacco-extract" (I can isolate and purify alkaloids in my sleep, and as long as tobacco remains uncontrolled for adults then the nicotine isolated from it is equally out of the DEA or FDA's capacity to prosecute, and I'm also working on a step-by-step guide on how to do it yourself with no lab equip and easily available chems from your local stores for tropicalbob, but it will be written after my ingredient-safety report which has been eating up all of my free time), and of course I am not involved in any illegal liquid-packet mixing that might occur after the package leaves my care (perhaps mail them separately to avoid any possible scrutiny). But lets hope that doesn't go down. BTW on another thread (I think in the American e-smokers section) they posted a link to a facebook group of american e-smokers that can be used to contact eachother if this site goes down.
Together we stand
Together we stand
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I find it almost impossible to believe that regulation and taxation is an option in the U.S. It's the only logical process, and therefore inconceivable to our gov't. If anyone in Congress had a brain or a spine, we would have abandoned our failed "War on Drugs" years ago and started treating addiction, educating kids, and reducing prison overcrowding by releasing non-violent offenders who were made criminals by our government for making choices that affected no one but themselves.
But I'll vote for purchasing taxed and regulated vaping anyway
Don't get me going here. We are already paying high and mighty for what it cost to manufacture e-cigs. If gov. gets involved, a new black market will form. I will not vote for taxation or regulation. S##t! It's all about gov. profits.
I can really get going on prison overcrowding. I did a study years ago, '96? Then, it was costing taxpayers $38,000. per prisoner per year. I say, if the state has a death penalty law, start putting it to use. I have a very good and personal reason for this. Big time! I agree on release of many of them for petty crimes and some are so old from smoking mary jane way back when, they wouldn't know what to do if released.
I can feel my blood pressure rising. Best stop now.
We know this
Yep! Let's go underground. If it works for big time drugs and mafias, why not e-cigs. You know the tobacco companies hate them and will be the instigators. Notice how they're pushing products to quit smoking? I say lobby and pass laws to keep them. They're healthier. Good reason to pass.
YES!!!
Well I shouldn't say I will go back to the real ones, it's all speculation as to how and when, but if we can go a year before the government starts Funking with us, I'm sure I will go through the phases, stop analogs, go to 0-nic-liq; so maybe by the time the Ship hits the fan I will be ready to say "Peace out mother funker, I'm out"
The whole reason going to ecigs and stopping the analogs is I like the physical part of the addiction. When I get down to 0 nic., I still want to vape. I've quit before and I sure didn't go back for the nic. or taste. ooh!
I like feeling like I'm smoking; going through the motions. Especially in the AM with coffee.My one and only vice. Take them away from me and they end up underground. Bloody bisterds!
Ooooo I'm down for secret factory!
BTW on another thread (I think in the American e-smokers section) they posted a link to a facebook group of american e-smokers that can be used to contact eachother if this site goes down.
Together we stand
GO, SATIRE, GO!!! Give 'em H-E-double hockey sticks.
And let me know how some of us can help on that bloomin safe liquid.
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Is this get a clue time? I just found this site and was enjoying what yous guys was a sayin.
Okay, I'll go home. No body wants to play with me. Nobody loves me, nobody ever did.
Is this get a clue time? I just found this site and was enjoying what yous guys was a sayin.
Okay, I'll go home. No body wants to play with me. Nobody loves me, nobody ever did.
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