Whats best cheapest E-cig to ween you off to quit completely?

[mohawkx]

Ahh.. thanks for the info. Er.. No I don't have it figured out yet - still getting there but every little bit helps.

If you don't see the 20% discount code in the upper left hand corner of the Lib-Fli home page just type in october20 at checkout when they ask for a discount code and you will get the 20%.

 

[John Phoenix]

If you don't see the 20% discount code in the upper left hand corner of the Lib-Fli home page just type in october20 at checkout when they ask for a discount code and you will get the 20%.

Now That's a little bit that will Definitely help me Get There. Thanks!

 

[Adrena]

Juices. Ya know.. I don't think that many smokers like flavored cigarettes. I have tried a few and wasn't impressed. It surprises me that there seems to be such a large market for non tobacco flavors - all the fruity sweet flavors. So whats the draw? If your the type that would not buy flavored cigs, why use flavored juice? Does it make that much of a difference while vaping as opposed to smoking?

I'm just trying to understand the attraction.

I'll give you my take and as always taste is subjective. I have tried fruits, bakery delights, breakfasts (even bacon french toast,yuck) all kinds of "sweete" and am to the point I'm fine with just menthol, coffee (only if you like it black) go fig.
An example Cotton candy sugary right? I taste a flavor of cotton candy yes a flavor but not a sweet sugar taste in there at all. Did that make sence to have a flavor w/out the sweet? So Why all the sweets that aren't sweet I'll tell you. Sugar burns so not good for vaping lol. There are sweeteners out there some times splenda is used or stevia.
But the taste is not all that noticeable. So I'm inclined not to buy but a few sweets I did like in my tests all be it none have sugar, splenda or stevia I don't want in my lungs.

Try to imagine all the sweet things in life on a sugar free diet plain. You get the chocolate cupcake but it's not milk chocolate sweet. Mind you it is nice to taste a chocolate cupcake from time to time. At least that's how I see the sweet juices....
And I was never happy with Tobacco flavored juices either, ever have a cig get wet in the rain? Yeah thats the taste there... Pure menthol (no Tobacco) and coffee (black) for me please.......

 

[DC2]

If The American People don't want this regulation bad enough it can be fought and laws changed. There really needs to be a Major concerted effort on the part of the People to gather evidence as to the benefits of using e-cigs as opposed to regular tobacco and they need to make a big enough stink. The people need to hit em where it hurts with a huge advertising and information campaign.

We've been trying, but there aren't enough of us, and we don't have anywhere near enough money.

The "alphabet soup" of organizations you mentioned above are funded in large part by Big Pharma, and are doing their bidding.
In addition, electronic cigarettes are a direct threat to the survival of many of the "alphabet soup" organizations as well.

If no one smoked tobacco anymore, many of them would lose their purpose for existence.
That is why they are in the process of shifting their focus from anti-smoking to anti-nicotine.

And then you have the FDA in bed with Big Pharma, which is a fact they hardly even attempt to hide anymore.
So Big Pharma with their bogus quit-smoking scams are really the ones we're fighting here.

 

[John Phoenix]

Perhaps we should get Everyone who hasn't done so to sign this petition made by the Electronic Cigarette Association: Electronic Cigarette Association

The petition is here: E-Cigarettes Save Lives - A Petition for Policy Change - They want 20,000 signatures and so far only a little over 4000 have signed since I think they said, as of April of 2010

I didn't notice it cus I wasn't looking for it, but if a thread about this isn't a sticky on this forum someplace, it should be.

A Petition for the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Legacy Foundation, American Lung Association, American Medical Association, Action on Smoking and Health, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Public Citizen and Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids to change their policy and support the sale and use of electronic cigarettes as a reduced harm option for committed adult smokers.

_________________________________________________________________

There are 46 million U.S. adults who smoke and approximately 400,000 people who die each year from their own cigarette smoking.
(Source: TobaccoFreeKids.org)

“Cigarette smoke contains over 4,800 chemicals, 69 of which are known to cause cancer. Smoking is directly responsible for approximately 90 percent of lung cancer deaths and approximately 80-90 percent of COPD (emphysema and chronic bronchitis) deaths.”
(Source: American Lung Association)

“Despite overwhelming evidence of tobacco's harmful effects and pressure from anti-smoking advocates, current surveys show that about one-quarter of all adults in the United States are smokers.”
(Source: Committee to Assess the Science Base for Tobacco Harm Reduction, Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention)

“Health-concerned smokers gravitate toward “reduced-harm” cigarettes through a motivation to protect themselves from health risks.”
(Source: Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education)

“Electronic cigarettes are marketed and used as a less hazardous alternative to traditional cigarettes, not as a cure for nicotine dependency.”
(Source: Michal Douglas, Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association)

“Nicotine isn't the bad guy. The bad guy is the smoke in tobacco.”
(Source: Dr. Daniel F. Seidman, American Medical Association News)

“E-cigarettes use the same nicotine, with about the same level of trace contaminants as FDA approved NRT products. There are a large number of studies and reviews that demonstrate the safety of E-cigarettes in comparison with pharmaceutical NRT products and conventional cigarettes.”
(Source: American Association of Public Health Physicians)



In a survey of over 1,100 survey respondents, as of 4/29/2010:

· 82.5% of electronic cigarette users reported they are over the age of 30 years old and only 2.1% are 18-21 years old

· 84.4% stated that they smoked cigarettes for over 10 years before switching to electronic cigarettes

· 75.2% report that they have ceased smoking traditional cigarettes completely.

· 83.1% report they use electronic cigarettes as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes and not as a way to treat nicotine addiction

· 56% of these older adult respondents report that they “regularly,” “often” or “always” use non-tobacco flavors such as chocolate and strawberry

· 91.4% report “better lung function/easier breathing” and 80.2% report “increased lung capacity”

· 89.6% stated they would be “very likely” or “likely” to “ buy electronic cigarette supplies directly from China or the black market,” should electronic cigarettes become unavailable in the U.S. and 72.1% stated they would be “likely” or “very likely” to return to smoking cigarettes. Only 7.6% reported that they would attempt to quit smoking using an NRT or through complete abstinence i.e. cold turkey
(Source: CASAA Electronic Cigarette User Survey)

"The AAPHP Task Force, on the basis of extensive literature review and analysis, has concluded that a national harm reduction initiative, based partly on the potential attractiveness of E-cigarettes to current smokers, could save the lives of 4 million of the 8 million current adult American smokers who will otherwise die of a tobacco-related illness over the next 20 years."
(Source: Joel L. Nitzkin, MD, AAPHP White Paper: The E-Cigarette in the Context of Overall Tobacco Control)

FACT: There is NO evidence of any harm or illness, due to electronic cigarettes, during the five years they have been on the world market.

FACT: Testing by the FDA and independent labs has shown that electronic cigarettes do not have toxic levels of chemicals and contain no more carcinogens than FDA-approved smoking cessation products.

FACT: Electronic cigarettes are advertised to and largely used by ADULT committed smokers, the majority of whom have no intention of quitting nicotine use in the near future.

FACT: There is no verifiable evidence to show that children/teens are attracted to electronic cigarettes.

FACT: Accusations that electronic cigarette advertising is targeting children is based entirely on the false assumption that adult smokers would not be attracted to candy flavors or electronic “gadgets.”

FACT: The overwhelming majority of electronic cigarette retailers already have implemented policies against sales to minors and anecdotal reports of minors purchasing electronic cigarettes are extremely rare.

FACT: Electronic cigarettes have been shown to be tens of thousands of times less toxic and less carcinogenic than traditional cigarettes.

FACT: The majority of electronic cigarettes users discontinue smoking traditional tobacco.

FACT: If electronic cigarettes are removed from the U.S. market, the majority of electronic cigarette owners will turn to ordering the devices from China or worse, return to smoking traditional cigarettes.

FACT: Electronic cigarettes pose little, if any, risk to the general public, yet their removal from the market would have a huge, negative impact on the hundreds of thousands of actual users of the devices.

While there is still a need for regulation of electronic cigarette sales to minors, addressing false advertising claims by a small number of retailers and consistent manufacturing standards; given the above facts, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Legacy Foundation, American Lung Association, American Medical Association, Action on Smoking and Health, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Public Citizen and Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids have a duty to discontinue their campaign for the removal of electronic cigarettes from the market and support the availability and use for the primary consumer benefitting from these products – adult committed smokers. Therefore, any further actions by these organizations to bar access to electronic cigarettes for adult smokers is in direct conflict of their stated missions to protect public health.

We ask that the above-named groups cease and desist all efforts to remove electronic cigarettes from the market and instead encourage committed smokers to switch to these reduced harm products, while additional testing is done and fair and proper regulations are established. Until this is done, we pledge to withdraw our support and stop any and all financial contributions to your organizations and our friends, families and co-workers will be strongly encouraged to do the same.

 

[John Phoenix]

I'll give you my take and as always taste is subjective. I have tried fruits, bakery delights, breakfasts (even bacon french toast,yuck) all kinds of "sweete" and am to the point I'm fine with just menthol, coffee (only if you like it black) go fig.
An example Cotton candy sugary right? I taste a flavor of cotton candy yes a flavor but not a sweet sugar taste in there at all. Did that make sence to have a flavor w/out the sweet? So Why all the sweets that aren't sweet I'll tell you. Sugar burns so not good for vaping lol. There are sweeteners out there some times splenda is used or stevia.
But the taste is not all that noticeable. So I'm inclined not to buy but a few sweets I did like in my tests all be it none have sugar, splenda or stevia I don't want in my lungs.

Try to imagine all the sweet things in life on a sugar free diet plain. You get the chocolate cupcake but it's not milk chocolate sweet. Mind you it is nice to taste a chocolate cupcake from time to time. At least that's how I see the sweet juices....
And I was never happy with Tobacco flavored juices either, ever have a cig get wet in the rain? Yeah thats the taste there... Pure menthol (no Tobacco) and coffee (black) for me please.......

Interesting viewpoints. Thank you very much.

 

[Silversmyth]

O.k. I think I will go with the Riva ( ugly one LOL) instead of the disposables - But.. on this page Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510 the special edition and the Lite (Riva 510 - Lite Bundle) have the same specs but the lite is cheaper - whats the difference then?

Oh.. er.. I'm not finding that 20% discount on the page - perhaps I'm not looking in the right spot.

Damn--about time John!!!!!!!
Top of page --on left side--Click Here-- 20%-- discount

 

[John Phoenix]

Thanks SilverSmyth! Still looking at juices but will order before this week ends.

 

[BestLion]

Juices. Ya know.. I don't think that many smokers like flavored cigarettes. I have tried a few and wasn't impressed. It surprises me that there seems to be such a large market for non tobacco flavors - all the fruity sweet flavors. So whats the draw? If your the type that would not buy flavored cigs, why use flavored juice? Does it make that much of a difference while Vaping as opposed to smoking?

This was what I tought at first, i bought like 5 tobacco flavored ejuices.. now i cant even vape them they are nasty. Try fruit flavors and drink flavors, you wont even consider tobacco flavors once you go to other flavors.

 

[kelleymcm]

HI Welcome! I know U have figured some of this out already But
I would like to attempt a few suggestions (MHO) here w/out writing a novel & sounding to .....y even tho it is probably not possible.

I agree w/the others ... order a Riva/510 lite bundle ...click on the us flag @ the top of the page & get the discount. & YES the SE is a better batt . there is a noticeable diff between 3.2 & 3.7,more substantial vape,warmer/heavier not as light/airy ?? hard to explain .

I know this sounds pushy of us...But U asked & we are trying to save U $$ & frustration !! That we have been thru. You could always look at it this way RIVA's have a resale value !!

& please understand when we say riva or ego...etc we are just talking about the "branding" of the batteries here ....when we say mAh we are talking size/charge time held. ie: the Riva's in that kit are 750mAh they also make 900mAh.1100mAh& 1300mAh ...I do believe.

& when we say 510/901/401/801 we are talking about the "threading" on the batterys. which is important cuz that signifies what will be compatable to that battery.
IE: attomizers or cartomizers or tank systems etc...
& everyone has different preferences to those. & these are all disposable !

thats why it is suggested to start w/a kit,which will have some kind of atty/cart or carto with it.

& why we suggest you get the other option also,when you order your kit. Cuz there is no way to no which one you will like better & either will die & at least U will have the other option to use while U wait on replacements.

another tip ...get the steel version,easier to keep clean & no chipped paint! Sleek look ...ooops nope sold out ...black is in tho

Then go & find some e-juice,

maybe go look @ voidmist.com .
they are running a 40% off sale till the 25th ,
use code APR25_40%OFF ... great deal!

18 mg & 24 mg order small bottles @ first(there are sample packs out there)
+ U can just add VG from walmart to decrease the NIC strengths.

or watch the classifieds for a juice lot that has some flavors that might sound good to you.

Think about the candy or gum flavors U like, thats the closest reference point (I think) to vaping....not the kinds of tobacco U used ...

and please be aware that NO E-JUICE will taste anything like cigarettes or any other "burning tobacco" U have used in the past. tobacco e-juice are the flav.of raw tobacco,not burning tobacco & VERY YUCKY !! imho

So see ...that only touched on 3 or 4 of your questions ...e-cigs are WAY to deep to discuss in one post ...we have all spent hours & hours & hours reading & trying different things ...there really is NO EASY way to do this. You just have to jump in here & LEARN how to do it.

other suggested area's of forum to check out .... library, broke newbie videos<<Highly Recommended,nicotine,switching, health

I would also like to tell ya that I have spent less than $500 on e-cigs stuff in about 8 months & $100 or so was for DAD & I bet I spent $100 or so before I got my riva kits & all I have bought since then(NOV/DEC) is juice stuff (I DIY) & carto's/attys/tank attys.

Sorry for the super long my"Newbie Rant" post, hope something helped .

 

[RobDude]

I turn new peeps onto the Riva 510.

 

[mohawkx]

I turn new peeps onto the Riva 510.

I'll bet a dollar to a donut that he bought a riva and is waiting on delivery.

 

[db13berry]

I'll bet a dollar to a donut that he bought a riva and is waiting on delivery.

Well, I hope he did.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Methinks we've been used. I saw in another thread where he is starting some kind of vapers club to help fight for the ecig . We are basically writing it for him. go figure......at first I thought maybe he was just a lonely ole man..... oh well live and learn.
sas

 

[mohawkx]

If you read one of my earlier posts in this thread, that's what I pegged the situation at.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

If you read one of my earlier posts in this thread, that's what I pegged the situation at.

I've been following off and on.....here is the thread i was referring to
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-working-e-cigarettes-rights.html#post3055589

sorry, I didn't go back thru the whole thread...I am glad I am not the only one that thought that.

sas
ps and he currently is posting his own website.......I hate being used in such a manner and he should apologize and tell everyone on his site where he got all his info. I'll stop now, before I say something I may regret.

 

[mohawkx]

I've been following off and on.....here is the thread i was referring to
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-working-e-cigarettes-rights.html#post3055589

sorry, I didn't go back thru the whole thread...I am glad I am not the only one that thought that.

sas
ps and he currently is posting his own website.......I hate being used in such a manner and he should apologize and tell everyone on his site where he got all his info. I'll stop now, before I say something I may regret.

His whole premise was that he wanted to completely quit tobacco and e-cigs in one month. 30 day plan and what ten dollar disposable would do that for him. We took the ball and ran with it from there. After 5 or 6 pages, I suggested that the best course of action for him would be to stick with his top tobacco. It probably got deleted.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It wouln't have been so bad if he'd been up front at the get-go.......Like I said, I posted a couple of times but quickly realized something wasn't right with him, so I just mostly watched......some peoples children....well I have put him on my......list....lol

sas

 

[Empress Kitty]

I am a little lost lol he seemed odd (I have been following this post) Sugar, Mohawk, what just happened? used? so confused! (doesnt happen much -.-)

 

[John Phoenix]

Methinks we've been used. I saw in another thread where he is starting some kind of vapers club to help fight for the ecig . We are basically writing it for him. go figure......at first I thought maybe he was just a lonely ole man..... oh well live and learn.
sas

NOPE, Nada, Never Zip ! - I'm not like that besides I could just refer anyone to the site itself. But I like your paranoia - keeps you on your toes.

I still haven't ordered yet, but I am now committed to the Riva 510 SE. I'm just hung up on Juices. I am trying to find the cheapest nicotine juice in a large bottle i can afford, some tools for the DIY method, about 3 bottles of different flavors and the PG and VG - My budget will not allow me to vape doing it any other way - i need these supplies to be around 40 bucks and have enough to last for 3 months!

So I'm still taking my time and doing research - this place is huge and there are so many different opinions.

And Yes.. I have read about e cigs for months and have friends who have used them. I was convinced long ago that this was way better than cigs. I wanted to join a local ecig group in my area and there isn't any so I thought I'd start my own.

I'm frustrated because it's taking me so long to find all the right answers so I can order.. I dying to quit smoking and start vaping!!!

BTW.. I didn't say I was posting on my own website. I said I was Making an e-cig group website. Big difference.. it's not up yet.

Just because I haven't yet started my product, does not mean I cannot be involved in spreading the good news about e-cigs. I am in no way, shape or form trolling for information for my own gain other than to learn about e-cigs and start using them.

mohawkx

Your right.. That was my plan.. to stop in one month. But - I realized that was not realistic and as long as I could continue to afford the juice I could keep vaping and perhaps just cut down on the nicotine level - you see when I started this.. I didn't think I could afford to keep vaping, so I thought i'd just use it to quit for good. But now that I see financially that I think I CAN continue to vape, ( found out about DIY juice) i'm going to try that and work my nicotine levels down more slowly.

That's why I haven't posted in this thread in a couple of days - I have learned more and have been researching changing my strategy.