Lets add some fuel to the fire… The provari and other mods, Vamo, Zmax, ect. are nothing more than a glorified eGo twist. I can hang an eGo on a lanyard around my neck comfortably. I can put it in my pocket without it dragging my pants down to my ankles. I can put just about any type of tank on one. I can even put a dripping device on one, in fact there is more options you can do with an eGo than you can do with any other unit out there. Truth be told, an eGo is the most versatile device known to vaping, hence the superior device.
Whats with all the Provari hate?
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Actually, I have a squadron of Mods, but other than my ProVari, and maybe my eVic, I use my ego twists more than any of the others. For the precise reason you cited. If I am out hiking, or at the kid's game, or on the go in any way, it is twist time for this lion as well. A great portable, no frills device, those twists.
I like the 650 cause its small, and I top it with an EVOD.
Yep. Strip everything away and the utility of these devices make them the best.
You might want to get your meter calibrated because this is just not the case.
I tested my Vamo today, 4 volts and its putting out 4.03 volts.
PBusardo also tested it and it showed accurate voltage output for him.
So, could it be more accurate? Sure. But a .03 voltage difference isnt noticeable AND given the price point, I dont expect the EXACT voltage, there will always be some variance. My Provari puts out 4.01 volts when set to 4 and its three times the price.
Now, if we want to talk about higher voltages (upwards of 5.3+), that is indeed a place where the Vamo starts to have some issues.
But as I stated earlier, I vape at around 8 watts. I build my coils at around 2 ohms. That means my voltage is around 4.
Ive NEVER pushed my voltage above 4.5 and in fact, 4 is too high after the first 5 minutes of firing and 'breaking in' a new coil. I build my coils to 2 ohms but over time, it quickly drops to around 1.6 or 1.7 ohms, meaning my voltage gets dropped to 3.6 or 3.7 to maintain 8 watts.
As to your last sentence:
Dont be a .....
Again, Im not selling the Vamo as a superior device, I still think the Provari is a better built device.
But my mods are treated exceptionally well, Ive never dropped a mod (although it has fallen over on the desk). I cant speak to the durability of any of my mods because Ive never actually had the misfortune of one being mistreated.
I am fascinated at the frequency difference, wasnt aware that the Provari was firing at 800 Mhz vs the Vamo at 33 Mhz. Whether this is a noticeable difference, I have no idea, but this explains the price difference and I now understand why Provape is charging such a premium. It isnt easy to get a 3.7 volt power source to fire at a higher voltage with a high frequency rate and maintain decent power conversion loss - ie. not draining the battery super quickly.
I found the Semovar that was mentioned but not sure I can order it here in the states...
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epages/yxve46fvrnud.sf/en_GB/?ObjectID=809344
(140 pounds for the base kit which is just the 18650 variant)
There is another full kit that includes additional tubes for other battery configurations.
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epage.../SM-V3-SVR-FULL/SubProducts/SM-V3-SVR-FULL-SP
(180 pounds)
And the tank, designed for it:
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epage...=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Products/SM-KF-3.1-KIT-B
(113 pounds for the FULL atomizer, there are also different finishes available.)
And, if 4.5 mil juice isnt enough in your tank, you can increase it to 10 mil or even 15 mil with these two...
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epage...th=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Products/SM-KF-3.1-EXT
(7 pounds)
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epage...hops/yxve46fvrnud/Products/SM-KF-3.1-TANK-LRG
(16 pounds)
And, if you want to put your mouthpiece at a 45 degree angle, theres this.
http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epage...bjectPath=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Products/SM-BEN
(9 pounds)
Insane...
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I have to say I've liked all my mods except for the Blu's, but at least they got my foot in the door. Yes, I have a ProVari and I love it, but I think I even like my Tesla more and it was half the price. I just like the size and the super cool design of the Tesla. It seems to be one of those devices that people love or hate. Like has been said, we all have different needs. I tend to chain vape so I have to go for industrial-strength high-capacity commercial grade stuff in order to stay off the cigs. 
OK, I'll chime in on this one....
If someone likes a Provari, then more power to them. If they recommend it to a newbie, that is their right as well. Any newbie would be best served to look into it for themselves, and decide if it makes sense for them. I can't imagine any reason a newbie would want such an expensive device.
My go-to, everyday, out and about device is an 450 mAh eGo mini KO, or a Kanger EVOD battery either one with an EVOD clearo. I vape 50/50 18 mg/ml at approximately 3.7 volts on a 2.5 ohm coil (or about 5.5 watts). I get great vapor and flavor (for me).
At home, I have an eVic and an MVP that I usually use at about the same range (5.5-6 watts) on EVODs, T3s, or a Protank. All my coils ar 2.5 ohm. I actually prefer the MVP over the eVic, and I don't know why.
If anyone asks my opinion, I'll tell them. I may offer suggestions as well.
But what I won't do, is tell someone they need a super premium battery to make a coil hot.
YMMV
BTW, I carry two mini 450 KO eGos batteries and two 2.5 ohm EVODs in an Altoids tin everyday at work. One I vape, the other is a backup, and the backup is tomorrows carry, and a new EVOD goes in the tin for the backup (and I just repeat that every day). I have lots of EVODs with different flavors, and I rotate the flavors as I rotate the EVODs. All my liquids are 50/50 18 mg/ml, and all my coils are 2.5 ohm.
If that makes me a non-pro, then so be it (but I'm very happy with what I am doing, and I haven't had a stinky in over six months). I also have converted (by example) lots of people here at work.
No Provari hate, but no need for a Provari either.
YMMV-> 2
If someone likes a Provari, then more power to them. If they recommend it to a newbie, that is their right as well. Any newbie would be best served to look into it for themselves, and decide if it makes sense for them. I can't imagine any reason a newbie would want such an expensive device.
My go-to, everyday, out and about device is an 450 mAh eGo mini KO, or a Kanger EVOD battery either one with an EVOD clearo. I vape 50/50 18 mg/ml at approximately 3.7 volts on a 2.5 ohm coil (or about 5.5 watts). I get great vapor and flavor (for me).
At home, I have an eVic and an MVP that I usually use at about the same range (5.5-6 watts) on EVODs, T3s, or a Protank. All my coils ar 2.5 ohm. I actually prefer the MVP over the eVic, and I don't know why.
If anyone asks my opinion, I'll tell them. I may offer suggestions as well.
But what I won't do, is tell someone they need a super premium battery to make a coil hot.
YMMV
BTW, I carry two mini 450 KO eGos batteries and two 2.5 ohm EVODs in an Altoids tin everyday at work. One I vape, the other is a backup, and the backup is tomorrows carry, and a new EVOD goes in the tin for the backup (and I just repeat that every day). I have lots of EVODs with different flavors, and I rotate the flavors as I rotate the EVODs. All my liquids are 50/50 18 mg/ml, and all my coils are 2.5 ohm.
If that makes me a non-pro, then so be it (but I'm very happy with what I am doing, and I haven't had a stinky in over six months). I also have converted (by example) lots of people here at work.
No Provari hate, but no need for a Provari either.
YMMV-> 2
You might want to re watch the video, I used the 4.6v as an example. It's long been known how vamos and other 33mhz chipped devices regulate voltage. So do some research, there’s a very long winded thread on it, they compare a Vamo and Provari on an Oscope. If you can’t make it past the forth page of it, don’t worry, neither could I. In the Pbusardo review, take a close look at the Oscope screen, he says here it is at 4 volts.........and the actual voltage is?.........that’s right 5.89 peak volts. Some folks say they can taste the difference, that the rapid pulsing high voltage causes a rough taste, I can't taste it. The buzzing does make my fillings hurt. I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending a vamo to any of my friends because of the reasons I already stated in my other comment #279. And it’s got nothing to do with how it regulates voltage. I need a strong and reliable Mod that will work when I need it to. And in my experience the Vamo is definitely not that Mod.
And thats my opinion
P.S. I just reread my last sentence and as you pointed out, it did sound pretty ...... ish. I apoligise as that was not my intention.
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Ill rewatch the video a bit later, not in a situation where I can watch videos atm.
So, what other options are out there for quality variable wattage? Does the Semovar fit this bill?
This REALLY takes my original question to another level, I have mad respect for the Provari as Im beginning to read more and understand what is REALLY going on. Not that I didnt like my Provari before but now I like it even more, if such a thing is possible.
While your explanation is really inaccurate to what is really going on, the effect of what the Vamo is doing vs the Provari is pretty clear. The Provari provides a smoother vape while the Vamo provides a much more harsh vape.
As I stated before, I have NOT had an opportunity to use my Vamo yet so I cant say this from experience.
Im sad that I may have wasted the money on a Vamo, now the question is, what DOES offer the same quality vape as the Provari with VW as an option...
And I assume this is the thread you were referring to...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html
By the way, I have an unused Evic sitting here, I wonder if this fits the bill...
Ok, I plugged in the evic and updated the firmware to 1.1, plugged in my tank and set it to 8 watts, it is a much different vape than my Provari.
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Variable Wattage? Did someone say Quality Variable Wattage?
There is a gem called the DNA20.
The best review I've seen is by Mr. PBusardo on the OpusD, one of the vaping devices utilizing this Evolv chip. He reviews the device as well as the DNA20 and it's features in the video.
I don't know of any tube mods using it on the market YET, but there is a variety of box mods.....and a few waiting lists.
It's not just Quality Variable Wattage (from the 8-20 watt range), it's in a WOW range. To me the difference in the DNA20 from any other VW chip has been obvious. (I've never had a Nivel to compare)
Don't take my word -- check out the video for the particulars.
There is a gem called the DNA20.
The best review I've seen is by Mr. PBusardo on the OpusD, one of the vaping devices utilizing this Evolv chip. He reviews the device as well as the DNA20 and it's features in the video.
I don't know of any tube mods using it on the market YET, but there is a variety of box mods.....and a few waiting lists.
It's not just Quality Variable Wattage (from the 8-20 watt range), it's in a WOW range. To me the difference in the DNA20 from any other VW chip has been obvious. (I've never had a Nivel to compare)
Don't take my word -- check out the video for the particulars.
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So provari is not for me but for sure its a great device for another. My point is to see not only the pluses for our equipment but also the minus.
Considering that you're fortunate enough to live in the holy mech mecca of the universe, of course you don't need a Provari. Surely you must already have half a dozen GG's.
Considering that you're fortunate enough to live in the holy mech mecca of the universe, of course you don't need a Provari. Surely you must already have half a dozen GG's.
Its not a good thing to live in Greece the last 2-3 years (all the universe is blaming us for the economical crisis. Even St. Spielberg's ET done that...) but its a great thing that you can get into the car drive 15 minutes and discuss face to face with some of the greatest vape mechanic magicians.
For me the right way is dna20 because I want the Vw more then the "purity" of mechs. But I like the tube more than the box and dna20 in a tube is not so common even 8-9 months after the first sale for dna20. Nowadays in greece a new ss tube with DNA 20 is on production (out of stock off course. El3v8tor is the name) and some others are on the way. So I am waiting.
If DNA wasn't on sale I would propably close my eyes and go for a provari. But not for now.
It's at 1.3 now.
If you want a really different vape experience get that and try playing around with RVW programs. That's the reason eVic beats out my Vamo for most things. Well, that and the clock.
So do I. I also like french toast, pancakes, egg mcMuffins and on special occasions, eggs benedict, even tho I can't spell it!
(I also enjoy a variety of mods/APV's and atomizing devices. I have a mod for every occasion!)
I also like french toast, pancakes, egg mcMuffins and on special occasions, eggs benedict, even tho I can't spell it! (I also enjoy a variety of mods/APV's and atomizing devices. I have a mod for every occasion!)
You guys just cloned the Belgian waffle. And your hot dogs are just clones of German sausages.
OK, I think I can put this thread to rest now.
The BEST mod, right now, BY FAR, is.......uhhhh......(I forget the name)........that new thingy with the flashlight attachment. Provari Shmovari. Variable wattage, variable SCHMATTAGE.
Multi-function mods are IN.
The BEST mod, right now, BY FAR, is.......uhhhh......(I forget the name)........that new thingy with the flashlight attachment. Provari Shmovari. Variable wattage, variable SCHMATTAGE.
Multi-function mods are IN.
I have no first hand experience with the Evic, so I cant really comment, it does appear to be pretty advanced. I like the idea of the vape profile setting thingy, conceivably you could replicate the vape that a low gauge low resistance coil gives you, a ramped hit. I have a lot of high hopes for DNA 20D and Nivel (semovar). If we could get some more tube mods from reputable companies on the market, maybe Provape will listen a bit more to the market. I have used box mods using both chips, The Nivel didn't seem to offer much more other than VW over the Provari. The DNA 20D was pretty nice and and my next Mod will definitely utilize the chip. The Nivel could be great but it was in a home made Altoids Mod, and I had trouble with the menu and button. Not a fair way to form an opinion so I will have to wait till I can get one in my hands. In my earlier post I said the Vamo was inaccurate which was kind of misleading. It's perfectly accurate in it's ability to read coil resistance and voltage. It's how it powers the coils I don't like. I personally feel that way it fires the coils puts undo stress on them and leads to premature failure. That's just my feelings, and honestly since I rebuild everything I wouldn't let shorter coil life guide my mod buying decision. A lot of my buddies vape Z maxes, the Telemax being the favored version. Other than a few button failures, they have proven to be pretty sturdy. I don't think there is a "Best" VV/VW device out there. Just like there is no "Best" car. You pick the one that tickles your fancy, hopefully after some research, then "you pays your money and you takes your chances".
Whats with waffles, am I the only one who thinks their over rated? I mean french toast covers like three of the food groups. Not to mention Monte Cristo sandwiches, the pinnacle of breakfast food, and a perfectly legitimate way to enjoy french toast at lunch.
Mine does the dishes if I set it on the kitchen counter next to the sink, plus it fixes my bad credit scores and negates all side effects from all those pharmaceuticals you see advertised on TV.
It's call the Provamokinelli 268 and it's powered by Leprechaun farts (leprechaun not included).
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