When certain Dr.s are against vaping,
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Tho....
There's the benefit/risk factor...
30 yr smoker on the verge of emphysema ... doctor should ecstaticly support an alternative with potential to be an end to nicotine use completely
15 yr old kid wanting to look cool... stern look over glasses and a short lecture
I must commend your holistic approach to potential dangers vs. The constant parroting of what we don't know that we don't know for sure. Bravo
Tapatyped
anyone remember the movie " The Evil ...."?
wonders if there will be a remake... " The Evil Vape"
wonders if there will be a remake... " The Evil Vape"
That is great that your Doctor is happy about your vaping! I wish mine were! I smoked for 33 years switched over to vaping 4 years ago and actually quit nicotine 2 years ago. I have only had 1 Doctor during that time that was interested in learning about vaping and thought it was great that I had switched to vaping!
When I told my Primary Care that I had quit smoking and was vaping she said "you realize you are still smoking right?". It did not matter to her what was in vaping she still sees it as smoking.
When I went to see my Cardiologist (who I haven't had to see for several years) he asked about smoking and I told him I had quit and then he said "yes, but you were using an electronic cigarette". So he obviously sees it as smoking also.
So, to avoid the usual "smoking lecture" I just tell the Doctors I quit using nicotine 2 years ago. I don't mention that I still vape.
I had to have some lung function tests a year ago and the Medical Tech doing the tests also Vaped (and knew several people like me that vaped without nicotine). So we got to talking and he said that he had asked several Pulmonologists about vaping and they had told him that in their opinion it was a lot safer than smoking especially when you cut out the nicotine and without the nicotine they did not see it as any more harmful than breathing polluted air.
I wish the medical community was more informed about vaping and would actually encourage smokers to switch from analogs to electronic.
Bekka, some?......most?......all? doctors need a course on nicotine. If so bad for us, why the patches, gum, and lozenges over the counter? FDA approved. Why the research into the benefits for people with cognitive and digestive disabilities? Lots of info on the CASAA.org website they should study; but, unfortunately, a lot of docs take their "marching orders" from health organizations that are greatly funded by the pharmaceutical companies.
My Dr. is very happy that I quit smoking using vaping. She said she thought that was the best way for people to quit in her opinion. She also said that if I had come in and asked for chantix, she would have suggested vaping instead. She has never had good luck with it and also knowing I have a history of depression, it would not have been in my best interest.
My surgeon, before my back surgery, was more behind it than some. He compared it as smoking is like stabbing youself in the leg with a hunting knife vs vaping stabbing yourself in the leg with a small pen knife...thus being harm reduction. Still not 100% safe (I don't think anyone has ever said that that I know of) but it is much more safe than smoking.
Granted most are thinking about the money, luckily some understand it for what it is, a much better alternative to smoking.
My surgeon, before my back surgery, was more behind it than some. He compared it as smoking is like stabbing youself in the leg with a hunting knife vs vaping stabbing yourself in the leg with a small pen knife...thus being harm reduction. Still not 100% safe (I don't think anyone has ever said that that I know of) but it is much more safe than smoking.
Granted most are thinking about the money, luckily some understand it for what it is, a much better alternative to smoking.
After quitting smoking after a 38 year 2 or more pack a day habit at the end habit I did
have a improvement in my health. Of course no one ,me included can say this is 100%
proof that vaping is safe.The fact is no one can prove vaping is safe. The converse is
no one can prove vaping is harmful to otherwise healthy individuals. Chemical sensitivities
and allergies and pre-existing conditions are generally not considered health risks to those
that do not suffer from said conditions.
I personally would be more than willing to concede that there may be risks to vaping
if and when others would concede there may be no risks to vaping. It is as of now
a 50/50 shot. Is the glass half full or half empty and all of that.
Regards
Mike
From a UK perspective, my NHS doctor is ecstatic that I no longer smoke, and parrots "95% less harmful than smoking" stats at me when I remind him that it is most likely that vaping is probably somewhat unhealthy. Since taking up vaping about 3 years ago (or 4 - my ecf join date is when I started), I've had minor phlegm issues, but he refuses point blank to even consider that it could be caused by vaping. Am not gonna go back to smoking and he knows it, and my lung capacity has almost doubled, but his reaction suggests, to me at least, that there is policy to avoid inferring that there could be ANY downside to vaping. I totally understand that on a public health level, but it makes me a little concerned that potentially useful information is being ignored.
That sounds good on paper, but just doesn't hold up to real life experiences. What you posted is the way that it is supposed to work, NOT the way that it does work. Just look back a few years ago and you will find where a BIG drug company was intentionally making and selling for a big discount medications to some African (I think it was) countries as FULL strength medicines and the people were just getting sicker and dying. Finally the scam was revealed and the WHO had fits and all kinds of hearings and law suits followed. It was a well known drug company. If memory serves me correctly, the story just went away. I didn't ever hear what happened to the drug company, maybe someone here who has a better memory that I do now a days can chime in with the details.
Not that you NEED to have your doctors on board, it would be nice to find out why they have their opinions.
I am a PITA patient. I try my best to educate myself on everything related to MY health, and I question my doctor on everything. (Currently only on one medication, we had a long discussion about medications when I first went to his practice and he knows how I feel about them). If he offers an opinion or solution, I want to know where he's coming from. For what I and my insurance company are paying for my health, I think I deserve to get my money's worth.
Actually I find that statement very wrong. My Daddy, along with every other person I know with depression, had suicidal thoughts while on antidepressants. Actually those pills made it a whole lot worse. Several of those I knew went on a downward spiral while on them a fell through with the suicide. So it is a lot less rare than you say. Those damn pills make folks crazy. I hope it doesn't offend you that I disagree but facts are facts.
I really miss my dad... I hate those 
pills.I was gonna say something like this but less eloquently so here *copypaste* devil's advocate if you will, and focusing on this particular issue (vaping) apart from other issues (medications)
Western medicine sickens me.
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In all fairness, no, they are not breaking that oath.
Recommending against vaping in an of itself is not harmful.
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It is quite obvious, that in the abscence of adding anything else, vaping is less healthy than not vaping. I mean, seriously, we didn't evolve to breathe PG and VG, nor nicotine.
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So being against it does not violate that oath. Now if they are telling you to smoke cigarettes instead of vaping, you might have a point, but I've never met or heard of a doctor who said to do that. I mean most doctors would prefer you did neither.
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So, how do you justify, this as causing harm and violating their oath?
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