When FDA to Vote on Eliquid Ban
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I disagree. Icke is not a plant. He's an honest researcher but he's also very interested in Consciousness and multidimensional awareness. I always qualify any statement I make about Icke with 'whatever you think of him...' but, as a trained anthropologist and linguist, I have to admit there are unexplainable [even in the field, any honest biological anthropologist will tell you] jumps in our evolution. My training in theoretical and applied linguistics, mainly morphology, phonology, and syntax, has been useful for looking into things like the Sumerian tablets, and others. We can discuss this elsewhere, though. My point was that his philosophy about feeling powerless being an illusion is a good one. We aren't powerless. We have as much power as we choose to take.
as far as the reptilian case, here's an interesting [really, it's very interesting] investigation: PLAUSIBLE POINTS FOR THE REPTILIAN CASE (2/22) - YouTube
By the way, just PM me, but have you ever read David Icke's books? This goes for the other guy who blatantly insulted me for mentioning Icke. Have you ever read his books? or did you just hear the word 'reptile' and then mindlessly yell 'nutjob!' that type of ignorance is insulting and sad. I challenge anyone who insults people for agreeing with David Icke to actually read one of his books with an open mind. Or watch this BBC documentary at least http://youtu.be/qcQzOZmJykk
People aren't crazy just because they believe different from you. That's hateful and ignorant and it makes you sound like a brutish, mindless fool. You remember how we were treated when e-cigs first came out? My wife still teases me a lot. And it hurts my feelings and makes me feel silly, even though she's probably joking. Squeegee your third eye, everyone. or fall back in with the herd. But in either case, my bloody point remains bloody valid! DONT let them make you think you have no power. You have all the power!
Once, myself and 16 other people stood outside a courthouse during the sentencing of a woman who was horrifically abusing pitbulls. Blood on the walls, dogs with open, infected wounds, dead dogs in trash bags out back and she was breeding them withou a license. She listed her facility as a 'rescue'. She was looking at a small fine for this. The judge was also going to give her the dogs back once she paid the fine. Because of our presence, because we demanded justice and refused to back down, she was given a three year sentence, a fine, her dogs were not given back, she will never be allowed to have dogs again, and the care of her children was also investigated (she was also neglecting them, which nobody really knew about, and had we not demanded justice, maybe nobody would have known) WE have all the power we need to keep our liberty!
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So, I don't want to sound stupid here, but I see that there is a lot of talk about NY. However, I am assuming that it would affect the whole nation. It does scare me. I am worried of first losing my vaping, and second paying crazy prices for stuff! I think I caught in here that you can "support" CASAA for no money. I know it sounds goofy, but I am in a tight spot right now cause of my medical bills. Anyway, I want to do what I can. I know I want to write some people too. Anyone else know how I can "freely" help to know I am making a fight against this? Thanks!
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Every time a state tries to pass legislation banning use of PVs or eliquids, it gives the anti-nicotine/tobacco zealots (ANTZ) traction to use against us in other states, so in my opinion, it's important to use every voice we have to let them know we aren't going to take it sitting down no matter where it happens- you've just added your voice to the battle cry, and that makes us all the louder. You are CASAA!
I think a lot of us in the US have been desensitized to believe that our voices don't matter- we need to wake up and speak out and demand the facts be heard and refuse to be marginalized by non-smokers who have no compassion or frame of reference for what we have had to overcome. PVs literally save lives, and they don't seem to get it, so its up to us to let them know.
I agree! I am ready to be heard on this topic all the way. Better believe I will be on the front lines for anything happening in my area and anywhere else I can! Feel free to let me know how I can help anyone! Because it is, and has always been, the support and unity of the vaping community from the get go that has helped so many of us and made us strong! And even though vaping is bigger than it ever has been before, I truly believe we are still Pioneers in this movement and lifestyle! And anything that has ever been victorious in History was because the Pioneers were strong! Vaping has literally saved my life, and taken harm from the lives around me!
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Hi All,
With all this talk of "deeming" and "banning" e-liquid a thought just came into my head... What about Lorillard? They have a massive amount of money and a vast lobbying staff. Are they not going to weigh in to "our" favor when they have a lot to lose if this FDA proposal goes through? Just a thought.
With all this talk of "deeming" and "banning" e-liquid a thought just came into my head... What about Lorillard? They have a massive amount of money and a vast lobbying staff. Are they not going to weigh in to "our" favor when they have a lot to lose if this FDA proposal goes through? Just a thought.
Ways to help that don't cost anything...
--Become a regional representative for CASAA
--Encourage others to join CASAA and get involved
Also, now that you've joined CASAA you will be receiving emails regarding Calls To Action.
Those come with instructions about what you can do to help.
Also you will be getting notification of member meetings.
The meetings are every other Sunday at 4:30pm PST and you can find out more ways to help in those meetings.
For example, I am looking into joining the CASAA Legislative Committee.
I DIY so i'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over it.... That doesn't mean there is not vendor's who's juice I love and when I can would want to buy from. Mostly I'm curious about a source? Where's the evidence the FDA wants to completely ban flavors across the entire USA? Seems a bit stupid if you ask me. Ban flavors for vaping better ban that cookie dough flavored vodka!( yes, really, I'm not joking. saw some when i picked up beer yesterday)
There is no hard evidence that they want to, but if they deem electronic cigarettes to be tobacco products by applying Chapter IX of the FSPTCA, then they COULD ban flavors if they wanted to. It definitely looks like they are eventually going to apply Chapter IX to electronic cigarettes, so the question remains what evidence is there that the FDA might then want to ban flavors? Well, they have already banned flavors for cigarettes. And all of the loudmouth jerks who are against electronic cigarettes are always complaining that the flavors are meant to attract children. Will all this happen? Only time will tell.
You know, I seen that regional rep thing and wasn't for sure what that was about, or if it would like take a ton of time (not that I mind, but you know, kids, work, etc.), however I wouldn't mind using my free time by any means. I also didn't know if it would cost, involve a ton of travel, etc. Or, if I were even qualified? But, I think I am going to go research that a bit more now and see if I can change that tonight.
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Okay, looked in to it more. Hopefully I will be able to fulfill my mission. I sent in my request to be a regional rep with CASAA!
i do a bit of DIY myself. i am under the impression that unflavored nic as well as flavored nic will be affected by the possible ban.
The worst case scenario is that they might restrict the sale of nicotine over the internet. There's nothing they can do to stop phone orders, or buying in-person.
I imagine that vendor websites would just become catalogs for mail-in orders or phone orders. Perhaps flavors will continue to be sold over the internet in 0 nic...
Once again, it is so ironic that a restriction of that kind would force people to handle nicotine solutions and mix them at home, further endangering people's health. I can just picture all of the elderly people with shaky hands trying to carefully drip a high-concentrate nic juice. That scenario, I think will make a great case against a restriction on low-moderate level nic juices online...
I imagine that vendor websites would just become catalogs for mail-in orders or phone orders. Perhaps flavors will continue to be sold over the internet in 0 nic...
Once again, it is so ironic that a restriction of that kind would force people to handle nicotine solutions and mix them at home, further endangering people's health. I can just picture all of the elderly people with shaky hands trying to carefully drip a high-concentrate nic juice. That scenario, I think will make a great case against a restriction on low-moderate level nic juices online...
IMHO, the FDA should not be allowed to implement ANY regulation that wasn't specified in the law without having irrefutable scientific proof that a) there is a problem and b) the proposed regulation will solve it without causing greater harm.
For example, the law specified that the FDA had to outlaw flavors other than "tobacco" and menthol for combusted cigarettes and that the FDA should study whether prohibiting menthol would be beneficial. There is no mandate in the law to outlaw flavors for any other product regulated under the Tobacco Act. To outlaw flavored smokeless tobacco or e-cigarette liquid, the FDA should be made to show scientific proof that prohibiting flavors will result in health improvements without causing any harm.
For example, the law specified that the FDA had to outlaw flavors other than "tobacco" and menthol for combusted cigarettes and that the FDA should study whether prohibiting menthol would be beneficial. There is no mandate in the law to outlaw flavors for any other product regulated under the Tobacco Act. To outlaw flavored smokeless tobacco or e-cigarette liquid, the FDA should be made to show scientific proof that prohibiting flavors will result in health improvements without causing any harm.
You are so right,but to find people in all the Districts is very difficult. Please send information to Cornyn. I have visited with staffers in 2 of his district offices. He is sensible.but he needs more people to send information,and GO to to one of his district offices and talk to a staffer. It is important every ecig consumer in Texas visit the closest District office or write a letter telling your story. Use the legislative packet on the CASAA site for information and write your letter in your own words. Don"t forget your State reps and Senators. The Legislature meets this year and there will be legislation proposed. Educate them before anything is proposed.
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I don't want to bump this thread to the top because its title is totally inaccurate and misleading, but I urge anyone interested in preventing the FDA from imposing unwarranted and potentially catastrophic regulations for e-cigarettes to read the following threads already started on this issue.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tobacco-products-including-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-all-tobacco-ads-including-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-deeming-premium-cigars-under-chapter-ix.htm
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tobacco-products-including-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-all-tobacco-ads-including-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-deeming-premium-cigars-under-chapter-ix.htm
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