The kids on my street have no trouble getting whatever they want. And I live in a good neighborhood. The parents of these kids are very busy people and can't be bothered to watch them. It seems like the cops bust up a drug party every week! And a few days later, all the kids have their drugs again!
When is the FDA thing going down?
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The kids on my street have no trouble getting whatever they want. And I live in a good neighborhood. The parents of these kids are very busy people and can't be bothered to watch them. It seems like the cops bust up a drug party every week! And a few days later, all the kids have their drugs again!
Everywhere I have ordered juice from online I have seen warning labels on the bottles. I have seen childproof bottles, or at least an option to have childproof bottles free of charge. American vendors seem to be using common sense when it comes to their products not to upset any government higher ups. We are not criminals! We just want to vape.
It should be a state by state decision, or maybe even county. I was informed before that the FDA doesn't apply taxes, it's the Feds and the state. I think it would be a great business decision to keep ecigs going! A nice job for electricians and machinists everywhere! We have much sought after American made mods on the market now! We have some awesome juice vendors who mix fresh to order! Why not take a little from the Chinese and run with it!
We aren't going to win that battle, because it is NOT about revenue, it is about Turf. And about TURF revenue, not overall revenue. The FDA is funded by charging companies millions of $$ to get permission to blink. So they are not going to let blinking stay legal if they have the "authority" to sit and chant "Deeeeeeemmmmm, deeeeeeemmmmmm" AHA, I've had a revelation! ecigs are tobacco products and need fees to blink!
AND they are medically-minded. With medicines, people DIE when a generic with the exact same active ingredients gets a different inactive ingredient that affects the absorption rate. With ecigs if we don't like the aborption rate, next time we order from a different vendor.
The FDA is gonna end it...it's gonna happen
So, instead of ONLY saying we are safe (true) and do not need to be regulated except for recalls for bad contaminants, we need to have smaller arguments for pieces of the issue. If a court battle fails we need to try for congressional hearings. They don't like us, but I bet the House would love to go after regulators!
We need to show why "substantial equivalence" is considered life-and-death, CORRECTLY, by the FDA for medicines but is not applicable to ecigs.
Same with dosage levels.
Same with efficacy.
We also need to start chanting "Trends show that continued ecig innovotion could quite likely END the centuries-old SMOKING EPIDEMIC. So...why is the FDA trying to stop that?"
Because the media are going to be the final arbiters here, IMO.
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if we step up on manufacturing ecigs in OUR country, and buy US, British, or European made, and not rely on China, we may have half a chance! China is under fire over their quality control practices. I think that is what started all this in the first place. Instead of saying "We have the right to vape!" We should be saying "You fools! This is income and tax money going into our dying economy! This is putting people in business, feeding our families, and creating jobs!" Sounds like selling out, I know, but that is the only language government understands. Seems to be working for the other stuff that is becoming more legal.
if we step up on manufacturing ecigs in OUR country, and buy US, British, or European made, and not rely on China, we may have half a chance! China is under fire over their quality control practices. I think that is what started all this in the first place. Instead of saying "We have the right to vape!" We should be saying "You fools! This is income and tax money going into our dying economy! This is putting people in business, feeding our families, and creating jobs!" Sounds like selling out, I know, but that is the only language government understands. Seems to be working for the other stuff that is becoming more legal.
First FDA cannot tax. Only congress can tax.
Im sure the FDA is watching what is happening in states as they bring up new laws to be passed, they are seeing the fight im sure. What FDA does is regulate for quality control, consistancy,effectiveness. Their whole job is to protect the public. Now in that they do have greasy palms and do let BD have their way alot. But that has come back to bite them in the past.
We cannot stop fighting at state level just because of what the Feds might do. CASAA need more to beaware of what is going on state to state. Its at state level right now you can loose your rights to use e-cigs, look at California right now they are trying to do away with using an e-cig if you rent. and many other things. We need to educate where we can, tell our storys of how we got to where we are at with not smoking and give facts.
OK was a huge win for us. And we need to keep it up!
How can they take away your right to vape if you rent. Install cams in your apt. Rules are meant to be broken. Especially ones that can no be enforced. No smell in your apt to give it away.
Can you imagine getting a ticket for vaping at the beach?
How about in a public park?
Are all of your neighbors friendly? What if one sees you vaping while walking from your car to your apartment, or while out on your balcony. All it would take is a whistle blower to place a call to the police.
It shouldn't have to come down to this stupidity. We need to educate people that what we are using is not smoke or combustion in origin, and is not harmful to others or a fire hazzard.
E-cigs fall into the same category as cigarettes in my city. "Smoking" is illegal in certain outdoor areas, including public meeting places such as Fountain Square and certain designated sections in city parks deemed to be smoke free.
Good to know. I don't go down to Cincy much, but I thought they'd be ten years behind the times on the law as they are with everything else
"If the world comes to an end, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything comes there ten years later." -Attributed to Mark Twain.
If a person sees me walking to my car that's not inside my apartment. It's out side, the apartment thing makes no sense. I stood up to a cop and won last year he was like no smoking and I was like its not smoking and he backed off. I think it comes down to fear. Fear of the unknown. It's lame. But we will overcome.
Where is the proof?! What if they look in your window and see you vaping in your bedroom? That's a privacy issue and you have a peeping Tom on your hands now
There are laws against that. There is no written in stone policy on vaping at my job, therefore I vape in the bathroom. If someone sees me vaping through the small openings of the stall, I have more of a case on them peeking in on me than they do with my vaping! A can of worms they do not want to open! What, they cite you for having a device. Can they prove you used it there? It is one's word against another.
It'll be curious to see what happens.. I am hoping that what we will see is mostly just common sense regulation. Nicotine is a drug, and a powerful and additive one at that. There SHOULD be controls in place to make sure the practice is safe and regulated.
I can only bring to bear my experience... I smoked for 20 years and struggled to fine a way out. My gray matter was hooked on the nic high and the little devil on my shoulder kept drawing me back in. Vaping solved that. I haven't smoked a cigarette in months, and I would not have been able to do that without e-cigs. It was frighteningly easy for me to do that too... I had an outlet. E-cigs silenced that voice that said "One more pack... just smoke a couple"
Sure, it'd be nice to not have any kind of dependency. But I'd rather have to deal with it in a way that is far better for me, my lungs and my life. I think, or hope, that the FDA is well aware of the benefits and the consequences if they just go midieval and ban it outright.
I can only bring to bear my experience... I smoked for 20 years and struggled to fine a way out. My gray matter was hooked on the nic high and the little devil on my shoulder kept drawing me back in. Vaping solved that. I haven't smoked a cigarette in months, and I would not have been able to do that without e-cigs. It was frighteningly easy for me to do that too... I had an outlet. E-cigs silenced that voice that said "One more pack... just smoke a couple"
Sure, it'd be nice to not have any kind of dependency. But I'd rather have to deal with it in a way that is far better for me, my lungs and my life. I think, or hope, that the FDA is well aware of the benefits and the consequences if they just go midieval and ban it outright.
Similar experience here.
I spent a good while the other day talking to someone who works in a tobacco prevention program for my county. She expressed concerns about it being a gateway with yummy flavors. It's an understandable position for her, much as I don't think anyone would go from yummy flavors to crap.
Anyway, I plan to update her regularly. She's aware of what ecigs have done for me, and she even had a chance to check out some of my gear. I'm hoping that I can use her (and a few other contacts) to influence any potential issues at the local level.
Not sire what the FDA will do, but I'm hoping for good news.
LOL. I gotta say, thats a great point. I never thought about it in that way. Stinkys absolutely taste like crap period. Really e-cigs are a far superior product as far as I am concerned! Maybe cigarettes should be banned as they may be a gateway to e-cigs. Take that ANTZ people!!(sarcasm)
You're making me consider moving there.Good to know. I don't go down to Cincy much, but I thought they'd be ten years behind the times on the law as they are with everything else
"If the world comes to an end, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything comes there ten years later." -Attributed to Mark Twain.
The Big Red Machine was always my favorite team, and Pete Rose my favorite player.
Off to Google up some Cincinnati information.
I do need a place to retire to.
You live in sunny & warm San Diego and would consider living in the weather armpit known as Cincinnati?You're making me consider moving there.
The Big Red Machine was always my favorite team, and Pete Rose my favorite player.
Off to Google up some Cincinnati information.
I do need a place to retire to.
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