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I've only been vaping since April and haven't lost a battery yet. I'd definitely order replacements and then use the old ones while recharging the new ones. I can't say for sure but I'd say that once they're gone, they'll just die all at once. You sure don't want that to happen without a back up. I think I read somewhere that 510s are good for around 300 charges? Maybe that's the eGo battery, I can't be certain. At any rate, they aren't made to last forever. I just ordered an extra eGo battery to have when the batteries in my kit decide to bite the dust. I know I'd be smoking analogs if I'm ever caught without a PV.
Instead of throwing them away you might consider donating them to someone who can use the parts for making mods. I know a couple of people that could use them and I'm sure there are many others here.
Rechargeable li-ion batteries for any device have only so many charging cycles in them. You may have noticed this with cell phone and laptop batteries. Their runtime gets shorter and shorter as they approach end of life.
They prefer partial discharge to full discharge so "topping off" your batteries before they get fully drained is probably a good idea. Excessive heat will shorten their life, so don't leave them sitting out in the sun. Simple age will also degrade their performance - even if it's hardly been used, an old battery won't hold a charge for long, because their internal chemistry changes over time regardless of usage. So try to buy fresh, newly manufactured batteries from places that turn over inventory quickly, and don't bother stockpiling a few years' worth.
If you've had 6 months from two batteries - I'd say congratulations!
Mine are only two months old and they're starting to show their age.
They prefer partial discharge to full discharge so "topping off" your batteries before they get fully drained is probably a good idea. Excessive heat will shorten their life, so don't leave them sitting out in the sun. Simple age will also degrade their performance - even if it's hardly been used, an old battery won't hold a charge for long, because their internal chemistry changes over time regardless of usage. So try to buy fresh, newly manufactured batteries from places that turn over inventory quickly, and don't bother stockpiling a few years' worth.
If you've had 6 months from two batteries - I'd say congratulations!
Mine are only two months old and they're starting to show their age.
Mine too VC...don't think ours are going to make it even close to 6 months!!
How to prolong lithium-based batteries
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.
Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.
Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.
Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)
Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Simple Guidelines
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.
Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.
Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.
Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)
Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge.
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I second this idea. Surely you know someone who mods that could use one. Gather several and they might build you one when you give them a bunch!!!
So when I notice the vapor/flavor/th/drag feeling start to diminish, I know it's time to change the battery! 
I am cycling 4 batteries right now between 2 atomizers; 1 for tobacco flavz and 1 for clove flavz. Is that too many batteries in play?
I am cycling 4 batteries right now between 2 atomizers; 1 for tobacco flavz and 1 for clove flavz. Is that too many batteries in play?
Four batteries in rotation doesn't sound like too many to me. I recently added a third (sit & go passthrough) and just ordered another dual 510 starter kit at less than the cost of replacement parts... intend to use them all in rotation together. Regular 510s are rather small capacity batteries, I have been recharging them all several times a day.
I knew about the shorter battery life before I even ordered, though, didn't you?
I knew I didn't want to be puffing on a toothbrush, and I knew if I ordered, say, a Blu, that I'd be dealing not only with short-lived batteries but with cartomizers also! No way!
For me, the e510 is a perfect compromise. And seriously, the batteries last long enough, IMO; 2-4 hours easily when I am doing stuff and can vape at will, or the whole work shift, which is what I wanted.
Plus carrying two of them around with me (check out the "e510 case mod for $1.50" thread in tips&tricks), I don't vape on either one exclusively, but rather casually and dependent on the moment whether I want tobacco or clove flavor. Those 2 e-cigs on full charges each can withstand a night out without a swap/recharge.
Of course, I have the heaven-gifts PCC (it's pretty cool but only pretty cool) and the USB passthrough is just convenient for times like now...
RE: performance - all seem to be working well as they are basically new at just under 4 weeks old. I guess we'll see degradation of performance over the next few months, but I will do my best to preserve their service-life and because I am cheap, probably only replace them when they become an annoyance.
How about you guys? Wanna donate some "gently used" e510 batteries to a guy that will wring them dry? PM or I'll have to check out the classified and Pay-It-Forward sections of this forum. SOOOOOOooooo.... much information here to be absorbed.
@VaporChef - yeah, when I need replacement parts, I am just going to order starter kits, too. I like your nick. Are you planning on getting into mixing? I've been mixing for a few weeks since I started vaping, but slow going so far as I am more-or-less formally inexperienced and very conscious of waste/scrap. Pretty much right now I am researching about 5 different flavor families by reading and gathering data. I have a couple prototypes that I am extremely proud of, also... (bows) Maybe we could talk shop later if you wanted. See ya!
I knew I didn't want to be puffing on a toothbrush, and I knew if I ordered, say, a Blu, that I'd be dealing not only with short-lived batteries but with cartomizers also! No way!
For me, the e510 is a perfect compromise. And seriously, the batteries last long enough, IMO; 2-4 hours easily when I am doing stuff and can vape at will, or the whole work shift, which is what I wanted.
Plus carrying two of them around with me (check out the "e510 case mod for $1.50" thread in tips&tricks), I don't vape on either one exclusively, but rather casually and dependent on the moment whether I want tobacco or clove flavor. Those 2 e-cigs on full charges each can withstand a night out without a swap/recharge.
Of course, I have the heaven-gifts PCC (it's pretty cool but only pretty cool) and the USB passthrough is just convenient for times like now...
RE: performance - all seem to be working well as they are basically new at just under 4 weeks old. I guess we'll see degradation of performance over the next few months, but I will do my best to preserve their service-life and because I am cheap, probably only replace them when they become an annoyance.
How about you guys? Wanna donate some "gently used" e510 batteries to a guy that will wring them dry? PM or I'll have to check out the classified and Pay-It-Forward sections of this forum. SOOOOOOooooo.... much information here to be absorbed.
@VaporChef - yeah, when I need replacement parts, I am just going to order starter kits, too. I like your nick. Are you planning on getting into mixing? I've been mixing for a few weeks since I started vaping, but slow going so far as I am more-or-less formally inexperienced and very conscious of waste/scrap. Pretty much right now I am researching about 5 different flavor families by reading and gathering data. I have a couple prototypes that I am extremely proud of, also... (bows) Maybe we could talk shop later if you wanted. See ya!
Hey Bombenhagel - yes, I got my first 510 kit on May 15 and my first batch of DIY equipment the following week. I had the perfect starter kit of flavors in my kitchen - a dozen LorAnns for making butter cookies! Right from the beginning, I planned to do DIY. I'm a foodie, thus a flavor junkie, thus my handle choice.
It's taken a LOT of time and reading just to figure out the learning curve on basic equipment. I wanted to put my $ into juices, not mods, and leave tobacco tastes behind ASAP. (First two bottles w/ kit were Virginia and French Vanilla, which I alternated like you did.) The 510 seemed to be the best all-around choice despite the shorter battery life, which I did know about thanks to ECF. Fortunately I found this forum before buying anything. Just wish I'd had time to discover sales and coupon codes before that first purchase!
My batteries are getting pretty short in their cycles by now because of DIY - tasting new mixes means frequent atty cleaning when you've only got two, and dry burns are hard on batteries. But they were all I had until I got the sit & go passthrough from MadVapes recently; though that's still only a 3.7 battery, the constant power does help, and no worries about popping atties using 5v. I can't!
Thanks for mentioning the "case mod for $1.50" thread. Very interesting! I was going to go store-stalking after reading it yesterday but I received a supplier gift of a slim case with my just-arrived new kit! It has a nice flat clip on the back. I got pretty blue 510s this time - so it'll be easy to keep track of the new batteries. I plan to really baby these blues to see how long I can make them last.
Note, the vendor I got this new kit from said he's been using about eight 510s in rotation (along with various other models) and all his equipment is still working fine after a year. He also cautioned me to do the initial charge of 8 hours like it says in the Joye instructions. I was too impatient to strictly follow the Joye charging instructions for both batteries on my first kit, I only did it for one. Doesn't seem to have made any difference, but...
I just reread those instructions, and it does say to recharge for at least one hour even if the light turns green before then. So I may have shortened their life with briefer recharges, due to panic/cravings when both batteries were drained! I'll be more diligent with these new ones and hope it improves on my initial experience. (I'm from New England and though we call it "thrift" - I'm actually cheaper than a skinflint. Pennies roll away in fear when they see me coming.)
Do please PM me and we'll compare mixing notes! That would be really great (and better than hijacking this thread OT).
It's taken a LOT of time and reading just to figure out the learning curve on basic equipment. I wanted to put my $ into juices, not mods, and leave tobacco tastes behind ASAP. (First two bottles w/ kit were Virginia and French Vanilla, which I alternated like you did.) The 510 seemed to be the best all-around choice despite the shorter battery life, which I did know about thanks to ECF. Fortunately I found this forum before buying anything. Just wish I'd had time to discover sales and coupon codes before that first purchase!
My batteries are getting pretty short in their cycles by now because of DIY - tasting new mixes means frequent atty cleaning when you've only got two, and dry burns are hard on batteries. But they were all I had until I got the sit & go passthrough from MadVapes recently; though that's still only a 3.7 battery, the constant power does help, and no worries about popping atties using 5v. I can't!
Thanks for mentioning the "case mod for $1.50" thread. Very interesting! I was going to go store-stalking after reading it yesterday but I received a supplier gift of a slim case with my just-arrived new kit! It has a nice flat clip on the back. I got pretty blue 510s this time - so it'll be easy to keep track of the new batteries. I plan to really baby these blues to see how long I can make them last.
Note, the vendor I got this new kit from said he's been using about eight 510s in rotation (along with various other models) and all his equipment is still working fine after a year. He also cautioned me to do the initial charge of 8 hours like it says in the Joye instructions. I was too impatient to strictly follow the Joye charging instructions for both batteries on my first kit, I only did it for one. Doesn't seem to have made any difference, but...
I just reread those instructions, and it does say to recharge for at least one hour even if the light turns green before then. So I may have shortened their life with briefer recharges, due to panic/cravings when both batteries were drained! I'll be more diligent with these new ones and hope it improves on my initial experience. (I'm from New England and though we call it "thrift" - I'm actually cheaper than a skinflint. Pennies roll away in fear when they see me coming.)
Do please PM me and we'll compare mixing notes! That would be really great (and better than hijacking this thread OT).
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I got my first 510 back in January and both batteries lasted until last month when one went through the wash and the other has the 20 puff or so short life described by others here. Now I only use 1 battery and a passthrough, but I don't vape much till I get home and have access to the passthrough.
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