I posted the official response I got from the government in the legislation section of this forum. I went into quite some detail there. They are very unmoving on the subject. They require submission of the specific vaporization devices from the original manufacturers for every device on the market. It's quite unreasonable.
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Of course it is; they're THE GOVERNMENT! Nothing they do is reasonable. Didja see how they shut down the government, because they didn't like the guys on the other side of the aisle?
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very long and this is just my opinion. i don't speak for anyone else. Meds vs ecigs and the damage done. Comparison.
Me, I'm laying track for the underground railroad. Here's what I think of the FDA(I hold my little finger up.) So, I've been treated for Bipolar Disorder for over three decades. I know meds and I know more about my meds than my doctors do. It's my ..., not theirs.
80+ % of drugs sold in America are generics. If anyone thinks they are always as good as brand are delusional. One psychiatrist told me there was up to 45% variance in generics. That is not what the FDA says and they are wrong or lying or both!
The government says I can't buy meds out of Canada. Well, generics of the same med are made in several countries with different regulations. They are supposed to have the same dose of the active ingredient but they all use different fillers and a few had no active ingredients at all.
The generic for Wellbutrin is called bupropion (Bioequivalent, not really.) I have a close friend with PTSD and depression. Wellbutrin helped her tremendously. On disability, she had to go to generic and she was in bed for two months before her doc finally called the mfg and said, she has to have brand. She's been doing well for 7 years. There was a second generic that was on the market when many reports of seizure's surfaced. I saw a video on YT that a lady from the FDA said, we could not do studies on this drug using healthy volunteers because they might get seizures. did they immediately pull it from the market? Nope. Took a while. they were busted. Where's the logic? This happened recently.
I've had serious allergic reactions to the binders, and the drugs. I've been hospitalized with Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome(often fatal.) Spent 6 days in the hospital with fevers that would go from normal to over 104 in 15 minutes. don't want to write a book here but I have been on over 60 medications and thousands of combinations trying to control this beast.
My point is that the FDA approves drugs with very short periods of testing on humans. The drug is then on the market and that's where they find many of the side effects. From us lab rats. The older the drug, the more side effects are listed because patients had them.
So, these drugs are rushed to the marketplace. When Prozac, the first SSRI, and others started getting patients "brain zaps" while they tried to titrate off of the drug. Psychiatrists didn't believe us. They do now.
The FDA are half-***ing research on extremely powerful drugs but have what? 400 pages of deeming regulations on ecigs. It's a paid in full vendetta against a product that will save millions of people and BT are the angels. The sugar daddies. Pull those ecigs so only BT owns the market. This, in my mind, is manslaughter.
When my psychiatrist says, I think we should try this. Always we. I get the script, go home a research the hell out of it, call him back and say try again. But usually I have to roll the dice. 1 in 5 bipolars complete suicide. I don't want to be next.
The FDA is botching the jobs they have now. Why would I want to listen to them? Ecigs have been around a while. Has anyone had seizures from using them? Are vapers dropping dead from ecigs?
One more. There is a very popular mood stabilizer called Lamictal(Lamotrigine) It can cause Stevens-Johnson syndrome and sadly kids are much more likely than adults to get it. The rash is often treated in burn units. Skin turns black and peels off in chunks. This drug like all other drugs including not drug ecigs are taken or used on a risk/benefit basis. Those who get SJS often die. So the FDA puts a black box warning on the PI but psychiatrist write scripts for it everyday.
You might want to skip this graphic video but I'm trying to make a point. How can this drug still be used if it kills one person?
Then how can ecigs be banned? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408EPc-xwKs
So tell me, why are they keeping that med on the market? It's just one example. Unless my skin rots off from using ecigs or I show no side effects then why would I care what these bozo's think? Why do we pay $800 for a med that you can buy in Canada for $60? If memory serves, Bush signed a law that said the federal government cannot negotiate price with drug makers. One day, that could kill me, or you.
We want long term studies done on ecigs, right? Where are they?
I can only speak for myself here, no one else. And it ain't just about ecigs. It is my business to save my life because there is a huge disconnect here. Will the government win? Follow the money. I have no idea how these bottom feeders sleep at night.
They are willing to kill us and thousands of ecig businesses to get our stuff off the market. Can we say black market? Of course. That's when we will be arrested for trying to save our lives. This goes way beyond a ban.
We need a consumer protecting agency no doubt. But we don't need one with an agenda driven by money, politics, and stupidity.
I'm going to flag this post so mods can pull it if they don't want it on the forum.
Screw the FDA and the horse they rode in on.
Me, I'm laying track for the underground railroad. Here's what I think of the FDA(I hold my little finger up.) So, I've been treated for Bipolar Disorder for over three decades. I know meds and I know more about my meds than my doctors do. It's my ..., not theirs.
80+ % of drugs sold in America are generics. If anyone thinks they are always as good as brand are delusional. One psychiatrist told me there was up to 45% variance in generics. That is not what the FDA says and they are wrong or lying or both!
The government says I can't buy meds out of Canada. Well, generics of the same med are made in several countries with different regulations. They are supposed to have the same dose of the active ingredient but they all use different fillers and a few had no active ingredients at all.
The generic for Wellbutrin is called bupropion (Bioequivalent, not really.) I have a close friend with PTSD and depression. Wellbutrin helped her tremendously. On disability, she had to go to generic and she was in bed for two months before her doc finally called the mfg and said, she has to have brand. She's been doing well for 7 years. There was a second generic that was on the market when many reports of seizure's surfaced. I saw a video on YT that a lady from the FDA said, we could not do studies on this drug using healthy volunteers because they might get seizures. did they immediately pull it from the market? Nope. Took a while. they were busted. Where's the logic? This happened recently.
I've had serious allergic reactions to the binders, and the drugs. I've been hospitalized with Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome(often fatal.) Spent 6 days in the hospital with fevers that would go from normal to over 104 in 15 minutes. don't want to write a book here but I have been on over 60 medications and thousands of combinations trying to control this beast.
My point is that the FDA approves drugs with very short periods of testing on humans. The drug is then on the market and that's where they find many of the side effects. From us lab rats. The older the drug, the more side effects are listed because patients had them.
So, these drugs are rushed to the marketplace. When Prozac, the first SSRI, and others started getting patients "brain zaps" while they tried to titrate off of the drug. Psychiatrists didn't believe us. They do now.
The FDA are half-***ing research on extremely powerful drugs but have what? 400 pages of deeming regulations on ecigs. It's a paid in full vendetta against a product that will save millions of people and BT are the angels. The sugar daddies. Pull those ecigs so only BT owns the market. This, in my mind, is manslaughter.
When my psychiatrist says, I think we should try this. Always we. I get the script, go home a research the hell out of it, call him back and say try again. But usually I have to roll the dice. 1 in 5 bipolars complete suicide. I don't want to be next.
The FDA is botching the jobs they have now. Why would I want to listen to them? Ecigs have been around a while. Has anyone had seizures from using them? Are vapers dropping dead from ecigs?
One more. There is a very popular mood stabilizer called Lamictal(Lamotrigine) It can cause Stevens-Johnson syndrome and sadly kids are much more likely than adults to get it. The rash is often treated in burn units. Skin turns black and peels off in chunks. This drug like all other drugs including not drug ecigs are taken or used on a risk/benefit basis. Those who get SJS often die. So the FDA puts a black box warning on the PI but psychiatrist write scripts for it everyday.
You might want to skip this graphic video but I'm trying to make a point. How can this drug still be used if it kills one person?
Then how can ecigs be banned? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408EPc-xwKs
So tell me, why are they keeping that med on the market? It's just one example. Unless my skin rots off from using ecigs or I show no side effects then why would I care what these bozo's think? Why do we pay $800 for a med that you can buy in Canada for $60? If memory serves, Bush signed a law that said the federal government cannot negotiate price with drug makers. One day, that could kill me, or you.
We want long term studies done on ecigs, right? Where are they?
I can only speak for myself here, no one else. And it ain't just about ecigs. It is my business to save my life because there is a huge disconnect here. Will the government win? Follow the money. I have no idea how these bottom feeders sleep at night.
They are willing to kill us and thousands of ecig businesses to get our stuff off the market. Can we say black market? Of course. That's when we will be arrested for trying to save our lives. This goes way beyond a ban.
We need a consumer protecting agency no doubt. But we don't need one with an agenda driven by money, politics, and stupidity.
I'm going to flag this post so mods can pull it if they don't want it on the forum.
Screw the FDA and the horse they rode in on.
LOL oxygen theif. I was trying to read your post in the context of this thread - and boy oh boy... Good read, however. Also, in Canada, from experience - if you get a prescription for a drug, you will get exactly what your prescription is for. If the doctor prescribes Advil, you *will* get Advil. If your doctor prescribes ibuprofen, then you generally get the cheapest generic. I used ibuprofen as an example, 'cause it's OTC and everybody knows about it - but you know what I mean...
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Wow, OxygenThief,
You pretty well summed it up. This is probably the first time in quite awhile that I am speechless.
I think you would be a great advocate for the CASAA. I take your point and agree wholeheartedly. I feel your anger and frustration and I am so sorry that you have been through so much. Its not fair..
You pretty well summed it up. This is probably the first time in quite awhile that I am speechless.
I think you would be a great advocate for the CASAA. I take your point and agree wholeheartedly. I feel your anger and frustration and I am so sorry that you have been through so much. Its not fair..
Hey Oxygen,
I thought I would chime in with why generics and brand name are so different. Overall, the FDA is correct in that generics are a chemical equivalent for active ingredient. However, after discussing this with my Organic prof years back, he said its bull-crap. The chemicals may be the same thing, but a lot of drugs are formed through crystallization out of solution. During this crystallization the shape of the crystals can very. Pretty much all companies save seeding crystals to induce crystal formation of their preferred type. His words were that crystal shape can easily impact bioavailabity and absorption by up to 50%.
I thought I would chime in with why generics and brand name are so different. Overall, the FDA is correct in that generics are a chemical equivalent for active ingredient. However, after discussing this with my Organic prof years back, he said its bull-crap. The chemicals may be the same thing, but a lot of drugs are formed through crystallization out of solution. During this crystallization the shape of the crystals can very. Pretty much all companies save seeding crystals to induce crystal formation of their preferred type. His words were that crystal shape can easily impact bioavailabity and absorption by up to 50%.
I never knew that about generics vs brand -- I even participated in a market research thing in the 90s, when albuterol sulfate (asthma inhaler) had just gone to generic forms, and my opinion -- of that particular drug -- was that the generics were the same as the namebrand. However I now use Ventolin rather than generic, because when they went to the HFA formulation (save the ozone layer and screw the asthmatics!), the generics all taste like grain alcohol, and even brand-name Proventil has that taste, and as a recovering alkie, I can't abide it -- real Ventolin doesn't have that taste!
But I totally sympathize about those "brain zaps" -- I didn't experience that when I got off Prozac, in the late 80s, but when I tried coming off Effexor, around 2007, I got it in spades, and not just brain zaps, but full-body electric zaps -- it took me 2 years to withdraw from that, gradually lowering my dose every month. I will NEVER EVER take any SSRIs again unless I am actually at the point of suicide; mercifully, some excellent therapy taught me ways to mitigate my black moods, so I never need to get that bad again. (hint: exercise really does work wonders to boost your serotonin levels!)
But as for your "screw the FDA..." RIGHT ON!!!!!
Andria
But I totally sympathize about those "brain zaps" -- I didn't experience that when I got off Prozac, in the late 80s, but when I tried coming off Effexor, around 2007, I got it in spades, and not just brain zaps, but full-body electric zaps -- it took me 2 years to withdraw from that, gradually lowering my dose every month. I will NEVER EVER take any SSRIs again unless I am actually at the point of suicide; mercifully, some excellent therapy taught me ways to mitigate my black moods, so I never need to get that bad again. (hint: exercise really does work wonders to boost your serotonin levels!)
But as for your "screw the FDA..." RIGHT ON!!!!!
Andria
John where are you getting this info about starting in October ?
Also, my direct communications with Health Canada, and their ultimate response leads anyone to believe they will take action starting October. Probably bulk nicotine to start. Harper is a bit insane, and is doing some not nice things to Canada right now.
(OTHER STUFF) was my drug of choice when I was younger, (part of the Hippy crowd)
Far out dude..
Far out dude..
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Hmm, and now my response from the government has been removed from the legislative section of the forum. Interesting!
At today's prices on 100mg Nic it's hard not to stockpile some "for a rainy day"
I mix for myself and a few friends and family members so I feel kinda responsible (and I think they count on me!) to live up to the old Boy Scout Motto (Be Prepared!)
I still have about 250 ml from NN that's in my mix drawer plus about 500 ML premixed but I just started on my personal campaign to stock up for the zombie apocalypse (or whatever!) with an order to RTSVapes. I'm planning on ordering a liter whenever I can over the next couple months until I'm about 5 liters deep in the freezer. That should keep me and mine set for a while
I mix for myself and a few friends and family members so I feel kinda responsible (and I think they count on me!) to live up to the old Boy Scout Motto (Be Prepared!)
I still have about 250 ml from NN that's in my mix drawer plus about 500 ML premixed but I just started on my personal campaign to stock up for the zombie apocalypse (or whatever!) with an order to RTSVapes. I'm planning on ordering a liter whenever I can over the next couple months until I'm about 5 liters deep in the freezer. That should keep me and mine set for a while
I'm 53, and I vape at about 10mg-ish... not sure I could use 5 liters in the rest of my life!
Andria
Andria
I'm thinking about DIY juice.
RTS recommends storing nic, in the freezer at -10 degrees.
I don't think my freezer goes that low.
Is -10 deg necessary?
How about occasional power outages?
Is it OK to thaw, then re-freeze?
RTS recommends storing nic, in the freezer at -10 degrees.
I don't think my freezer goes that low.
Is -10 deg necessary?
How about occasional power outages?
Is it OK to thaw, then re-freeze?
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