When Should We Start Stockpiling Nicotine?

[zoiDman]

I'm thinking about DIY juice.
RTS recommends storing nic, in the freezer at -10 degrees.
I don't think my freezer goes that low.
Is -10 deg necessary?
How about occasional power outages?
Is it OK to thaw, then re-freeze?

Freezing Nicotine Base in a Glass Bottle may ensure the Longest Storage Life. But keeping Nicotine in a Cool, Dark Place is perfectly Expectable for a Year/18 Months or So.

So I wouldn't be too Worried if you Freezer isn't Sub-Zero. Or if you Experience an Occasional Power Outage.

Thawing and then Refreezing Should be a Problem.

 

[Rossum]

Its impractical to store 100 mg juice takes up to mu space.

Horsefeathers. I go though 6-8ml of 15mg liquid per day. So a single liter of 100mg will last me ~2-1/2 years. I'm 55 years old and figure I *might* have 30 years left. So 12 liters of 100mg is a life-time supply. That's less that half a cubic foot. Of course cylindrical bottles don't pack with perfect efficiency, so might need twice that much room in the freezer or one whole cubic foot. A typical chest freezer holds 15-20 cubic feet, and $99 will get you a 3.2 cubic foot freezer at Walmart.com. Sorry, but unless you live in a phone both, "takes up too much space" is not an excuse.

 

[AndriaD]

Horsefeathers. I go though 6-8ml of 15mg liquid per day. So a single liter of 100mg will last me ~2-1/2 years. I'm 55 years old and figure I *might* have 30 years left. So 12 liters of 100mg is a life-time supply. That's less that half a cubic foot. Of course cylindrical bottles don't pack with perfect efficiency, so might need twice that much room in the freezer or one whole cubic foot. A typical chest freezer holds 15-20 cubic feet, and $99 will get you a 3.2 cubic foot freezer at Walmart.com. Sorry, but unless you live in a phone both, "takes up too much space" is not an excuse.

I agree completely; my own freezer is fairly small and my nicotine stash competes with all the frozen FOOD! but I have plenty of room for my box(es) of 30ml bottles of 100mg nicotine -- that's the entire point of storing nicotine in such high concentration, so that it DOESN'T take up much space! And, you don't need to use much of it in your ejuice -- at my usual 10mg vape, even a 30ml bottle takes a WHILE! to use up.

Andria

 

[shgilman]

I'm vaping at 10mg also.

 

[shgilman]

But I REALLY like my Stoffers Mac and Cheese!!!

 

[AndriaD]

I'm vaping at 10mg also.

Sure makes it easy to measure that 100mg for 10mg ejuice, doesn't it?

Andria

PS: I can take or leave any mac n cheese... but gotta have my BROCCOLI!!! And my husband has to have his ice cream. We got rid of a bunch of years-old frozen stuff no one was ever gonna eat, so there was room for a) nicotine and b) ice cream. The stuff that makes life worth living, in other words.

 

[WillyZee]

When Should We Start Stockpiling Nicotine?

now ... better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

 

[Rossum]

better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

Yup.

I'm confident nic will always be available, but the questions are: At what risk, and at what cost? Right now the risk is zero (someone in a spiffy government uniform brings it to your door) -- and the cost is lower than it's likely to be in the future, quite possibly a lot lower. Considering a year's worth of 100 mg currently costs just about what I used to pay for a carton of smokes, I see very little potential downside to buying a year's worth every month or two and stashing it in the freezer.

 

[JRIP]

Start vaping 0%... pretty simple.

 

[zoiDman]

now ... better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

Yeah... That is a Good Rule to Apply to Many Things.

 

[Jimi D.]

I'll probably go back to Swedish Snus, and stuff my RDA's with pipe tobacco.

 

[johnspack]

Yes, it will be fine. Highly recommended if you store for long periods to use glass dark blue or amber bottles with a good seal. Stored like that refrigeration should be sufficient for upto 2 years. If you store in the plastic bottles, freeze them until you need them.

 

[johnspack]

Dam, was reading something from probably several pages back.... oh well, still relevant.....

 

[oxygen thief]

I'll do Swedish Snus while vaping VG if I have to. Screw the FDA. I think tricky .... nixon said that no one can piss you off unless you respect them.

 

[Rossum]

I'll do Swedish Snus while vaping VG if I have to.

You're forgetting that Swedish snus will also fall under the FDA's jurisdiction under the new proposed rules.

My understanding is that company (importer? manufacturer?) is or has prepared some huge filing with the FDA to get approval for Snus. Of course that doesn't mean the FDA will actually approve them.

Screw the FDA. I think tricky .... nixon said that no one can piss you off unless you respect them.

Indeed, I don't respect the FDA (or "government" in general) which is why I'm stockpiling nic -- so I can continue to vape what I want no matter what they do.

 

[Wow1420]

When? The FDA says their final deeming rule will be out in June 2015, https://www.federalregister.gov/art...-food-drug-and-cosmetic-act-as-amended-by-the, so I'd aim to have prepping completed before next June. I expect the rules limiting strength and availability will follow soon after that time. I don't expect liquid nic to go away entirely right away, but there may well be limits on strength and face-to-face sales only.

Vendors have been having some great sales the past few months, I've seen prices as low as $35 a liter, and other sales at $45, $50 and $65 a liter. At those prices, why wouldn't you at least put a liter in the freezer?

I'd rather trust that the nic in my freezer from a reputable vendor will remain vapable for a few years, than count on possible bootleg or home-brew sources appearing in the future.

 

[Wow1420]

I have fallen prey to the prior scares in vaping land. I will no longer buy anything in quantity. If a ban happens so be it. I will buy whatever it takes to curb my addiction in real time. If not, I will quit vaping and be done with it. Or go zero. I won't let fear control me.

Think of it as having insurance on your car. I'd be more fearful of something happening to my vehicle if I didn't have any insurance on it. Or health insurance and unexpected medical bills. Having a couple of liters in the freezer is my insurance against being forced to change my behavior before I'm ready and willing to do so.

 

[zoiDman]

... I expect the rules limiting strength and availability will follow soon after that time. I don't expect liquid nic to go away entirely right away, but there may well be limits on strength and face-to-face sales only.

...

This, In and of Itself, would be a Reason for me to have a Few 1L Glass Bottles of Nicotine Base.

 

[oxygen thief]

I never knew that about generics vs brand -- I even participated in a market research thing in the 90s, when albuterol sulfate (asthma inhaler) had just gone to generic forms, and my opinion -- of that particular drug -- was that the generics were the same as the namebrand. However I now use Ventolin rather than generic, because when they went to the HFA formulation (save the ozone layer and screw the asthmatics!), the generics all taste like grain alcohol, and even brand-name Proventil has that taste, and as a recovering alkie, I can't abide it -- real Ventolin doesn't have that taste!

But I totally sympathize about those "brain zaps" -- I didn't experience that when I got off Prozac, in the late 80s, but when I tried coming off Effexor, around 2007, I got it in spades, and not just brain zaps, but full-body electric zaps -- it took me 2 years to withdraw from that, gradually lowering my dose every month. I will NEVER EVER take any SSRIs again unless I am actually at the point of suicide; mercifully, some excellent therapy taught me ways to mitigate my black moods, so I never need to get that bad again. (hint: exercise really does work wonders to boost your serotonin levels!)

But as for your "screw the FDA..." RIGHT ON!!!!!

Andria

The easiest, still not easy, way to drop Effexor is to swith to Prozac for a short period of time. Prozac's long halflife ushers out the Effexor which I was allergic to thank god. That's why you didn't have brain zaps on Prozac. Cymbalta and Pristiq are two other SNRI's like Effexor but the Prozac trick doesn't work on Cymbalta. Not sure about Pristiq. On the psych forum I've been on forever, there was a massive thread that went on forever. I CAN'T GET OFF OF EFFEXOR--HELP!!!! Drugs, more drugs. lol

 

[AndriaD]

The easiest, still not easy, way to drop Effexor is to swith to Prozac for a short period of time. Prozac's long halflife ushers out the Effexor which I was allergic to thank god. That's why you didn't have brain zaps on Prozac. Cymbalta and Pristiq are two other SNRI's like Effexor but the Prozac trick doesn't work on Cymbalta. Not sure about Pristiq. On the psych forum I've been on forever, there was a massive thread that went on forever. I CAN'T GET OFF OF EFFEXOR--HELP!!!! Drugs, more drugs. lol

We were fortunate that my husband has a gram scale which is very sensitive and reads to quite a few decimal places. We emptied a full capsule and weighed that, then divided, divided again, divided again, divided again and divided again. Got some gelatin capsules and emptied them... by the end, I think there were like 2 or 3 grains of Effexor in each capsule. Doing it that slowly, I was able to avoid most of the worst zaps, though I still got a few milder ones. The stuff saved my life, that's for sure, but getting off it was murder. NEVER AGAIN!!!

I had tried the Prozac again, before starting on the Effexor, since it worked pretty well the first time; but, the first time was post-partum depression, and this was a wholly different animal; a combo of peri-menopause and PTSD; all the Prozac did for that was yank the depressive-lid off my rage, so then I had screaming fits so intense I gave myself a nosebleed several times. So Prozac is also a not-going-there-again.

Andria