Where does everyone vape?

[wv2win]

When I find someone that states it should be viewed the same smoking I will gladly tell them that.

If are misquoting me again, than all I can do is laugh and ask you to read what others post before you respond. When you misquote people like that you are admitting that you cannot stand up to what they actually did say, so you have to make something up

Here is your statements from a previous thread:

E-Cigs have gotten kind of a bad rap.... so... I treat them exactly like a cigarette, I smoke where smoking a cigarette is allowed, and am never where they are not. ... so I treat it exactly like smoking a cigarette.

These are your words. So stop with the mis-direction. You "treat them exactly like a cigarette" "A rose by anyother name is still a rose." Perception is reality. Look in the mirror and have a good long talk and laugh at yourself.

 

[Astronomer]

Yes again.. learn to read

I treat it that way on other peoples property, until I have their permission, I don’t view it that way ( the misquote you posted ), I don’t think it should be viewed that way, I treat it that way out of respect for the property of others until they learn differently, which I am happy to show them.

Again, I get it that you are incapable of comprehending it. You don’t have to explain how you are incapable of comprehending it any more.


Sorry to put it that way, but after explaining it to you at least half a dozen times now, you continue to misrepresent my position and say I said things I did not say.

Either you are incapable of comprehending it, or are intentionally lying about what I am saying, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt

 

[wv2win]

You can back track from your statements all you want. I hope you do the same with your actions and don't continue to just vape where the smokers smoke. Breaking the perception that vaping is just another form of smoking is important for vaping to be viewed differently than smoking.

 

[Rosa]

In a strange way... I mean, I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this... but in a strange way I do want it to be perceived as being equal to smoking. At least if it's equal to smoking the government can stop trying to make it illegal. And last check you can buy cigarettes all over the place and in every state and country in the world but not e-cigs. E-cigs are perceived as something new and possibly harmful that is still so young that it can be squashed before it begins. Tobacco cigarettes are perceived as completely harmful and yet you can enjoy them, buy them, sell them with few restrictions.

Maybe, just maybe if we follow the rules of tobacco cigs then people will not feel the need to put additional restrictions on them above and beyond the restrictions that are placed on cigarettes (ie: making them illegal) until it can be proven that they are completely harmless.

Like I said, I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it... but that's what is sort of going around in my head at the moment.

 

[yohann976]

In a strange way... I mean, I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this... but in a strange way I do want it to be perceived as being equal to smoking. At least if it's equal to smoking the government can stop trying to make it illegal. And last check you can buy cigarettes all over the place and in every state and country in the world but not e-cigs. E-cigs are perceived as something new and possibly harmful that is still so young that it can be squashed before it begins. Tobacco cigarettes are perceived as completely harmful and yet you can enjoy them, buy them, sell them with few restrictions.

Maybe, just maybe if we follow the rules of tobacco cigs then people will not feel the need to put additional restrictions on them above and beyond the restrictions that are placed on cigarettes (ie: making them illegal) until it can be proven that they are completely harmless.



Like I said, I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it... but that's what is sort of going around in my head at the moment.

Interesting point of view, but I can completely see where you're coming from. When I first found out about PV's, I thought I found to cure for cancer (at least from a preventative perspective). I originally figured that the only fight we would have would be where to vape rather than fighting to keep them legal.

We certainly are in a predicament here. If we were backed into a corner and given the choice to either be treated like smokers but keep the PV's or have them completely banned, I'd rather be treated like a smoker. I would just hate if it came to that.

Add: If it ever gets to that point, be prepared for one hell of a tax everyone. A nicotine tax perhaps. Don't worry though, your eggplants, tomatoes and potatoes will be exempt as will the gum, patch and the other cessation items, lol.

 

[JWebb]

I just vape wherever unless someone says something, then I tell them I am not smoking tobacco, and they look at me and say ok or just look befuddled.

 

[jbblack]

It almost looks like we have two seemingly opposing camps here, with quite a few falling in between: one group that is interested in raising awareness above all else and others that are interested in being respectful at all costs. The first sees the second as ineffectual and apologetic, the second sees the first as boorish and pushy. I think both sides have something to offer here. It's true that we don't get our rights protected if we don't stand up for them. And it's equally true that if we push people by forcing them to accept our habits, they're going to push back.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive; we just might try raising awareness in a way that's polite and respectful. If you ask someone if you can, then there's room there for someone to ask questions, they don't feel forced and don't feel a need to shut down, and there's a higher chance they'll hear you out. I've had vehement anti-smoking acquaintances invite me to vape away in their homes after realizing that it didn't stink, wouldn't affect their health, and above all else that I was willing to respect their feelings in the matter. I got my fix and they came out a bit better informed about the whole thing. Had I slunk off to the bushes that wouldn't have happened. And had I told them it was my gods-given right and that they had no choice but to accept it, they wouldn't have heard me out.

Since that's worked well for me the times that I have done it, and since it seems to work for so many other folks on the board, I think I'll make that my new policy. If I'm gonna be there for a bit, I'll just ask. If they say yes, great. If they say maybe, then we'll talk about it--I'll hear them out, and they'll hear me out. And if they say no, then I'll excuse myself to somewhere more private. Awareness raised, boundaries respected, mission accomplished.

 

[WarLion]

last week i was just vaping in the bank Lol

 

[Astronomer]

You can back track from your statements all you want. I hope you do the same with your actions and don't continue to just vape where the smokers smoke. Breaking the perception that vaping is just another form of smoking is important for vaping to be viewed differently than smoking.

And you you can misrepresent what other people say all you want, because you cannot stand up to what they actually say.

You stop misrepresenting what others say, and I will stop calling you on it.

 

[Astronomer]

It almost looks like we have two seemingly opposing camps here, with quite a few falling in between: one group that is interested in raising awareness above all else and others that are interested in being respectful at all costs. The first sees the second as ineffectual and apologetic, the second sees the first as boorish and pushy. I think both sides have something to offer here. It's true that we don't get our rights protected if we don't stand up for them. And it's equally true that if we push people by forcing them to accept our habits, they're going to push back.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive; we just might try raising awareness in a way that's polite and respectful. If you ask someone if you can, then there's room there for someone to ask questions, they don't feel forced and don't feel a need to shut down, and there's a higher chance they'll hear you out. I've had vehement anti-smoking acquaintances invite me to vape away in their homes after realizing that it didn't stink, wouldn't affect their health, and above all else that I was willing to respect their feelings in the matter. I got my fix and they came out a bit better informed about the whole thing. Had I slunk off to the bushes that wouldn't have happened. And had I told them it was my gods-given right and that they had no choice but to accept it, they wouldn't have heard me out.

Since that's worked well for me the times that I have done it, and since it seems to work for so many other folks on the board, I think I'll make that my new policy. If I'm gonna be there for a bit, I'll just ask. If they say yes, great. If they say maybe, then we'll talk about it--I'll hear them out, and they'll hear me out. And if they say no, then I'll excuse myself to somewhere more private. Awareness raised, boundaries respected, mission accomplished.

Yes it is two basic approaches, yours was not offensive in any way at all, mine also works, in a local pub where I occasionally go, I called the owner over and mentioned that I was going to step outside and vape, and I showed him the unit, I told him that it was not smoking in any way at all, but I wanted to be respectful of his other customers feelings. He thanked me for being sensitive to other customers.

2 minutes later he came outside, and I was having a conversation with a couple of people in the "smoking area" about where they could get one of these as they were very interested. The owner pulled me aside, had me blow vapor into his face, laughed and asked me to come back inside with it.

Now a vape friendly establishment.

I’m not saying that everyone’s approach should be the same as mine, others may do that… I don’t, none of us here are in a position where we should be telling others what they are supposed to say and do. All I am saying is that my approach does indeed work. If you give people the opportunity to be generous, instead of defensive, let it be their idea, that can also get you a long way.

Yours also worked.. both positive results

 

[wv2win]

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I don't think the two are mutually exclusive; we just might try raising awareness in a way that's polite and respectful. If you ask someone if you can, then there's room there for someone to ask questions, they don't feel forced and don't feel a need to shut down, and there's a higher chance they'll hear you out. I've had vehement anti-smoking acquaintances invite me to vape away in their homes after realizing that it didn't stink, wouldn't affect their health, and above all else that I was willing to respect their feelings in the matter. I got my fix and they came out a bit better informed about the whole thing. Had I slunk off to the bushes that wouldn't have happened. And had I told them it was my gods-given right and that they had no choice but to accept it, they wouldn't have heard me out.

Since that's worked well for me the times that I have done it, and since it seems to work for so many other folks on the board, I think I'll make that my new policy. If I'm gonna be there for a bit, I'll just ask. If they say yes, great. If they say maybe, then we'll talk about it--I'll hear them out, and they'll hear me out. And if they say no, then I'll excuse myself to somewhere more private. Awareness raised, boundaries respected, mission accomplished.

Your position is the same as mine which I like to call "respectful advocacy".

 

[wv2win]

In a strange way... I mean, I'm trying to figure out how I feel about this... but in a strange way I do want it to be perceived as being equal to smoking. At least if it's equal to smoking the government can stop trying to make it illegal. And last check you can buy cigarettes all over the place and in every state and country in the world but not e-cigs. E-cigs are perceived as something new and possibly harmful that is still so young that it can be squashed before it begins. Tobacco cigarettes are perceived as completely harmful and yet you can enjoy them, buy them, sell them with few restrictions.

Maybe, just maybe if we follow the rules of tobacco cigs then people will not feel the need to put additional restrictions on them above and beyond the restrictions that are placed on cigarettes (ie: making them illegal) until it can be proven that they are completely harmless.

Like I said, I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it... but that's what is sort of going around in my head at the moment.

I understand your points that if vaping is viewed as smoking then "maybe" (a huge gamble) the government will leave it alone. Based on the FDA and groups like ASH's stance to this point, I have little faith that will happen.

I think and hope, a more likely outcome is that vaping will have some serious studies done on it over the next several years and results of those studies will support our position that vaping is "practicaly" safe in comparison to smoking and definitely safe for those in the vicinity of those who vape. When that occurs, I believe we want vaping to have as much "distance" from smoking as possible.

 

[conneld]

Only been vaping about 2 months now, but I haven't really held back vaping anywhere. If it's a place where smoking isn't acceptable, I might try being stealthy about it, but I figure I'm NOT smoking, and that's what is banned.

 

[RufusExcellent]

For now, anywhere you shouldn't publicly smoke, you shouldn't publicly vape.