Where have all the 50/50's gone?

[windxrunner]

Lately, it seems like every new liquid to come out is Max VG. That's great if you're not a fan of throat hit and you're into volume vaping. But what about people like me? I'm more of a mouth to lung vaper, I use a lot of mesh in genesis atties, some cotton tanks, too. I like TH! Any recommendations for 50/50 liquids? I like more "premium", complex flavors,,,just never been a fan of cheap, one-note flavors. Thanks!

 

[windxrunner]

Btw, I'm a fan of tobacco flavors, too. Sometimes I like just straight tobacco, but I love flavors that have a bit of tobacco in the background to add complexity. I love Sollers Pointe, Pistachio RY4, Tripoli and Smoked Custard by Charlie Noble, but sometimes they don't wick so well in a genny.

 

[thetrucker]

I just loved your title------reminds me of a 60s song --------"Where Have All The Flowers Gone"

 

[windxrunner]

I just loved your title------reminds me of a 60s song --------"Where Have All The Flowers Gone"

Wish I could say that was intentional! It just seemed appropriate.

 

[thetrucker]

Wish I could say that was intentional! It just seemed appropriate.

There does seem to be a trend to max vg-----as all that is important anymore is a dripper that can make "BIG"---clouds----people are having trouble with their

tanks getting dry hits as this new thick juice does not wick as well as 50/50 does.........

 

[rob m]

They produce what sells better is all. My guess would be your best bet would find a company that makes juice to order like an ITC vapes or something that can custom make it for you. The premium made ready to go ones will for the most part will be high VG it seems.

 

[sofarsogood]

Liquids with more than 6mg nic are less represented in my local vape shop (which I rarely visit because everything costs at least twice what it should and there isn't much inventory that interests me). The shop carries juice lines that don't offer higher than 6mg. It seems the cloud chasers are so dominant that the shop is primarily focused on them and generally neglects everybody else. Apparently cloud chasers tend to be big spenders.

 

[kkiet]

With sub ohming now the trend nic levels have dropped, people can get by with less, and more people want clouds hence more vg.

 

[windxrunner]

It's a shame really. I can get by with 5ml or less a day, but I know people who will down a 30ml bottle and then some every day just blowing clouds. I get that they think it's fun and all, but I can't help wondering when and why it transitioned from pleasure and harm reduction to cloud blowing. I mean, it's a bit silly right? Who can inhale/exhale the best? Anyway, that's a topic for another time.

They produce what sells better is all. My guess would be your best bet would find a company that makes juice to order like an ITC vapes or something that can custom make it for you. The premium made ready to go ones will for the most part will be high VG it seems.

I have tried a few companies like this, but IMO they tend to taste a bit on the cheap side. I've just kind of adjusted to make Charlie noble juices work in my gennies, but I've got certain atomizers that the thicker liquids just won't work with, like some of my Hellfire and Doc Dave stuff. They've got approx. 2ml wick holes, and the thick VG stuff just refuses to flow /:

I've tried 5 pawns, it's good but it's too damn expensive. I think Boilermaker might be 50/50, maybe I'll give them a try.

 

[windxrunner]

I just ordered a bottle of On the Storm by Vaponaute. It's usually as expensive as 5 Pawns but it's only $21.60 at vaperev,,,and Boilermaker is indeed 50/50,,,I may have just solved my problem but recommendations are still welcome!

 

[rob m]

Good luck on your search, hope you find something that works well for you.

 

[Brkdnc]

, and the thick VG stuff just refuses to flow /:

You could try adding just a couple drops of Distilled water it will thin the high VG juices down a little and I don't think it will change the flavor.

 

[Jeffro2700]

It's definitely disappointing when you hear about a new juice or juice company, then you find out it's only max vg or 75-80% vg with no other options. I normally vape 75pg/25vg if that's an option. I'm actually allowed to vape at my desk at work and I don't need excess vapor ruining that great benefit. I also stealth vape pretty much anywhere I go. I've bought 75vg/25pg and it is fine, but I'll only vape that at home because the vapor production is too obnoxious for social situations.

 

[man00ver]

Ask for what you want. If I see an intriguing review and want to try it out, I'll send an email to ask if they'll do my 50/50 12mg preference if it's not on the website. Sometimes that works. If you don't ask, how will they know if there's a demand?

 

[drysprocket]

You're not alone Windxrunner. I had to go out of my way to find a whole new batch of higher VG juices just to use on my Triton coils. Some are nice, but I don't enjoy them nearly as much as so many good 50/50's. It seems like everything is being made for cloud chasers in mind...and it's a vicious cycle. Juices are being catered for it, now many tanks/coils are too. It feels like we're being left in the dust.

I always assumed that roughly half of people did sub ohm, and the other half mouth to lung; but I wonder if we're now very much in the minority. Maybe we don't spend enough money on new stuff? I dunno. Seems like this has shifted too far this last year.

I also think there is savvy business at work here- High VG juices are gone through a lot faster than 50/50. If I was a company trying to squeeze every dime out of people, I'd probably focus on making juices that people have to buy more of. I think that this may be part of the reason in some cases.

 

[stevegmu]

They have gone to the clouds... I like high PG, so Halo is pretty much the only vendor which meets my needs...

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I was just on Mt. Baker Vapor and they had 5 levels of mix.

 

[windxrunner]

You're not alone Windxrunner. I had to go out of my way to find a whole new batch of higher VG juices just to use on my Triton coils. Some are nice, but I don't enjoy them nearly as much as so many good 50/50's. It seems like everything is being made for cloud chasers in mind...and it's a vicious cycle. Juices are being catered for it, now many tanks/coils are too. It feels like we're being left in the dust.

I always assumed that roughly half of people did sub ohm, and the other half mouth to lung; but I wonder if we're now very much in the minority. Maybe we don't spend enough money on new stuff? I dunno. Seems like this has shifted too far this last year.

I also think there is savvy business at work here- High VG juices are gone through a lot faster than 50/50. If I was a company trying to squeeze every dime out of people, I'd probably focus on making juices that people have to buy more of. I think that this may be part of the reason in some cases.

I actually think that mouth to lung vapers make up a higher percentage of all vapers,,,it's because the majority of vapers don't even know what ECF is, have never watched a YouTube vaping video, they just use CE4's, eGo's, eVod's, Nautilus Mini's, iSticks etc,,,a lot of vapers are 30yo and up,,,but most of the younger vapers tend to think clouds are cool, and younger vapers tend to go for that whole volume vaping mentality. When it comes to who spends the most money, it's definitely the hobbiest people, and while there are still a lot of mouth-to-lung hobbiest vapers, we're in the minority of hobbiests. That make sense? So, like you said, it has a lot to do with that, and I'm sure a desire to sell more juice plays heavily into all this, as well.

I was just on Mt. Baker Vapor and they had 5 levels of mix.

Yeah, I'm aware that MBV offers many different PG/VG ratios, but I just find pretty much every liquid from them to be unvapable. I'm too used to nice, complex liquids that when I try to vape cheap stuff it just tastes like crap.

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I think there is absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of vapers are ones using basic gear. We vape for effect first, taste second, and status last.
As well put above, most vapers have never seen forums or videos about it and look at the cloud chasing in public as a negative.
But Yes, we are being left behind. I have recently found a juice vendor who has some great quality, complex and unique flavors, etc. but they are max VG and I have to WORK like heck to get my Nautilus to get the flavor through to me at half the level that a casual puff of Halo or Five Pawns, for example, would deliver. Sucks, because this would be some really fantastic juice if it wasn't thicker than gear lube..
I also agree there is no question about the profitability of high VG, low nic, and low flavor juice that people are using 30ml or more of a day. I can't imagine having to buy that much juice personally. Holy cow. Is it really worth it?
All that said, I really think it will come full circle. (Or at least find a happy medium) I have recently contacted the vendor I mentioned above (well known and currently very hyped on ECF) about offering their popular max VG flavors in an "old school" 50/50 version and giving them all the reasons we are stating in this thread. I even went as far as to offer to pay more as it's obvious us tootle puffers don't vape 30ml a day and the manufacturer has to have some incentive. We actually had a couple good exchanges on the subject. I doubt they are going to change a winning game, in the short term anyway, but they did admit they are hearing the exact same request from many others and are aware of the resurgence in demand for a more balanced blend. I guess we'll see. They let me know something was in the mail this morning. I have no idea what it is.
Write your vendors folks. At least some of them might listen.

 

[SomeTexan]

It's simple, they make what sells.

I can't stand high pg juice. Much over 25-30% and it is like trying to smoke the filter from a cigarette. I end up coughing and wheezing worse than when I smoked and constantly think I burnt cotton or something. I'm not a cloud chaser, never wanted to be a part of a cloud comp. But, I couldn't quit cigs with tootle puffer gear. When I went sub ohm with an open draw, I was able to kick the cigs. And that's the reason I vape, to quit smoking.

I do sub ohm and open draw, so I'm not a tootle puffer, but I could care less about a clouds and looking "cool" so what does that make me?