Where have I Dared???

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sailorman

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The Movie Theatre!
The UPS Store!
The Post Office!
A Hair Salon!
The Grocery Store!

How many times was I asked to stop? None. ;)

What did someone at the Hair Salon assume it was? A new asthma inhaler. True Story. She actually thought I was just medicating myself.

Congratulations. When I'm asked by some hostile person what I'm doing, I always tell them it's a medical device.

Some people have a hard time remembering that they are not smokers. They spent years being beaten down, stigmatized and dehumanized. Now, they look in the mirror and still see a smoker. So they sneak around like a smoker. They hang out in smoking areas like a smoker. They have an inferiority complex that has been foisted on them for years and they don't know how to stand up for their rights. They mask it with self-rationalization like, "I'm being considerate" or "I don't really need to vape here; I can go outside". They vape things that look like cigarettes and wonder why people crap on them like they're smoking. When people walk 40 feet across the room and tell them that their vapor smells like a cigar, and they're vaping cherry e-juice, they say "I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. I'll stop now. Please don't be mad at me. I'm just a pathetic nicotine addict."

I'm sorry, but this sniveling, servile attitude that some vapers have disgusts me. If you want us ALL to be treated like smokers, then go ahead and act like one. Vape something that looks like an analog. Tell people you're "smoking" an electronic cigarette. Then you can feel comfortable when they continue to treat you like dirt because, deep inside, that's what you think you deserve and to be treated any other way is just uncomfortable.
 
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Congratulations. When I'm asked by some hostile person what I'm doing, I always tell them it's a medical device.

Some people have a hard time remembering that they are not smokers. They spent years being beaten down, stigmatized and dehumanized. Now, they look in the mirror and still see a smoker. So they sneak around like a smoker. They hang out in smoking areas like a smoker. They have an inferiority complex that has been foisted on them for years and they don't know how to stand up for their rights. They mask it with self-rationalization like, "I'm being considerate" or "I don't really need to vape here; I can go outside". They vape things that look like cigarettes and wonder why people crap on them like they're smoking. When people walk 40 feet across the room and tell them that their vapor smells like a cigar, and they're vaping cherry e-juice, they say "I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. I'll stop now. Please don't be mad at me. I'm just a pathetic nicotine addict."


I am a very accommodating person. I try to make everyone happy. If someone was really bothered by what I was doing, and had a legitimate reason, I would stop. However, I don't think my vaping should bother anyone. If anything, I am doing a public a service. I am often complimented on the smell of my vapors. I am like a walking air-freshener at this point. ;)
 

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I am a very accommodating person. I try to make everyone happy. If someone was really bothered by what I was doing, and had a legitimate reason, I would stop. However, I don't think my vaping should bother anyone. If anything, I am doing a public a service. I am often complimented on the smell of my vapors. I am like a walking air-freshener at this point. ;)

That's the key phrase "and had a legitimate reason". I agree. I would stop too. But please tell me what the legitimate reason is because, no matter how hard I try, I just can't think of any except possibly a store or restaurant owner who asks me to stop because of people who are complaining for no legitimate reason, or that it is banned by law.

OTOH, I can think of a lot of illegitimate reasons. "looks like smoke". "I'm allergic to smoke". "you're glamorizing smoking in front of my kids". " the odor is offensive". "My mother died from lung cancer". "this is a no-smoking area"....etc,., etc.

Each one of those reasons is based on a false premise or is unreasonable, or both. Therefore, the objection is illegitimate and I don't feel like being accommodating or considerate means that I acquiesce to demands based on illegitimate objections. That's not being accommodating, that's allowing myself to be bullied.
 

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Well I vape were commonsense and common courtesy dictates.
I know they are not as common as they should be. But hey I was brought up old school, what can I say;)

Common courtesy dictates that you don't demand other people bend to your will just because something offends you due to the fact that you are laboring under misinformation, disinformation and bias.

There are precious few places where common courtesy would dictate someone not vape. An indoor funeral. A church wedding during the ceremony. A daycare center full of toddlers. An ICU. Something tells me you have a much longer list in mind.

This has nothing to do with the common courtesy of the vaper. It's wrongheaded to assign the courtesy to everyone else by default and expect the vaper to accommodate them, regardless of the fact that they have no legitimate reason to be offended. If they claim they are, it's they who are being discourteous by insisting someone indulge their ignorance. It's them, not me, who needs to exercise common sense and common courtesy and leave me alone.

Under that logic, it is up to mixed race couples not to appear together where there could be some racists. Otherwise they'd be discourteous. The burden is on immigrants to stay out of places where xenophobes might be, because it's just not polite. People with long hair would be rude and lacking in common courtesy if they showed up somewhere frequented by rednecks and gay people are discourteous if they dare set foot somewhere homophobes could be lurking. Because, if something happened, it would be their fault for not exercising "common sense" and indulging the ignorance of someone else.

It's not a huge leap of logic to go from there to claiming that a woman who doesn't dress modestly deserves it if she gets raped. She didn't use "common sense".

Well, I can tell when people have legitimate objections and when they don't. I gave up the meme, the one that says it's always me who has the potential to be offensive, when I became a non-smoker. It's part of the mental adjustment necessary to really be a non-smoker and not just a wannabe non-smoker.
 
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Where have I dared? Everywhere...I dare go my dear...

On a train
on a plane
in a boat
over the moat
in class way in the back
while hanging from a rack
While riding a trolly
while hanging with molly
In a car
at the bar
Looking at the sea
sitting under a tree
in a sub
sitting in the tub
in bed
while seeing red



OK I'll stop now ;)...but all true
 
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