Extracting their own nicotine and selling it to you? WTf is wrong with yall? Why would you ever purchase anthing from some guy throwing chems at some tobaco leaves? Because it tastes more like a cig? seriously? Am I the only one completely blown away?
No. That's why I continue in this and other threads. (Despite the fact that it makes me unpopular). I don't think the average individual understands... the variables, and how those variables multiply expotentially with every new weird-ness added. How every variable adds it's own unique danger, and .... man, little device in my head that I use to visualize exponential math & variables just keeps getting larger and more complex the longer I write this paragraph. (that's probably babble to everyone but me- sorry.)
The idea of some guy soaking tobaco leaves in his basement is insane. 4000 chemicals we were inhaling before, then add that to some guy throwing whatever he read on ECF at some tobaco leaves then mixing it all up and selling it to you......
And yet it's happening. And apparently it tastes good. And I'll probably even order some since they got a good review on their RY4... but I'm rather cavalier with what I'll do with/to my body. The yardstick I use as to whether I should speak against it, is "would I let my best friend use/do this?". It's also the same yardstick I use to recommend things. While it's not nearly as low a standard as what I'll do to myself, it's also apparently not that high of a standard. I keep getting rapped on the knuckles in the chem related threads/forums for not being safe enough with my lab techniques.
So, if the actual experts think that I'm not safe enough, by transitive property- if something is making ME nervous, then people should worry.
thread should be locked so another website doesn't pop up with "USA made ejuice, we extract our own Nicotine !!"
No. This thread should keep going so it doesn't fade into obscurity, and whats here is lost.
Stownz, your posts here are some of the most important. I realize that we keep repeating ourselves in this thread and similar ones, but this is info that needs repeating. Hopefully by the time our fingertips are hoarse from "screaming", someone new will pick up the mantle.
People should know that the practice of "macerating and soaking tobacco" in PG, WILL extract tobacco alkaloids, and a host of other things. Mold spores. Mildew. All sorts of things. The levels of the nic & tobacco alkaloids extracted will be different starting with the tobacco itself (meaning the time of year that batch was grown/harvested, the soil, the rain, the days of sun, etc. etc. etc.), how fine the tobacco is ground, then how long it's soaked in the PG, at what temp, how it's separated (is it squeezed?). The complexity of trying to guess an answer is... overwhelming. Then, how is it filtered? Through a coffee filter?
Hopefully though some type of μm resolution filter. I don't know what the potential microscopic "funk" is that's going to be in it (spores, bacteria, etc)- but if I was going to sell it, I'd DAMN SURE research it, find out, and mechanically filter for it if I could. 0.22μ filters catch most things, but it's probably overkill for the job, and putting PG through a 0.22μ filter would be a very time consuming endeavor, if possible at all- but again, that size might be overkill, a 50μ filter might be fine. I dunno- one would want to research it if they were selling it.
I know someone is thinking "but PG kills microscopic baddies", yes, but even dead microscopic baddies elicit a response from the immune system, sometimes an overwhelming, anaphylactic one.
If you're going to play with tobacco extractions yourself, that's one thing. It's being discussed and done almost in real-time
in some threads right now, but the standard of stuff you make yourself is a much different standard from one that should be used when selling it to people who don't know/understand the dangers.
Selling these products commercially, is the type of thing that will get us shut down even quicker. If you think I can find fault & danger, imagine the fault & dangers the FDA, with their chemists who are trained to find danger, will find.
I suggest
everyone read this by DVap:
Soaking tobacco for nicotine and flavor - A chemists' perspective
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