:) Who sells up to quarter per ml high quality ejuices ?

[Jonathan Tittle]

10 cents is cost. I know of a fee who meet some of the criteria, MBK , Killer (on its way so it's pending) , and ECB (which meets it but not for me). There are more I am sure.

The actual cost for juice really depends on the size of the vendor. For some, it may be $0.10 for others it may be considerably more. Bulk buying reduces costs while buying small bottles of this and that cost more than it's really worth, for the vendor or for DIY, IMO. That's why I buy PG/VG by the gallon, flavors in no less than 4oz bottles (except those I'm testing or never tried) and bottles by the 100's.

If I pulled the basics from existing prices that I'm paying (which includes shipping - you have to include that, it's a cost to you which affects your DIY costs), I'd see the following:

PG - ~$0.01/ml
VG - ~$0.01/ml

Nic - ~$0.14-$0.18/ml

Flavoring - ~$0.12-$0.32/ml

Bottles & Caps - $0.35/each (15, 30 and 50ml)

So for one bottle of 15ml, the costs average $0.60 without the bottle and $0.95 with a bottle. It's going to be hard to reduce the cost of PG/VG to lower than above, which includes shipping. The nic is bought in 500mg/ml bottles, flavoring in 4oz bottles and bottles and caps in quantities of 100 of each size.


With that, most vendor costs are not $0.10 for a final product or $0.10 per ml, but the pricing reflects what that individual needs to see in order to pay themselves, their employees, their supplies & costs and to stay in business.


To the OP, if cost is the biggest issue for you, save up $200-$250 and invest in DIY. You can buy a 500mg/ml bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine, a gallon of PG & VG, an assortment of flavors, syringes, gloves (to handle the nicotine due to strength) and bottles. If someone has to make it for you, the costs are going to be inflated. It's simply the cost of buying from a business.

 

[BillyWJ]

The actual cost for juice really depends on the size of the vendor. For some, it may be $0.10 for others it may be considerably more. Bulk buying reduces costs while buying small bottles of this and that cost more than it's really worth, for the vendor or for DIY, IMO. That's why I buy PG/VG by the gallon, flavors in no less than 4oz bottles (except those I'm testing or never tried) and bottles by the 100's.

If I pulled the basics from existing prices that I'm paying (which includes shipping - you have to include that, it's a cost to you which affects your DIY costs), I'd see the following:

PG - ~$0.01/ml
VG - ~$0.01/ml

Nic - ~$0.14-$0.18/ml

Flavoring - ~$0.12-$0.32/ml

Bottles & Caps - $0.35/each (15, 30 and 50ml)

So for one bottle of 15ml, the costs average $0.60 without the bottle and $0.95 with a bottle. It's going to be hard to reduce the cost of PG/VG to lower than above, which includes shipping. The nic is bought in 500mg/ml bottles, flavoring in 4oz bottles and bottles and caps in quantities of 100 of each size.


With that, most vendor costs are not $0.10 for a final product or $0.10 per ml, but the pricing reflects what that individual needs to see in order to pay themselves, their employees, their supplies & costs and to stay in business.


To the OP, if cost is the biggest issue for you, save up $200-$250 and invest in DIY. You can buy a 500mg/ml bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine, a gallon of PG & VG, an assortment of flavors, syringes, gloves (to handle the nicotine due to strength) and bottles. If someone has to make it for you, the costs are going to be inflated. It's simply the cost of buying from a business.

How do the costs look if the vendor isn't using pre-bottled flavoring? I can order a ton of flavorings, but that doesn't mean I can whip up a batch of Boba's, or 5 Pawns, or Alice Vapeland's flavors, or Tasty Vapor's flavors.

 

[vaperature]

I have cheap vendors that I love and expensive vendors that I love. Lucky 7 is cheap as all heck. But I'm willing to pay more for something from Halo or Alien Vision, because it's not about the cost of the ingredients, it's about the art of it. What does a painting cost to make? Some canvas and some paint? A few dollars, right? But it sells for hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe more.

 

[Aviz]

Nic is 5 cents per ml (usp max potency ) RETAIL . vendors pay less.
I really don't know what's the point of this argument.
My answer is Mt Baker, killer ejuice, ecb. They all go well under.

 

[vjc0628]

I am looking for a brand new car

must have great gas mileage
must look great
from a reputable registered dealer
must have a good warranty
must have excellent sound system and all the top features

Must be under $3,000

 

[vjc0628]

The actual cost for juice really depends on the size of the vendor. For some, it may be $0.10 for others it may be considerably more. Bulk buying reduces costs while buying small bottles of this and that cost more than it's really worth, for the vendor or for DIY, IMO. That's why I buy PG/VG by the gallon, flavors in no less than 4oz bottles (except those I'm testing or never tried) and bottles by the 100's.

If I pulled the basics from existing prices that I'm paying (which includes shipping - you have to include that, it's a cost to you which affects your DIY costs), I'd see the following:

PG - ~$0.01/ml
VG - ~$0.01/ml

Nic - ~$0.14-$0.18/ml

Flavoring - ~$0.12-$0.32/ml

Bottles & Caps - $0.35/each (15, 30 and 50ml)

So for one bottle of 15ml, the costs average $0.60 without the bottle and $0.95 with a bottle. It's going to be hard to reduce the cost of PG/VG to lower than above, which includes shipping. The nic is bought in 500mg/ml bottles, flavoring in 4oz bottles and bottles and caps in quantities of 100 of each size.


With that, most vendor costs are not $0.10 for a final product or $0.10 per ml, but the pricing reflects what that individual needs to see in order to pay themselves, their employees, their supplies & costs and to stay in business.


To the OP, if cost is the biggest issue for you, save up $200-$250 and invest in DIY. You can buy a 500mg/ml bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine, a gallon of PG & VG, an assortment of flavors, syringes, gloves (to handle the nicotine due to strength) and bottles. If someone has to make it for you, the costs are going to be inflated. It's simply the cost of buying from a business.

Yes for the cheaper flavorings
and does not account for time and also time for the failure's getting to the mixes that work
and a vendors taxes cost for place of business paying for help

and you can do it yourself
but for me even If I can do as good as MBV (which I don't think I would)
It would not be good enough

 

[Hypatia]

Nic is 5 cents per ml (usp max potency ) RETAIL . vendors pay less.
I really don't know what's the point of this argument.
My answer is Mt Baker, killer ejuice, ecb, bryces and more. They all go well under. I bet many posts here are by dormant / hidden sellers.

Well, good you found your go-to vendors at your price point. Not sure why you posited a question for which you already had your answer. Everyone's got their favorites. Palettes differ--those vendors are not what I consider good tasting (one of your requisites). That is why I did not suggest those. The very few vendors I like are in the 40-60 cent/ml range. Sorry I lost in your game.

BTW-I'm just a vaper, not a vendor of any sort; not even in the business world (poor college student, actually).

 

[AmandaD]

As far as your first criteria - price of 25c/ml - I've ordered from Killer Juice several times, and most of their juices flavors fairly accurately match the descriptions on the website. Shipping is extremely fast too. Apart from that DIY is going to be the way to go. I've gladly paid more than for AIV, 5 Pawns, Halo, Sir Tasty Vape and others, because I like the complexity of the flavors - AND, compared with what I used to spend on analogs it's certainly not overpriced - I don't think anyone's getting rich off of this

Your other criteria are not something I've paid much attention too, so I can't help there.

 

[BillyWJ]

Nic is 5 cents per ml (usp max potency ) RETAIL . vendors pay less.
I really don't know what's the point of this argument.
My answer is Mt Baker, killer ejuice, ecb, bryces and more. They all go well under. I bet many posts here are by dormant / hidden sellers.

Accusing people of lying won't get you very far.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

How do the costs look if the vendor isn't using pre-bottled flavoring? I can order a ton of flavorings, but that doesn't mean I can whip up a batch of Boba's, or 5 Pawns, or Alice Vapeland's flavors, or Tasty Vapor's flavors.

Yes for the cheaper flavorings
and does not account for time and also time for the failure's getting to the mixes that work
and a vendors taxes cost for place of business paying for help

and you can do it yourself
but for me even If I can do as good as MBV (which I don't think I would)
It would not be good enough

The cost breakdown was simply provided to the other member as a reference guide and to state that vendor costs are not as cheap as everyone thinks they may be (since $0.10 was being used as a comparison to a vendors costs for a bottle of juice). Cheaper flavorings will bring the cost of the juice down for sure, while more expensive and actual flavor extracts will increase the cost. The size of the business dictates their costs. Larger businesses have more buying power than smaller, so of course they get better price breaks due to their ability to order and physically use larger quantities.

For businesses like 5 Pawns and others who claim to make some of their flavorings, IIRC, it's hard to physically put a price on what they do as I don't know what part of their juices they make (i.e. such as vanilla extract, as an example) and what parts they don't. They state that all of their flavorings are extracted from base ingredients, so that could mean they're all organic and that they or the company they use uses as process similar or identical to how NudeNictotine does their flavors (which are more expensive than others on the market). Of course, it could mean something totally different. They're not going to tell me everything if I ask, especially when it comes to costs and profit margins and I won't pretend I know .

I wasn't saying it's cheap to make a higher-end, quality juice line - I know that much as I have 400 bottles of flavors sitting around and only 1/4 of them actually get used for that very reason.

 

[boog]

my DIY juice comes out to $0.037/ml or $1.12 for a 30ml bottle. (not including cost of the bottle, I re-use)

also, that is using humco vg from wal-mart because I like the taste better than the cheaper stuff sold in bulk

I can honestly say I like my own juice better than any vendors juice.

 

[vjc0628]

The cost breakdown was simply provided to the other member as a reference guide and to state that vendor costs are not as cheap as everyone thinks they may be (since $0.10 was being used as a comparison to a vendors costs for a bottle of juice). Cheaper flavorings will bring the cost of the juice down for sure, while more expensive and actual flavor extracts will increase the cost. The size of the business dictates their costs. Larger businesses have more buying power than smaller, so of course they get better price breaks due to their ability to order and physically use larger quantities.

For businesses like 5 Pawns and others who claim to make some of their flavorings, IIRC, it's hard to physically put a price on what they do as I don't know what part of their juices they make (i.e. such as vanilla extract, as an example) and what parts they don't. They state that all of their flavorings are extracted from base ingredients, so that could mean they're all organic and that they or the company they use uses as process similar or identical to how NudeNictotine does their flavors (which are more expensive than others on the market). Of course, it could mean something totally different. They're not going to tell me everything if I ask, especially when it comes to costs and profit margins and I won't pretend I know .

I wasn't saying it's cheap to make a higher-end, quality juice line - I know that much as I have 400 bottles of flavors sitting around and only 1/4 of them actually get used for that very reason.

You can do anything much veaper if you do it youself
1 you don't pay labor
2 you don't pay tax or rent or anything
3 you don't have to pay for your on time

listen if I drive myself to the hamptons it will cost me $25 in gas round trip
If I get a cab round trip its $250

you can apply that to anything

another thing to consider talent is required for great complex mix's(this I don't have but if you do more power to you)

But most importantly I don't care how much talent you have
No one can mix like vendors such as Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns and probably any I order from
with flavor west

that's garenteed

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

You can do anything much veaper if you do it youself
No one can mix like vendors such as Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns and probably any I order from
with flavor west

that's garenteed

I never said they could . Again, that specific post was more so aimed at the member posting the reference to $0.10 being the vendors cost, not the majority of this thread, and to make a point that the price point was incredibly low.

That said, it's impossible to tell what flavor vendor an e-liquid vendor is using and nail it to a tee. None of us know for 100% sure that bigger brands, other than MBV, don't use FW or similar cheaper flavors. You can't say that with a guarantee unless you work for them and know exactly what their ingredients are. You can take a guess, a wild guess, but on a complex blend - such as BB (as an example), that's all it'd be, a wild guess. Nothing personal, just throwing that out there. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to nail down a few of my favorite blends that I do buy, but close only counts in horseshoes and I'm a little far away from nailing down exactly what's in there.

 

[vjc0628]

I never said they could . Again, that specific post was more so aimed at the member posting the reference to $0.10 being the vendors cost, not the majority of this thread, and to make a point that the price point was incredibly low.

That said, it's impossible to tell what flavor vendor an e-liquid vendor is using and nail it to a tee. None of us know for 100% sure that bigger brands, other than MBV, don't use FW or similar cheaper flavors. You can't say that with a guarantee unless you work for them and know exactly what their ingredients are. You can take a guess, a wild guess, but on a complex blend - such as BB (as an example), that's all it'd be, a wild guess. Nothing personal, just throwing that out there. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to nail down a few of my favorite blends that I do buy, but close only counts in horseshoes and I'm a little far away from nailing down exactly what's in there.

I can say with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns do not make their juices by mixing flavor west
I know with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion make their own extracts
I know with 100% certainty that Ahlusion uses its own innovative system to do the extracts using a co2 method

And I would challenge you or anyone else to show any mix that taste as natural as these using flav west

 

[KjAthena]

I can say with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns do not make their juices by mixing flavor west
I know with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion make their own extracts
I know with 100% certainty that Ahlusion uses its own innovative system to do the extracts using a co2 method

And I would challenge you or anyone else to show any mix that taste as natural as these using flav west

AiV also makes extracts themselves...people have been trying for a couple of years to clone the flavors they make with no sucess...not a vendor just a customer who loves AiV, 5 pawns and Nude Nicotine to name a few

 

[vjc0628]

AiV also makes extracts themselves...people have been trying for a couple of years to clone the flavors they make with no sucess...not a vendor just a customer who loves AiV, 5 pawns and Nude Nicotine to name a few

Yes they do and there are many others as well honestly that's what makes great quality

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I can say with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns do not make their juices by mixing flavor west
I know with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion make their own extracts
I know with 100% certainty that Ahlusion uses its own innovative system to do the extracts using a co2 method

And I would challenge you or anyone else to show any mix that taste as natural as these using flav west

Everyone has a different palate, so what tastes natural to you may taste like chemicals to someone else; that much has been proven in dozens of threads across the forum. Not everyone tastes the same thing and may never - there's tons of reasons why ranging from palate, sensitivity to flavoring, dead taste buds and the list goes on, that's why the "taste is subjective" line is used so much.

I never said any of them used FW, rather, that it's impossible to know exactly who they use, whether it's FW or another vendor for flavoring. You may be able to pull out certain flavors from certain juices, but I don't know many smokers that are classified as and capable of being super-tasters due to what smoking does to your taste buds. Especially those that have smoked for 10, 20 or 30+ years.

I'm not arguing the methods, only that unless you've tried every single flavor and combination, and know the tastes + can pull the tastes out of the juice, it's going to be hard to nail down exactly who uses what and in which juice.

That being said, you can make your own extracts using existing extracts as a base and then mix those with the one's you've created (such as vanilla extract since it's one of the easier to make). I know that much as I do my own extracts as well. Not just for vaping, but for daily use as well. They're quite a bit better than chemically formed flavors, but they can be much more expensive to make, especially a decent sized batch as what I would expect others to go through.

 

[Aviz]

I am sure they are great. What's your point ? Are you being relevant to the discussion?

I can say with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion 5 pawns do not make their juices by mixing flavor west
I know with 100% certainty that Nickoticket Ahlusion make their own extracts
I know with 100% certainty that Ahlusion uses its own innovative system to do the extracts using a co2 method

And I would challenge you or anyone else to show any mix that taste as natural as these using flav west

 

[Aviz]

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[xtwosm0kesx]

I am sure they are great. What's your point ? Are you being relevant to the discussion?

Nice stealth edit, you forgot to remove the (space) after fanboy.

*Own EDIT*

You really need to stop insinuating things and insulting people.

We get it, you want juice makers to give you the juice at cost, you hate people profiting off their work/intellectual property, and we're all shills for some unnamed juice company just for trying to give you some realistic feedback on the cost of juice.

Stay classy!