Who uses xc-116 ceramic wick?

[NatureBoy]

You have to do the "Heat Treating" yourself using a kiln, and firing it to their specifications to harden it. It's easy if you have access to a kiln. If you don't you would have to find someone to fire it in their kiln for you.

Ok, I thought you were referring to two different products. I get it now..

 

[MAlzado]

i am curious about this wick, but dont want to order a huge amount, is there a way to just get a short length?

They sell it by the foot. 1 foot is the minimum. The site is formatted a little odd. I didn't understand at first either.

 

[Insane]

After reading so much about this XC-116 usages can anyone tell me did i made a wrong choice purchasing it? I just bought it.

Kinda confuse about the wick now. Some said not safe to use it? Some said need to do the "Heat Treating" using a kiln before using it? Some just use it raw without doing anything?

So can someone please advice on this? thanks million.

 

[MrKrinkle]

You must burn off the sizing using a KILN is best but you can use a torch or simply roast it like a marshmallow over an open flame before using it... XC-116 is ceramic wick please make sure to heat it till it glows red this will ensure you have burned off all the sizing material... I honestly believe anybody who has had any issue with XC-116 did not follow this advice well and it was the sizing not being burned off completely that has caused the issue... the fibers of XC-116 may shed yes but because no coil you could ever make would be hot enough to vaporize the XC-116 there is no way for it to get into your lungs period... the worst thing the little fibers could ever do is gum up up your coil and make your juice look like a snow globe in extreme conditions... but again just to make it perfectly clear it is impossible to vaporize XC-116 with any coil used in an atomizer for e-cigs... a simple fact to support my claim is simply the heat treatment process of burning off the sizing if it doesnt melt in a KILN, under a torch or over a flame then please explain to me how you are able to inhale even the smallest particle of XC-116... the worst you could do would be to get some juice in your mouth that may have some shedding in it well its not going to hurt you I promise youll live and its the nicotine that tastes awful not the XC-116... my logic is undeniable the proof is in the puddin and thats that...

After reading so much about this XC-116 usages can anyone tell me did i made a wrong choice purchasing it? I just bought it.

Kinda confuse about the wick now. Some said not safe to use it? Some said need to do the "Heat Treating" using a kiln before using it? Some just use it raw without doing anything?

So can someone please advice on this? thanks million.

 

[Poppa D]

MrKrinkle,
You are correct these particles can't be burnt by the coil, but they don't need to be vaporized to be ingested. You are vaping your liquid and they are in your liquid, they are going to be ingested.

They are quite light and float easily, there is nothing stopping them from traveling up the wick with the juice and simply being inhaled with the vapor. Its unfortunate, but true, they aren't heavy enough to just sink, they float. Having them in liquid doesn't make them go away, it just slows them down.

The process of vaping is inhaling through a small tube thereby creating considerable turbulence in the chamber that holds the coil and juice, any small particles will be lifted off of the coil and ingested. In fact, the vaping process removes the liquid allowing these particles to be released in that environment.

If you take a piece of XC116 and "pop" it or "snap" it in front of a good light, or a sun beam it showers particles, heat treated or not the particles don't vanish.

You must burn off the sizing using a KILN is best but you can use a torch or simply roast it like a marshmallow over an open flame before using it... XC-116 is ceramic wick please make sure to heat it till it glows red this will ensure you have burned off all the sizing material... I honestly believe anybody who has had any issue with XC-116 did not follow this advice well and it was the sizing not being burned off completely that has caused the issue... the fibers of XC-116 may shed yes but because no coil you could ever make would be hot enough to vaporize the XC-116 there is no way for it to get into your lungs period... the worst thing the little fibers could ever do is gum up up your coil and make your juice look like a snow globe in extreme conditions... but again just to make it perfectly clear it is impossible to vaporize XC-116 with any coil used in an atomizer for e-cigs... a simple fact to support my claim is simply the heat treatment process of burning off the sizing if it doesnt melt in a KILN, under a torch or over a flame then please explain to me how you are able to inhale even the smallest particle of XC-116... the worst you could do would be to get some juice in your mouth that may have some shedding in it well its not going to hurt you I promise youll live and its the nicotine that tastes awful not the XC-116... my logic is undeniable the proof is in the puddin and thats that...

 

[MrKrinkle]

A wet fiber will not magically float through the air as a dry fiber will... take some NEXTEL moisten it with anything water e-cig juice heck apple juice and show me all these flying fibers I dare you I triple dog dare you... lol... the worst that can happen is these floating fibers gum up your coil and even then the coil does not produce the heat needed to vaporize them... or you may get some juice in your mouth that contains some of these fibers which will not hurt you and will still fail to make their way into your lungs...

MrKrinkle,
You are correct these particles can't be burnt by the coil, but they don't need to be vaporized to be ingested. You are vaping your liquid and they are in your liquid, they are going to be ingested.

They are quite light and float easily, there is nothing stopping them from traveling up the wick with the juice and simply being inhaled with the vapor. Its unfortunate, but true, they aren't heavy enough to just sink, they float. Having them in liquid doesn't make them go away, it just slows them down.

The process of vaping is inhaling through a small tube thereby creating considerable turbulence in the chamber that holds the coil and juice, any small particles will be lifted off of the coil and ingested. In fact, the vaping process removes the liquid allowing these particles to be released in that environment.

If you take a piece of XC116 and "pop" it or "snap" it in front of a good light, or a sun beam it showers particles, heat treated or not the particles don't vanish.

 

[NatureBoy]

woof.............

 

[Zoranth]

Gentlemen,

Please, there is no need to get upset over this. it is just one persons opinion over the others. If a person does not feel they can safely use a specific product as a substitute for their wick it is their prerogative to do so. Just as it is yours to use it. Yes, presenting your case to one another is perfectly fine (Wet, Dry, Flaking etc) but no need to get the slightest bit hostile about it.

Present the information, your studies, your experiences, etc. Then leave it up to those who wish to try it to make up their own minds.

Just one thing I would like to point out. Unless someone is willing to fork over the funds to have a professional study done as to the appropriateness of this product being a viably safe substitute for the wick provided then it is a moot discussion anyways.

 

[Para]

Gentlemen,

Please, there is no need to get upset over this. it is just one persons opinion over the others. If a person does not feel they can safely use a specific product as a substitute for their wick it is their prerogative to do so. Just as it is yours to use it. Yes, presenting your case to one another is perfectly fine (Wet, Dry, Flaking etc) but no need to get the slightest bit hostile about it.

Present the information, your studies, your experiences, etc. Then leave it up to those who wish to try it to make up their own minds.

Just one thing I would like to point out. Unless someone is willing to fork over the funds to have a professional study done as to the appropriateness of this product being a viably safe substitute for the wick provided then it is a moot discussion anyways.

Has anyone funded a professional study for ANY wicking material?

 

[sacredgaming]

It is amazing that people will worry about what they are putting in their bodies when it comes to vaping but, will go right out and eat a processed burger and not think twice or even worse when they did smoke analogs didnt question the list of 599 chemicals approved by the government for use in analogs of which 69 are carcinogenic. There are going to be inherent risk with vaping however subtle they may be.+1 for para I would love to see some serious not biased labs do testing on what we vape.

 

[Poppa D]

Sacredgaming,
Logic and addiction don't make good bedfellows. Logic does not calm drug stressed nerves which cause insanely dramatic anxiety.

Zoranth,
I'm just pointing out the facts in a rather windy manner, at 2 AM.
Vaping, is vaporizing away the liquid to release the nicotine it contains. But unfortunately in this case the particles that it holds.

Para,
Imeo chose ROTH approved wick. He made an as intelligent and informed choice as is possible currently.

MrKrinkle,
Once the particles are vaped they are dried and released from the liquid. Once these particles reach the body they are ingested by what ever moist tissue they come in contact with.

 

[Para]

Sacredgaming,
Logic and addiction don't make good bedfellows. Logic does not calm drug stressed nerves which cause insanely dramatic anxiety.

Zoranth,
I'm just pointing out the facts in a rather windy manner, at 2 AM.
Vaping, is vaporizing away the liquid to release the nicotine it contains. But unfortunately in this case the particles that it holds.

Para,
Imeo chose ROTH approved wick. He made an as intelligent and informed choice as is possible currently.

MrKrinkle,
Once the particles are vaped they are dried and released from the liquid. Once these particles reach the body they are ingested by what ever moist tissue they come in contact with.

Poppa,

Thanks for the info, but I have one question for you. You state particles are in the liquid as if it were an absolute fact. I'm curious if you believe everyone has the same experience as yours.

Thanks

 

[Poppa D]

Para,
The XC116 is stiff but pliable before heating it, and stiffer, less pliable after. I found it to be brittle and fragile after the heat treatment. It was easy to break it apart with little effort using only my hands, no tools.

I used it any way. While using it in my iAtty, occasionally for various reasons I would drain the tank into an empty bottle and take care of what ever task I was doing, and then pour it back into the tank.

I started to think about these particles and fibers, it occurred to me that I should save a sample of this used liquid for a better inspection. The liquid looked dirty to me, with small grey colored flecks. After letting it sit over night these flecks had settled to the bottom of the bottle. I poured the liquid out and wiped the bottle out with a tissue, flecks were in my juice. I rinsed the bottle clean and repeated the process each time I drained the tank. These flecks were real, not a singled out instance.

So after posting these concerns someone suggested applying a filter to the mouthpiece to prevent them from being ingested. I did this with mesh screen, as well as carto filler, even tissue. Thats when I realized all of the liquid is being ingested, every mil, and what ever is in it. The filters plug up almost instantly with liquid, and they ruin the vapor completely.

Still I used it, everyone else is and still are, until I started to cough and breath heavy. I put every effort into minimizing the risks that I had proven existed to myself, only to acquire a nice respiratory hack at every effort.

 

[Para]

Para,
The XC116 is stiff but pliable before heating it, and stiffer, less pliable after. I found it to be brittle and fragile after the heat treatment. It was easy to break it apart with little effort using only my hands, no tools.

I used it any way. While using it in my iAtty, occasionally for various reasons I would drain the tank into an empty bottle and take care of what ever task I was doing, and then pour it back into the tank.

I started to think about these particles and fibers, it occurred to me that I should save a sample of this used liquid for a better inspection. The liquid looked dirty to me, with small grey colored flecks. After letting it sit over night these flecks had settled to the bottom of the bottle. I poured the liquid out and wiped the bottle out with a tissue, flecks were in my juice. I rinsed the bottle clean and repeated the process each time I drained the tank. These flecks were real, not a singled out instance.

So after posting these concerns someone suggested applying a filter to the mouthpiece to prevent them from being ingested. I did this with mesh screen, as well as carto filler, even tissue. Thats when I realized all of the liquid is being ingested, every mil, and what ever is in it. The filters plug up almost instantly with liquid, and they ruin the vapor completely.

Still I used it, everyone else is and still are, until I started to cough and breath heavy. I put every effort into minimizing the risks that I had proven existed to myself, only to acquire a nice respiratory hack at every effort.

Poppa,

I am well aware of your experience; you've shared it many times, but that wasn't my question.

Thanks

 

[Poppa D]

I'm sorry Para, you suggested the filter, and tried it first, my apologies for forgetting the details.

The hacking went away after I stopped using it. I don't know what more to add.

I've read but not commented on the experiences others are posting, live and let live.

I did not intend to hijack the thread, but only to express care and concern for another persons welfare.

 

[Para]

I'm sorry Para, you suggested the filter, and tried it first, my apologies for forgetting the details.

The hacking went away after I stopped using it. I don't know what more to add.

I've read but not commented on the experiences others are posting, live and let live.

I did not intend to hijack the thread, but only to express care and concern for another persons welfare.

Poppa,
I feel badly your experience was not good; stopping was a wise decision for you. But, other people have had experiences that are quite different than yours. I am all for you and anyone else sharing their experience, but it seemed like you discounted anyone who had success with 116. If I'm wrong I apologize.

 

[Poppa D]

Para,
I might seem overzealous, I'm sorry if it seems so. I was only trying to acknowledge and contribute to another persons statement. I've been trying to take the high road and not have any personal conflict, just get my point of view across with out aggression towards anyone else.

Should others comment or complain of breathing issues directly related to XC116 I will possibly respond to those peoples posts as well.

 

[Rick.45cal]

Well we all could just argue for days over personal experience, which is neither scientific, nor is it productive. Or we could look up the health information that 3M probably paid many many thousands of dollars to have an independent lab do. Seems to me that it is a no brainer that the actual lab research is probably WAY more accurate than suppositions, hypothesis etc.

I haven't posted this link, it's been available on the web, a.k.a. it's part of the MSDS, it is public knowledge.

http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/ceramics/pdfs/health_safety.pdf

Now all everyone has to do is read it, but that probably won't happen so I might as well copy, paste, and highlight all the areas for members who aren't going to take 5 mins to read it.

 

[Para]

Rick,

I uploaded the PDF that came with the 116 on another thread in case anyone wants to have a copy.

Attached might be the same doc....see below....

What works for me is to fire the 116 with a torch really well. Mod the ceramic so there's no "abuse" from the knurled ring or the threaded base or the mouthpiece....it just lays where it should be with a piece of wire wrapped around it. The stock wick works really well; I just prefer the 116's performance. As long as it's working like it's working I'm good with it.

 

[Rick.45cal]

That's the exact firing instuctions I use when I Heat treat (harden) my nextel. The link I provided is from the technical manual that is available online, there is a case study describing in detail the testing done on lab rats as well, which is eluding me at the moment. The document I provided provides an accurate synopsis of the case study, (which I have fully read multiple times BEFORE, I vaped on this stuff) regarding the effects on a lab rats. The foreshortened version doesn't include the facts that in order for them to actually get the fibers into the rats lungs they had to insert a tube into the lungs to bypass the mucus membranes. Otherwise the particles would have never made it into the lungs.

Yes the document says that it may irritate the upper respiratory tract if inhaled, this is true! But inhaling ANY particles will do this, (Silica based wicks will and DO shed too.) Here's the catch! It is all about what it does once it is inside of you. ALL of the research I have seen shows that Nextel is a large, and biologically inert particle. It doesn't cause cancer or mesothelioma or silicosis, even when dumped in un realistic quantities directly into the lungs of lab rats.

I personally have never stated that this is a certified safe product, all I can do is suggest that people educate themselves before they do, it's all there in black and white.

Imeo has a perfect wick! It's has two safety certificates.

Nextel 312 (xc 116) isn't a plug and play ecig product folks. This is an aerospace heat shielding product that some of us have been exploring.