I am new to vaping and I have a lot of questions about what is in the smoke juices- I am not talking PG or VG and the elusive "flavors"- everyone knows about that. But what about things like artificial sweeteners (which degrade into toxic products when heated) certain toxic artificial dyes or anything that might be allergenic (even food products) etc. I am as concerned about what is in the entities that I inhale as I am to what is in the food I eat or air I breathe or the water I drink or the products that I apply topically. But I notice that on this forum everyone just bristles if you mention anything about labeling and about ingredients. A lot of people have sensitivities to certain food, scents, food coloring etc. So to me it is a legitimate and informed question. We ask for disclosure on all products that we are in contact with and exposed to. So Why are people on this forum so defensive and even hostile when someone asks about what is in smoke juice? My Dad smoked Kent cigarettes for their micro filters and it was later revealed that there was asbestos in the filters. So why is it wrong to want to know if there is anything harmful in the smoke juices? Not to mention the fiber fill in cartomizers? Isn't it wiser to know what you are inhaling than burying your head in the sand? So.. What am I missing?
Why are people so defensive on this site?
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Solid blocks of text are very hard for some people to read online. Perhaps they are not understanding your questions?
I am sorry you feel that people have been defensive towards you, this is not the way we treat members here.
As for flavorings, in the DIY sub forum there is great info on flavors and ingredients.
If it is a supplier, perhaps state up front what ingredient you have an issue with, and ask if that is in what you are interested in...??
Some of the more complex liquids tho, I really doubt if the exact flavorings used would be disclosed as that would be "giving away" their "secret recipe"
Truely, searching ECF...answers to most every question is in here.
As for flavorings, in the DIY sub forum there is great info on flavors and ingredients.
If it is a supplier, perhaps state up front what ingredient you have an issue with, and ask if that is in what you are interested in...??
Some of the more complex liquids tho, I really doubt if the exact flavorings used would be disclosed as that would be "giving away" their "secret recipe"
Truely, searching ECF...answers to most every question is in here.
The honest answer is nobody really knows.
There have been no scientific studies made on the safety on what is in e-juice. From what we know, the pg, vg, and nicotine are all USP or USFG approved for consumption, but no studies made for inhalation.
Most of us would rather take our chances vaping knowing there could be risks involved because at one time we smoked thousands of chemicals now known to be cancer producing or harmful. It seems logical to us that vaping has to be far more safer than cigarettes.
As for the defensive attitudes, its likely a reaction caused by the scrutiny of ignorant alarmist groups like ANTZ that occassionally troll here.
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I just went and read nearly all your posts and the subsequent responses. Nowhere did i find anyone (besides you) being confrontational or defensive in ANY of their posts/replies to you.
If anything the VAST majority of the people on this board seem nothing but friendly, helpful, and willing to bend over backwards to help inform people and further the e-cig dialog.
Just because everyone doesn't clamor to automatically agree with your alarmist issues with e-cigs and the few chemicals (or theoretical chemicals) we MAY be coming into contact with, does not make them defensive.
The key point remains, no matter how you look at it the 'unknowns' regarding chemicals in e-cigs certainly seem to outweight the 'knowns' regarding regular death sticks.
If anything the VAST majority of the people on this board seem nothing but friendly, helpful, and willing to bend over backwards to help inform people and further the e-cig dialog.
Just because everyone doesn't clamor to automatically agree with your alarmist issues with e-cigs and the few chemicals (or theoretical chemicals) we MAY be coming into contact with, does not make them defensive.
The key point remains, no matter how you look at it the 'unknowns' regarding chemicals in e-cigs certainly seem to outweight the 'knowns' regarding regular death sticks.
If you are sensitive to citrus fruits or allergic to nuts etc, you would want to be self aware and research your E liquid supplier and confirm the juice you are purchasing does not contain those particular extracts.
If flavoring ingredients are your main concern, begin by finding an all Natural and Organic E liquid manufacturer, and buy flavors that are simple and contain one flavor. Example : Apple or Grape 0 nicotine , verses Crusted Apple Pie Cobbler. This would bring you to a minimal of added ingredients until you find the one that works for you and your peace of mind.
If flavoring ingredients are your main concern, begin by finding an all Natural and Organic E liquid manufacturer, and buy flavors that are simple and contain one flavor. Example : Apple or Grape 0 nicotine , verses Crusted Apple Pie Cobbler. This would bring you to a minimal of added ingredients until you find the one that works for you and your peace of mind.
I agree about the juices and I also want to know what I'm inhaling ,but as far as the members here being defensive, no, they have been very helpful to newbies from what I can tell by reading this forum.
I haven't been to the juice section ,but will be very soon . Hopefully they are as helpful as the people here in the newbie section
PS: There's nothing alarmist about wanting to know the ingredients of any juice. Whatever info
you can find is great,but be mindful companies aren't going to release all their info in fear of other companies stealing their brews.
That being said not enclosing the ingredients is one of the very things that will be used
against juice companies by the people who are looking to ban them.
It's a catch 22 thingy..screwed if you do and screwed if you don't.
I haven't been to the juice section ,but will be very soon . Hopefully they are as helpful as the people here in the newbie section
PS: There's nothing alarmist about wanting to know the ingredients of any juice. Whatever info
you can find is great,but be mindful companies aren't going to release all their info in fear of other companies stealing their brews.
That being said not enclosing the ingredients is one of the very things that will be used
against juice companies by the people who are looking to ban them.
It's a catch 22 thingy..screwed if you do and screwed if you don't.
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The ARE certain topics that seem to bring out "bristlers" and there are a few folks who're just bristly. Not very many, and they're not typical of the folks a ECF. Keep asking, you'll find out what you want to know.
Baditude has it exactly right, however - no one knows for sure whether or how much. And people react differently, and like different things. So your mileage is very, very likely to vary - no matter what juice or device you're using. And honestly, I think you're smart to wonder what's in your vape.
I'm an herbalist, and although I haven't started doing DIY juice yet, I plan to experiment with all-natural herbal materials. FYI, even though I'm not talking about anything illegal or questionable, that's one of the topics that seems to bring out the bristlers. Don't let it bother ya.
Baditude has it exactly right, however - no one knows for sure whether or how much. And people react differently, and like different things. So your mileage is very, very likely to vary - no matter what juice or device you're using. And honestly, I think you're smart to wonder what's in your vape.
I'm an herbalist, and although I haven't started doing DIY juice yet, I plan to experiment with all-natural herbal materials. FYI, even though I'm not talking about anything illegal or questionable, that's one of the topics that seems to bring out the bristlers. Don't let it bother ya.
Have to agree with Baditude on the research portion. Vaping as far as I am aware is still a really new subject, especially considered academically. There are researchers that have spent a ton of time (decades) researching tobacco and probably are still focused on it. So while we move into the new age of vaping, it will probably still be a full 10 years more before research catches up and starts to investigate.
I think the way research goes is they see no point in researching "fads" it takes time until something changes from a fad to a normal day tons of people are actively doing it and will continue to do it sort of way.
That being the case, you'll have to make decisions yourself regarding what you want to and don't want to put into your body. If you have an issue with an ingredient, search around and you'll find something that doesn't have it. Let the vendors know you're concern and I'm sure somebody will be more than willing to help you with whatever the case may be.
I think the way research goes is they see no point in researching "fads" it takes time until something changes from a fad to a normal day tons of people are actively doing it and will continue to do it sort of way.
That being the case, you'll have to make decisions yourself regarding what you want to and don't want to put into your body. If you have an issue with an ingredient, search around and you'll find something that doesn't have it. Let the vendors know you're concern and I'm sure somebody will be more than willing to help you with whatever the case may be.
Folks being defensive could also be just a perception on your part.
I'd speculate that those you perceive to be defensive might feel that ecigs and ejuices (most don't refer to it as "smoke" juice) are the real deal because they helped them quit smoking, and that is a tightly held belief on their part. When those defensive individuals feel (based on speculating about their perception) that you might be attacking that tightly held belief, that could cause them to behave in the manner you described.
I'd posit that if perhaps you approached things in a different manner, folks might be much more responsive.
Having said that, I'd be more likely to agree with what Gerick said, that most folks on here are pretty helpful. I know many were when I started here.
I'd speculate that those you perceive to be defensive might feel that ecigs and ejuices (most don't refer to it as "smoke" juice) are the real deal because they helped them quit smoking, and that is a tightly held belief on their part. When those defensive individuals feel (based on speculating about their perception) that you might be attacking that tightly held belief, that could cause them to behave in the manner you described.
I'd posit that if perhaps you approached things in a different manner, folks might be much more responsive.
Having said that, I'd be more likely to agree with what Gerick said, that most folks on here are pretty helpful. I know many were when I started here.
I have some food allergies, so I have found it helpful to just ask the vendors if a juice contains a certain flavoring. This way I get a yes or no and they aren't revealing their special recipe. I have also inquired about diactyl in bakery flavors. If a vendor cannot answer that questions, don't buy it.
Just another thought... If you hardly use your ecig, and barely smoked before.. and you have many concerns about what's in your ejuices (which IS a good question), perhaps you could attain that which many of us can't or won't: completely quit smoking AND vaping.
That is a very viable option also.
That is a very viable option also.
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Actually Most here have already learned most of the important information and get tired of rehashing over and over........
E-liquids are of little mystery. They are very simple in design, have very few actual components and are simple to produce.
You seem to already know the Basic main ingredients:
Polyethylene Glycol
Vegetable Glycerin
Nicotine
Flavorings are almost all simple chemical blends that approximate real items - Tobacco/fruits/Deserts/Drink Flavors
These ingredients ARE approved for Human consumption. A few do have dangerous effects and most if not all E-liquid producers have stopped using them.
Most do NOT use any food colorings, though a Few mixes do, for recognition. (Gimmicky)
Sweeteners are mostly artificial, NOT sugar - as it tends to damage equipment.
Are e-liquids safe to Vape? Maybe, maybe not.
Bigger question - Are Cigarettes Safe to Smoke? Definitely NOT!
So, should this be a Health argument or a healthier alternative debate?
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I now vape flavorless as do many others here. Problem is there's very little statistical data in regards to the ingredients in juice vapor. Recently read 2 studies- one stated certain questionable "byproducts" of PG are in the vapor while the other study stated certain questionable "byproducts" of VG are in the vapor
When it comes to the digestive tract and the lungs they are worlds apart in regards to accepting substances. An example...tap water perfectly safe to drink but not safe to use/ rinse the nasal passages.
When it comes to the digestive tract and the lungs they are worlds apart in regards to accepting substances. An example...tap water perfectly safe to drink but not safe to use/ rinse the nasal passages.
As I read your post when you first put it up, I thought to myself " I've not experienced anything like you suggested from any of the folks on this forum. I see the occasional "my favorite Mod or clearomizer is better than your favorite" but that is about the extent of it and there is little of that for the most part. They tend to get serious when it comes to health, juices, properly using equipment and safety issues. And what amazes me is that the folks on here are the general public from all over the globe pretty much.....just like you and I.
Visiting this post again now that it has a few responses, well, it confirms to me that what you may have perceived is just not the case. The posters before me have all come in here like they tend to do and help out and give you many positive and useful suggestions and answers to the questions you had originally sought out. Heck, I've learned a thing or two by reading this post.
Good luck to you and hope you stick around and learn from all of these different folks like I have been doing. They have welcomed me with open arms and that is a bit rare these days.
Happy Vaping my friend
Visiting this post again now that it has a few responses, well, it confirms to me that what you may have perceived is just not the case. The posters before me have all come in here like they tend to do and help out and give you many positive and useful suggestions and answers to the questions you had originally sought out. Heck, I've learned a thing or two by reading this post.
Good luck to you and hope you stick around and learn from all of these different folks like I have been doing. They have welcomed me with open arms and that is a bit rare these days.
Happy Vaping my friend
I researched e-cigs and ingredients for probably a year before I started vaping. After I did that I was comfortable with my decision to start vaping.
Read as much as you can so you can make an informed decision regarding what is right for you.
There's tons of information on this forum.
Read as much as you can so you can make an informed decision regarding what is right for you.
There's tons of information on this forum.
I've read and read and read on this site. Everyone has been more than nice on anything I've commented on. That
being said I have noticed from time to time some snippy comments on other posts. I ignore them. Who knows what
the person posting that is going through at the time, has gone through recently, or what kind of day they're having.
The written word can be taken in so many different ways. I give them the benefit of the doubt. If someone should happen
to tick me off (hasn't happened yet) I do believe there is an ignore feature in here. Just be nice and respectful and I think
you'll find that most people will be nice and respectful back. In many instances, we get what we give out, ya know? But
we're all in this wonderful thing called vaping together. Enjoy.
being said I have noticed from time to time some snippy comments on other posts. I ignore them. Who knows what
the person posting that is going through at the time, has gone through recently, or what kind of day they're having.
The written word can be taken in so many different ways. I give them the benefit of the doubt. If someone should happen
to tick me off (hasn't happened yet) I do believe there is an ignore feature in here. Just be nice and respectful and I think
you'll find that most people will be nice and respectful back. In many instances, we get what we give out, ya know? But
we're all in this wonderful thing called vaping together. Enjoy.
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