Thank you. I have been trying to get answers from the source and what I am asking here is what I could not get answers to and I hoped others might have already researched it. Why re-invent the wheel? It is clear to me now that my concerns are not what this forum is about. So I will just research and decide for myself which is really all we can do.
Why are people so defensive on this site?
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Thank you. I have been trying to get answers from the source and what I am asking here is what I could not get answers to and I hoped others might have already researched it. Why re-invent the wheel? It is clear to me now that my concerns are not what this forum is about. So I will just research and decide for myself which is really all we can do.
with all of your technical background, could you not use your credentials when contacting the manufacturers to get to the bottom of the question at hand, i also would be very interested in fiding out what happens to certain flavourings etc, when heated, at what temp they go towards the dangerous side, if there is a safe temp to be inhaled and so on. you could be a very valuable asset to this forum and to vapers everywhere.
I used to create software for medically validated devices so I understand where you're coming from, the problem is you're asking in the wrong field. These are not medical devices nor are the liquids you put in them medicines. It's an entirely different degree of rigor since they are regulated and labeled as a tobacco product.
When's the last time you saw the contents of a tobacco product labeled with any more rigor than contains a blend of domestic and imported tobacco? So, I would follow the suggestions you've already received. Ask about specific compounds of concern or roll your own. The only other alternative is to pay for a spectroscopic analysis of the brands you wish to try. Nothing defensive in those statements, that's the answer even if you want more, there is no more we can give you. People aren't being defensive, they just don't know.
When's the last time you saw the contents of a tobacco product labeled with any more rigor than contains a blend of domestic and imported tobacco? So, I would follow the suggestions you've already received. Ask about specific compounds of concern or roll your own. The only other alternative is to pay for a spectroscopic analysis of the brands you wish to try. Nothing defensive in those statements, that's the answer even if you want more, there is no more we can give you. People aren't being defensive, they just don't know.
Is this where this thread started?
Any hew......
Great Question,
I don't recall being able to tell you what was in my Newports.
Been over a year for me personally.
I feel amazing TBH.
Is this stuff killing me?
Well dying feels AWESOME!
I'm sure some of these juices are probably not very healthy.
I mean you can't just go around vaping apple pie all day and think its not going to effect you.
Absinthe is probably eating me alive.
Odd that food still tastes amazing.
Don't let BT tell you it's dangerous.
Few weeks ago I drove to the store to grab some tummy tabs. (they are for baby gas)
Any Hew......
The tabs had PG in them.
Propylene Glycol.
When I seen that I thought.
PG has been around long time.
Almost Vaped me a tab or two
Quit Smoking..........
Alternatives Have Arrived.........
You are right- many foods DO say that- and I avoid those- so I was just looking to know IF smoke juices use artificial sweeteners or certain dyes. Because I always try to avoid those and would probably also choose not inhale them. Honestly I did not expect some a big reaction from so many people for such a simple query.
Thank you. I have come to the same conclusion on my own. My concerns are too technical and detailed for this forum. So after reading the responses to this thread I will probably have no further reason to visit this site.
Thank you. I am realizing my questions are just too specific and too technical- probably from 35 years of being a pharmacist and knowing every possible detail about every product readily available to me.
I think you are exactly right. I bought a VEA kit and JC calls theirs "smoke juices" so I got used to doing that. I guess it was that defending vaping or "e-liquids" as if I were attacking that, that I perceived. On my first post as a member I did disclose that I just liked the action of smoking. The exhaling and hand to mouth and that I was just seeking good flavors- and that I was not seeking to replace nicotine never having been more than an occasional smoker. I was not asking any questions that I do not also ask about the food I eat and did not expect the reaction I got.
You said earlyer, you are asking in the wrong place, I would expect that if you were conducting research you would go to the source.
Asking a question on an internet forum will get you nothing but opinions. Some of your replys sounded accusatory, which makes people less not more inclined to help you. I believe you said you were a Pharmacist, you wouldn't pole all the customers in a "Rite Aid" about possibly harmful substances in a drug before you decided to prescribe it right? As a medical practitioner you should be more then familiar with the research proses. Artificial sweeteners are used in a lot of juices because they are less likely to gunk up coils. There a few juice makers who claim to be all natural and organic.
What I don't understand is the line of questioning. If you don't want to vape something that could be potentially harmful then don't. I think I read you vape 0 nic. If that's the case, why vape at all. Also your inability to use the lingo, i.e. "smoke Juice" instead of nic juice, E-liquid, or just damn "Juice" is starting to make me feel like your asking these questions with an ulterior motive. You say your a medical professional, I say you should of known where these answers could be found and it's not on an internet forum. You stated you have 35 years as a Pharmacist and the technical training that goes with it. I don't, but I can use Google and with in two minutes I found enough data to convince me I would be fine, to include a great interview with the owner of Virgin Vapors, she goes into exhaustive detail about her ingredients and mixing techniques.
Many people DIY their own juice, they are more then happy to post their recipes and techniques, I can't believe that they vary much from juice venders other then being on a smaller scale.
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Actually Most here have already learned most of the important information and get tired of rehashing over and over........
E-liquids are of little mystery. They are very simple in design, have very few actual components and are simple to produce.
You seem to already know the Basic main ingredients:
Polyethylene Glycol
Vegetable Glycerin
Nicotine
Flavorings are almost all simple chemical blends that approximate real items - Tobacco/fruits/Deserts/Drink Flavors
These ingredients ARE approved for Human consumption. A few do have dangerous effects and most if not all E-liquid producers have stopped using them.
Most do NOT use any food colorings, though a Few mixes do, for recognition. (Gimmicky)
Sweeteners are mostly artificial, NOT sugar - as it tends to damage equipment.
Are e-liquids safe to Vape? Maybe, maybe not.
Bigger question - Are Cigarettes Safe to Smoke? Definitely NOT!
So, should this be a Health argument or a healthier alternative debate?
Thank You- this is exactly what I wanted to know
Not trying to sound defensive, attacking.. or anything other than helpful here.. ok??? If you are concerned about what is in your juice, and since you are vaping zero nic juice, why not go to the store and get a bottle of Kosher VG, thin some with a bit of distilled water, add a bit of candy flavoring from from some place like Michael's and there ya go.. Bob's your Uncle. You have made your own very simple juice and it has exactly 3 things in it. Flavoring, water, and VG. Then you need not worry yourself silly over sweeteners and artificial colors and the like.
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Yes- and that is exactly what I am trying to determine. For instance, if the sweeteners are artificial- and someone else just posted that they are because sugar gunks the equipment- then I will just stop vaping. That is why I asked these questions. So now I got my answer so that is an easy decision- for me, at least.
You may feel more at home in this sub forum: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/medical-professionals-private-forum/
It's private and you have to apply for admittance. Good luck and I hope you find the answers you seek.
It's private and you have to apply for admittance. Good luck and I hope you find the answers you seek.
I now vape flavorless as do many others here. Problem is there's very little statistical data in regards to the ingredients in juice vapor. Recently read 2 studies- one stated certain questionable "byproducts" of PG are in the vapor while the other study stated certain questionable "byproducts" of VG are in the vapor
When it comes to the digestive tract and the lungs they are worlds apart in regards to accepting substances. An example...tap water perfectly safe to drink but not safe to use/ rinse the nasal passages.
YES- thank you- that is why I was asking because eating and inhaling are not at all the same. Someone did answer that since sugar gunks up the equipment, artificial sweeteners are used. I don't use artificial sweeteners even in food so I will probably just stop vaping. I was just vaping for the flavors (not nicotine) so it will be the route I go.
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