Why are "SUPPORTING SUPPLIERS" of this forum still making absurd claims?

[Tallgirl1974]

I think the problem arises when you see the $300 TV at target and immediately buy it without comparing prices and features at other retailers. Two weeks later you see the same size TV for $200 at Walmart and now you are ticked at Target for "ripping you off" when you should be ticked at yourself for being impulsive and in such need of instant gratification that you purchased the first TV you saw.

Target didn't rip anyone off, you ripped yourself off...............(Not you specifically Lu)

No, Target still did the ripping off. By the very definition of the term, buyers don't rip them selves off, they get ripped off. Exploitation of ignorance is still ripping someone off. Duh.
I have been ripped off- I dont want to see others get ripped off- I am not going to defend sellers ripping people off, thats just silly....If I see someone about to pay 4 bucks for gas when I just saw it fdor 2 bucks down the street, Im considerate enough to say "Hey, dude, youre about to get ripped off, check out Kroger instead."

 

[Elendil]

No, Target still did the ripping off. By the very definition of the term, buyers don't rip them selves off, they get ripped off. Exploitation of ignorance is still ripping someone off. Duh.
I have been ripped off- I dont want to see others get ripped off- I am not going to defend sellers ripping people off, thats just silly....If I see someone about to pay 4 bucks for gas when I just saw it fdor 2 bucks down the street, Im considerate enough to say "Hey, dude, youre about to get ripped off, check out Kroger instead."

Now your are getting yet another definition wrong: exploitation.........
Maybe Target cant get the TV's as cheap as walmart, maybe their overhead or labor costs are higher than walmart...and so $300 is what they have to sell the tv for in order to make enough profit to keep the stores open and their employees paid. Target is not exploiting anyone.

All the little mom and pop stores that are forced out of business by walmart (several in my community) always say it was because they could not compete with walmart on price. When you buy 6 million of something, you are bound to get a better price than if you are buying 6.......by your logic all the mom and pop stores have been exploiting and ripping people off for years before walmart's arrival.........You can believe that if you want, but we both know that it is not true.........

 

[Tallgirl1974]

Now your are getting yet another definition wrong: exploitation.........

Its like I am arguing with Bill Clinton. Oh and look, the term was noted in '69..how apropos...
Main Entryronunciation: \ˈrip-ˌȯf\ Function:noun Date:1969 1: an act or instance of stealing : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theft also : a financial exploitation2: a usually cheap exploitative imitation

 

[Ivisi]

Its like I am arguing with Bill Clinton. Oh and look, the term was noted in '69..how apropos...
Main Entryronunciation: \ˈrip-ˌȯf\ Function:noun Date:1969 1: an act or instance of stealing : also : a financial exploitation2: a usually cheap exploitative imitation

He's calling you out on your use of the word exploitation because more than likely, in the Target/Walmart scenario, Target is not exploiting its consumers, they simply cannot match the price of Walmart. There is a big difference there. He's not saying that what you think exploitation means is incorrect, it's applying the term exploitation to the scenario that is incorrect.

Ivisi

 

[Tallgirl1974]

He's calling you out on your use of the word exploitation because more than likely, in the Target/Walmart scenario, Target is not exploiting its consumers, they simply cannot match the price of Walmart. There is a big difference there. He's not saying that what you think exploitation means is incorrect, it's applying the term exploitation to the scenario that is incorrect.

Ivisi

Well, then, I can only be wrong if he can prove target cannot match walmarts prices?
They do carry some of the same brands- at higher prices- and not just higher than walmarts but of several places. Its exploiting ignorance, or at the least, laziness....which can be the same thing really...lol

 

[Ivisi]

Well, then, I can only be wrong if he can prove target cannot match walmarts prices?
They do carry some of the same brands- at higher prices- and not just higher than walmarts but of several places. Its exploiting ignorance, or at the least, laziness....which can be the same thing really...lol

But, when you speak of same brands, that does not equate to same items.

I worked for Best buy a long time ago. We had a price match guarantee, but it had to match the same item at another store. Circuit City would have what would essentially be the same item from the same brand, but the model number would be the same. All of the features would match perfectly, but since it wasn't the same 'model', then no price match. That's a ripoff and exploitation. But guess what? The consumer was free to walk out of the store and go buy the Circuit City item, if they wished.

If it's just because Walmart bought a million of the things for way cheaper than Target could get them, then that's not exploitation by the definition, that's just how the free market works. People who believe they got ripped off or exploited by a reseller/retailer because they found out later that they could get the item up the street for a lower price don't understand that a free economy is more than supply and demand.

Yes, people do get ripped off and exploited. Every day. But, in the vast majority of cases it's just a capitalistic economy doing what it's supposed to do, and it's up to the consumer to be aware of their options and exercise their right to protest against a retailers prices with their wallets. And I have to be honest and state that, for most e-cig suppliers, their prices have nothing to do with trying to rip people off, but it's simply that they charge what they have to in order to maintain their business.

And if you bought something at a higher price at Target because you were too lazy to go elsewhere to get a better deal? You didn't get exploited or ripped off, and it's not Target's fault. You're just lazy, and you deserved it. hehe

Ivisi

 

[Elendil]

He's calling you out on your use of the word exploitation because more than likely, in the Target/Walmart scenario, Target is not exploiting its consumers, they simply cannot match the price of Walmart. There is a big difference there. He's not saying that what you think exploitation means is incorrect, it's applying the term exploitation to the scenario that is incorrect.

Ivisi

BINGO

Well, then, I can only be wrong if he can prove target cannot match walmarts prices?
They do carry some of the same brands- at higher prices- and not just higher than walmarts but of several places. Its exploiting ignorance, or at the least, laziness....which can be the same thing really...lol

So in your world, every retailer has to sell the same product for the same price or the masses are being exploited? And I'd like you to address my question about the mom and pop resellers I asked earlier.....

I know a lot of our back and forth on this issue has been friendly sparring, but you really don't believe this, do you? Really?

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

you know... i would still rather not name names... just look around and see for yourself.

my only real concern is that a noobie would end up there and think that $100+ is ok to pay for a starter kit.

Dont get me wrong , MOST of the supporting suppliers are great ( at least the ones i have dealt with ) and i would certainly pay a little extra for something if i was also getting stellar customer service.

but aside from prices , claiming 2 packs of cigarettes per cart really bothers me ... a lot

I bolded the part that I am addressing.

April 25th I found out about the E-cig. He was selling the DSE901 for at least 60$USD. And that was discounted to me because he and I have been friends for over a decade. I simply could not afford the price.
April 26th I started to do a bit of research which led me to an auction type site and it had a DSE901! Cheap! I was totally like SCORE! It was only after that I found out that the seller had her own website, and I could have gotten it for 5$ cheaper. lol!

It also wasnt until recently that I didnt know that this seller was a seller on here. When I saw a thread that she made, I made sure to compliment her on her awesome shipping, and reasonable prices.

AFTER purchasing though, I found THIS forum, and immediately joined. Got my E-Cig, Got my Juice.... and the rest is history

Not all noobs are umm... dim-witted. Some of us just do alot of research on our own because we are not lazy, and Google is our friend hahaha

 

[David Bruno]

I cant name names because... truthfully... I have clicked on each one multiple times and they are hard to remember...the claims and prices bother me.. have made large orders from china so I can judge quickly whats nuts- if they have batteries for a 901 way over 12 bucks- rip off. Attys for way over 10- rip off. Juice over 15 bucks for 15 ml, ridiculous. I know I am paying for the convenience of not waiting for it to come from overseas- and I know it doesn't have to go thru customs so no worry- so its piece of mind- but come on..these are high and then they add high shipping(its smaller than my pinky finger, It doesn't cost 7 bucks to mail!)...ok I can remember one... Bloog WTF are they thinking? 34 bucks for a battery? Ha. While the digital smoke shop has deices for their kits and parts....its very time consuming when you first start with these- some sites don't clearly mention the fact that you have to spend $100 bucks per order until you go to check out. ARG.
I wish I had the time to rate these sites, not just their juice but their parts- since basically I have tried them all out lol

Tallgirl,
I agree with you all the way. I've been selling new construction for 20 years. All companies in business need to make a reasonable profit, otherwise we close the doors. I don't think you need to make a home run sale on every sale, you won't stay in business long. These e-cig vendors need to make a REASONABLE profit. I will NEVER buy from a dealer with a
100.00 min. We as a community need to call these people out for, false claims or extreme pricing. Let this thread be a warning to the rip offs,
that we will name names. Jumpin off my soap box now!
Dave

 

[Elendil]

I bolded the part that I am addressing.

April 25th I found out about the E-cig. He was selling the DSE901 for at least 60$USD. And that was discounted to me because he and I have been friends for over a decade. I simply could not afford the price.
April 26th I started to do a bit of research which led me to an auction type site and it had a DSE901! Cheap! I was totally like SCORE! It was only after that I found out that the seller had her own website, and I could have gotten it for 5$ cheaper. lol!

It also wasnt until recently that I didnt know that this seller was a seller on here. When I saw a thread that she made, I made sure to compliment her on her awesome shipping, and reasonable prices.

AFTER purchasing though, I found THIS forum, and immediately joined. Got my E-Cig, Got my Juice.... and the rest is history

Not all noobs are umm... dim-witted. Some of us just do alot of research on our own because we are not lazy, and Google is our friend hahaha

A little more research and you would have found that you could have gotten a 901 for half this price..............

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

A little more research and you would have found that you could have gotten a 901 for half this price..............

Really? Where?

 

[Elendil]

Really? Where?

Here you go............

Wholesale E-Cigarette - China Ruyan Wholesale - Discount Electronic Cigarette Wholesale From China

But you have to agree that any supplier selling for more than this price is exploiting the public..........

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

Here you go............

Wholesale E-Cigarette - China Ruyan Wholesale - Discount Electronic Cigarette Wholesale From China

But you have to agree that any supplier selling for more than this price is exploiting the public..........

LOL Actually I did know about these guys. And I do like their site. Its one of those where I wanted to kick my own .... for not being so paranoid haha

 

[Zben504]

In the case of e-cigs that doesn't really apply to target/wallyworld is that some consumers are willing to pay extra for exceptional service. Also people like presentation. If the kit comes in a custom box or has the companies logo screenprinted on the product, it just has class and doesn't look like every other e-cig out there. Paying a little extra for that stuff is worth a lil extra $ for some consumers.

 

[Elendil]

LOL Actually I did know about these guys. And I do like their site. Its one of those where I wanted to kick my own .... for not being so paranoid haha

For the record, I have purchased 2 of these and they work just as well as any other 901...........

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

For the record, I have purchased 2 of these and they work just as well as any other 901...........

Very cool. I do plan on buying a few mainly for the fact that I have several friends who are interested in this, and they are always trying to steal mine. haha

THank you once again

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

In the case of e-cigs that doesn't really apply to target/wallyworld is that some consumers are willing to pay extra for exceptional service. Also people like presentation. If the kit comes in a custom box or has the companies logo screenprinted on the product, it just has class and doesn't look like every other e-cig out there. Paying a little extra for that stuff is worth a lil extra $ for some consumers.

I agree dear, but when you are just wanting to e-cig, no fancy packaging, or emblems then well.... *shrug*

I got the DSE901 in black because I could decorate it or "bling" it out. I am actually a very creative person, and I dont want mine to be like anyone elses in the whole world

All in due time

 

[NY JETS]

Higher prices are not exploitation... Making false claims and tricking people into believing the price is justified is.

I'd love to list all of our products at the China-direct prices but it just isn't feasible for us. It's not that I'm looking to rip people off, we just need to stay in business. If other companies can offer a lower price on something, it is their competitive advantage, and usually the best one you can have. Most people consider price as the biggest factor in a purchase.

 

[LUX Vaporer]

In the case of e-cigs that doesn't really apply to target/wallyworld is that some consumers are willing to pay extra for exceptional service. Also people like presentation. If the kit comes in a custom box or has the companies logo screenprinted on the product, it just has class and doesn't look like every other e-cig out there. Paying a little extra for that stuff is worth a lil extra $ for some consumers.

As far as pricing is concerned, I totally agree. Also consumers have to take in to consideration, the countless hours spent, the marketing, promotions, advertising, re-labeling, re-packaging, returns, refunds, and the risk in general. The list goes on..

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

Higher prices are not exploitation... Making false claims and tricking people into believing the price is justified is.

I'd love to list all of our products at the China-direct prices but it just isn't feasible for us. It's not that I'm looking to rip people off, we just need to stay in business. If other companies can offer a lower price on something, it is their competitive advantage, and usually the best one you can have. Most people consider price as the biggest factor in a purchase.

Unfortunately that is true. Take myself for instance. I have $550 for rent, 150$ for elec & cable internet, 50$ for insurance, and 60$ for cell. But with only 260$ a week to pay it on, money is tight.

So I have to go with the best price rather than fancy packaging It sucks but that is the economy at this time.