why are you not signing the petition!
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So you really believe that writing letters to our "representatives" is so much more effective than a petition? Do you think the tools in Washington actually read the letters sent to them? They couldn't care less. Especially on an issue that stands to affect their money. BP sends tons of money to our "representatives" every year to ensure that things happen as BP wants. No amount of letters from us common folk are going to change that.
Neither will a petition, although I did sign it. I am trying to do my part but in reality nothing we do, short of civil disobedience, is going to change anything. Write all the letters you want. Your Senator's underling is simply going to screen it and proceed to file it in the circular file. They will never see it.
Did the Civil Rights movement happen my writing politely to the people in power at the time? Nope. You see what it took for equal rights to happen, and that was an issue that the entire nation was involved in. vaping is not anywhere near that level and you think a letter is going to help?
Petitions are the voice of the people, its our Constitional way of being heard. It doesnt hurt to have signed it, who knows.
People seem to have a defeatest additude here.
Short of having a planned walk on Washington, its our Constitutional right to petition our government to be heard. Its a way for the people to be heard.
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Agreed...we need to fight, I have signed and started to write letters. Also Joined CASAA and donate as well! I just have a hard time trusting the people in our government. Too many are busy representing themselves.
My attitude is anything but defeatist. I just know it will take more than a petition and some letters to change the good ole boy network in Washington. They make the rules and can adjust them on the fly. If America would wake up and vote no incumbents then maybe that would send a message that we are tired of the same old crap. But that is not going to happen. The politicians are too good at making hot spot issues like immigration and abortion important enough to vote for the current liar in office, ignoring all the other issues at hand.
Once we wake up and realize that we should not let one single issue guide our vote then things will change. We, as a people, tend to vote on the current hot issue and not look at the overall picture. And don't even get me started on the electoral college. If you do some research you will find out that many Americans don't even get a "vote" that counts. Just look at the last election. It was settled long before the votes from Alaska were even counted. Ask the Alaskans how they feel about their vote. I would personally be ...... off.
Once we wake up and realize that we should not let one single issue guide our vote then things will change. We, as a people, tend to vote on the current hot issue and not look at the overall picture. And don't even get me started on the electoral college. If you do some research you will find out that many Americans don't even get a "vote" that counts. Just look at the last election. It was settled long before the votes from Alaska were even counted. Ask the Alaskans how they feel about their vote. I would personally be ...... off.
And short of having a planned walk on Washington your voice will NOT be heard. The politicians in Washington respond to the squeaky wheel and sending a letter that is easily ignored or signing a petition that is just as easily ignored is not being squeaky. Demonstrating by the thousands publicly is being very squeaky. If the general public doesn't see it, it never happened.
We, as vapers, do not make up enough of the population to constitute a threat to the power of a politician. We can't get enough votes together to boot out the current liar in power so they are not afraid of us, nor will they listen to us. However, if BP cuts off funds to our "representatives" then that constitutes a real threat to their power. How will they pay for the attack ads and all the other illicit things that go on during a campaign?
Until this becomes explosively loud then you can prepare to ride out the worst of the storm. I am not being defeatist, just a realist. If we could muster enough people and support to make a public stink then maybe we could get somewhere. I will not give up the fight but I think we need to take a look at how we are fighting it.
Of course its going to take more than a petition and letters but its a start.
Educating powers to be, educating the general public, and so on.
We have been pushed in the shadows as smokers and there is where we remain as vapors if we dont start fighting and speaking up where ever we can.
Its going to take everyone of us people that vape to be heard as one voice. So far its been the non-smokers being heard as one voice and see what they did they got laws passed. We need powers that be behind us, on our side. But first they need to learn, and not learn from all the garbage and propaganda being spread.
It is not the non-smokers that got the laws passed. It is BP, in the background. Where do you think the non-smokers got their information?
Before we can fight the good fight we need to admit what is actually happening. Non-smokers don't really care if you vape in your own home. Why would they? It is only due to the influence of BP and the FDA (which is really just BP) that they picked a horse in the race. Until misinformation is stopped we can hang it up. And writing a letter to someone who has financial interests in the opposition to get our information out there is not going to help.
We need to work outside the government to spread our message. My previous Civil Rights movement analogy applies here as well. Did the government help spread the message of civil rights or did the people involved in the movement educate others as to the right of their cause? Changing things that can create a hardship on the government is not going to happen with the help of the government.
Before we can fight the good fight we need to admit what is actually happening. Non-smokers don't really care if you vape in your own home. Why would they? It is only due to the influence of BP and the FDA (which is really just BP) that they picked a horse in the race. Until misinformation is stopped we can hang it up. And writing a letter to someone who has financial interests in the opposition to get our information out there is not going to help.
We need to work outside the government to spread our message. My previous Civil Rights movement analogy applies here as well. Did the government help spread the message of civil rights or did the people involved in the movement educate others as to the right of their cause? Changing things that can create a hardship on the government is not going to happen with the help of the government.
I understand with what your saying we are up against some heavy weights and alot of money being exchanged when it comes to the fight.
But we need to change public opinion over and above the propaganda that is being passed around.
There were key people that spread the message of the civil rights, we need those kind of key people doing the same for e-cigs.
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Uh do what? We have many constitutional ways of being heard. Signing a petition is quite possibly the least effective.
The most effective is the ballot box, perhaps more people in this community should look at their voting record. My voice was heard.
Btw, I'm not a defeatest, I'm a realist. You can't from one side of your mouth talk about the FDA as the boogey man, but look the other way in regards to the guys who are over the FDA.
I don't know what the FDA will or won't do, but I know calling my congressman, and my senators has much more effect than a petition that means so little that the Obama administration can arbitrarily change the requirements to meet the threshold to get a response, as they recently did.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd
3391 signatures needed.
3391 signatures needed.
I signed the petition and really don't believe it will make a darn. The big tobacco has the money. They can buy anyone in the congress. And remember that big tobacco now owns blu's and some other e-cigs. I don't believe it's about the people but all about the money they can make. (sorry just my
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Why?
I agree with everything you posted except this because the logic behind it is flawed.
Yeah the election was settled before Alaska was done being counted, but in ALL elections someplace, somewhere is irrelevant to the final results. It doesn't mean that their vote isn't important. The dems just had more than they needed to win. If it was a closer race, the very "unimportant" Alaskans could be the deciding factor.
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Maybe so... but why rebel
Why even comment on this matter you are not actually trying to help and why make a situation harder for use and then come on here a brag about it.
I had to edit..... from the looks of the topic, it is a debate... I apologize.
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I signed it but it was strictly to show passion because, logically speaking, the FDA knows, approaching precise numbers, just how many of us there are. They know exactly how many vendors there are within country boundaries and pretty much how many customers they have via taxes and can extrapolate that out to customers buying from other countries through the net. They've been fighting in courts too long not to have gathered all this information and surmised its time to rake in some money from all these sales. They began watching long ago and have seen the numbers of us increasing with more vendors cropping up and some thriving and certainly have their thumbs on Chinese sales. That's exactly why they're doing what they are. What they probably don't know is just how passionate we are and how we're not going to tuck our tails in shame, lie down and play dead, so they can run over us as they did with smoking. They are influencing the masses now just as they did then so they can get away with their moral high ground dirty deeds. Many of us were apathetic, defeatist and shamed so we just stayed home election days in our respective states. So, yeh, I signed, not to show numbers but, to show the passion involved and for that reason I would like to see more people sign.
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