Why buy from China?

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Jebbn

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As an Australian vaper I used to buy hardware from Aus retailers but in the last 2 years the range has diminished and the prices have increased. I always bought a percentage of my hardware from China direct (mainly clones and devices not available locally) now it's close to 100 percent.
The Chinese prices - especially at the moment- may not be better than US retailers but the postage from the US to Aus makes it prohibitive fo buy from the States. The exceptions to that for me recently have been Billet Boxes and Reos -higher end American made products.
I buy my juice and DIY supplies from New Zealand.
B and M retailers here are few and overpriced and aren't allowed to sell any nicotine products.
Ive bought online in Au cheaper or similar pricing than I could from fasttech etc. Not only cheaper but delivery was 3-5 days.
Clearance prices but still competitive with OS clearance prices.
Before I buy anything OS I scour Au websites for prices on the same product, some times Im lucky and sometimes Im not. I do prefer to buy from Aussies, its just not always possible.
 

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Ive bought online in Au cheaper or similar pricing than I could from fasttech etc. Not only cheaper but delivery was 3-5 days.
Clearance prices but still competitive with OS clearance prices.
Before I buy anything OS I scour Au websites for prices on the same product, some times Im lucky and sometimes Im not. I do prefer to buy from Aussies, its just not always possible.
I completely agree Jebbn. My Vapoureyes account has a ridiculous number of hardware purchases on it but I'm sure you've noticed since about last summer when big things changed there that the range of hardware is nowhere near as extensive and not up to date like it always used to be. I love buying from them because of the great postage but they just don't have most of what I want to buy anymore
 

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I don't think it can happen for the majority of average Americans..

This environment such as we face leaves us paying more attention to quantity of decent gear over that one mod which is nice that will last..

For me the regulatory environment has been a double edged sword. On the one hand it got me into rebuildables (albeit kicking and screaming because I would have been happy with factory drop-ins), but on the other it's taken me away from what would have been (eventually) a nice mod maybe two (if a good sale hit) a year of the Provari or Dicodes variety..

Armageddon right now has a regulated mod for 275.00 on sale that I LOVE but which I can't afford because I've spent all my extra money this year stocking up to make it through regulatory winter..

And that's what caused Provape to close instead of sell.. the environment was too volatile for investors to take a chance - heck It's too volatile for most consumers to chance that super nice 300 dollar mod over 6 or 8 potentially good mods from China so I don't blame them anyway..

But most people, even those without much money, can afford fewer, yet higher quality locally made vape gear, especially when they last multiple years..

I mean, we could all "afford" cigarettes after all.

I know people are stocking up because of the regulations, but the regulations had little impact on my buying. I literally only stocked up a bit more on nic because of it. My frequent buying mods, atties and supplies is just me, I'd do that anyway. I just like mech squonkers and rebuildables. And I like having all my supplies on hand, like 1000s of feet of several types of wire, so I rarely have to worry about having enough and have to reorder every couple of weeks/months. My excessive buying has just been hidden in plain sight because of the regulations.

I'm not wealthy, actually quite the opposite. I currently can't even work so the income I have is very limited. I stay at home with my son that has health issues. But I still do little things (like making things for people out of my woodworking shop or buy and resell things for profit for example) to afford what I want to get. If I was working a good prevailing wage construction job like I was before, I would probably have three times the amount of stuff as I do now.
 

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I completely agree Jebbn. My Vapoureyes account has a ridiculous number of hardware purchases on it but I'm sure you've noticed since about last summer when big things changed there that the range of hardware is nowhere near as extensive and not up to date like it always used to be. I love buying from them because of the great postage but they just don't have most of what I want to buy anymore
Yeah, I used vapoureyes for all my initial vape stuff but now they are barely on the radar. Their unflavoured nic all contains PG which I have no interest in and even their sales are of little use to me because its all about juice which I have no interest in. Its a shame.
It seems to be smaller vape stores with very little web presence that I get the good deals from, basically around page 8-10 of an Au google search seems to be where the gold is, if it is even there. ;) . Ive been lucky with unregulated and mech squonks and bf rdta's. Spend $75 and its free postage.
A couple of vape stores in Qld are having closing down sales and there are some well priced items, nothing I want or need though and what I do want is still cheaper OS.
 

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Supporting local business (manufacturing, not the mom & pop retail stores that represent an entirely different scenario) is more difficult these days due to such efficient global supply chains and specialization in the production of component parts. American cars are primarily assembled in Mexico and Canada. The largest car manufacturer producing cars from factories in the US is Toyota.

iPhone's are certainly designed in the US, but even if Apple wanted to assembled it in the US (which they are moving to do with more of their products), almost all of the components have to come from abroad as specialization limits production. South Korea owns the LCD/OLED market, led by Samsung. Apple has to buy from their direct competitor in the phone market. Same with memory chips. But modems come from Qualcomm, which is a US company, and Intel is trying to grab a portion of that business. The phones may then be assembled by Foxconn (a Taiwanese company that assembles in mainland China) but the parts come from everywhere (another example is Gorilla glass from Corning, a US company).

For computers we use, PC or Mac, IBM may have invented platter memory storage which has evolved into our little hard drives, but Thailand companies now own all the manufacturing of those devices. Batteries, well, we know who owns that production. Granted Tesla manufactures a ton of batteries, but they are for their own cars, not the general battery market (and wouldn't work all that well for vaping, as they're 10A batteries which fit their needs)

Evolv is a US company that may hold the IP rights to TC, but rely on some of the components of their boards to be imported, and those boards are generally designed and assembled into the final products in China. These are all just examples of "high tech" manufacturing.

Machined products can be produced in the US, but the limited size runs of the small companies here keep prices high. But the infrastructure demands for attys isn't dependent on electronic parts, so they can stay in the game. It also means other countries can also compete, with great designs and standards worldwide. The same is true for mech mods which are simple to manufacture without any electronic components that have to be sourced. E liquid manufacturing is certainly a country specific product, and US liquid makers own their respective country. Not many vapers import Chinese e liquids these days (or until May 2020 when the FDA may put them out of business. So supporting US manufacturers is a lot more complicated than looking for a Made in USA (or your own respective country).

Now the retail side is different. A small shop survives on higher margin items to provide their revenue as there's no economy of scale they can benefit from like a large retailer (who are dying anyway and not just in the vape market). They also don't have large amounts of capital available for inventory. Lower priced juice moves well, higher priced hardware not so much. And given the large number of hardware manufacturers, maintaining a broad selection of gear is just not possible. Especially in a market with a new "improved" model coming out weekly. So if you want something special, you're forced to find vendors with "big" warehouses to have a decent selection. At that point, whether the vendor is US based or overseas doesn't matter all that much. Prices on authentic hardware are not dramatically different between them outside of greater access by Chinese vendors to close outs/clearance sales at great prices on Chinese products. The big difference is in counterfeit items which is dominated by those Chinese vendors. Whether you ethically feel it is good or bad to buy them, knowing they are "styled", is up to you and your own judgement.

tl;dr Chinese vendors hold the edge in some areas, but not all, and US large online vendors can be quite competitive on authentic vape hardware.
 

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Excellent response @Eskie . :thumb:

As for the OP – the term buying direct needs to be defined. If it means you are bypassing the end local retailer, then sure one could consider that as a more direct approach to purchasing. But you still do not know how many middle men are involved, nor do you know if you are dealing with a grey market, which can have it’s consequences.

I never heard of Cigabuy until this thread. Google search comes back with many mixed reviews – some good, some horrible. There is always a risk. It has also displayed that Cigabuy is affiliated with Tinydeal, a grey market retailer that has recently shut down operation. Interpret that as you wish

This message was posted on a Chinese made computing device, networked through a North American made infrastructure consisting of Chinese made components.
 

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China makes Jac Vapours too.

good to know, I thought they were actually manufactured in the U.K.
You are both correct. JAC Vapour products are a international endeavor.

JAC Vapour designs and engineers their products in Scotland. The parts are manufactured in China and the USA for JAC Vapour. The actual mods are, for the most part, assembled in both China and Scotland. The DNA chipset is made by Evolv, an American company (in Ohio, if I'm not mistaken).

Andrew Logan Founder Of JAC Vapour Chats With EcigClick | Ecigclick

"Where was it manufactured?
All our design is done in the UK, and we source parts and material from China and the USA, and most of the time this all goes to an assembly line in China. We have a partnership with a company that we have built over the years, through investment and time, and they are able to meet our standards. We also employ people directly within our partner’s business.

Sometimes if we can, and cost allows (we have to remain competitive in the market) we manufacture at least a part of a product in the UK.

It’s really a balance of cost, efficiency and the desired outcome or price we are trying to achieve.

In the case of the Tilt, we sourced the board and most of the parts in China, but moulds were manufactured in the UK and shipped to China to make sure we had the desired outcome. All the components along with packaging were then put together on the assembly line in China, it was an expensive way of doing our first device, but we were still able to produce a cost effective RRP from it.

It also allowed us to have the confidence to put a 1 year UK warranty on the device, something pretty much nobody did at the time, and still doesn’t. The fail rate on the Tilt is miniscule and the build quality rivalled units double the price, I still love it."

"Why did you decide to go with the DNA chip?
We had decided to do a high end TC device, Evolve invented TC and in my opinion they lead the way in board technology, so it was a pretty easy choice to design the device around their board. They also happen to be an incredibly decent group of people, and they are good to do business with. We have another 2, possibly 3, DNA devices in development and hopefully both will make it to market as I think the ‘replay’ feature is a game changer."
 
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I was under the impression that there were no US made products any more...
Perhaps no mass-market vape products, but Ken at pipesmithepipes is still turning out beautiful, high quality, handmade epipes in Colorado ... just got mine two weeks ago :)
 

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You are both correct. JAC Vapour products are a multinational endeavor.

JAC Vapour designs and engineers their products in Scotland. The parts are manufactured in China and the USA for JAC Vapour. The actual mods are, for the most part, assembled in both China and Scotland. The DNA chipset is made by Evolv, an American company (in Ohio, if I'm not mistaken).

Andrew Logan Founder Of JAC Vapour Chats With EcigClick | Ecigclick

"Where was it manufactured?
All our design is done in the UK, and we source parts and material from China and the USA, and most of the time this all goes to an assembly line in China. We have a partnership with a company that we have built over the years, through investment and time, and they are able to meet our standards. We also employ people directly within our partner’s business.

Sometimes if we can, and cost allows (we have to remain competitive in the market) we manufacture at least a part of a product in the UK.

It’s really a balance of cost, efficiency and the desired outcome or price we are trying to achieve.

In the case of the Tilt, we sourced the board and most of the parts in China, but moulds were manufactured in the UK and shipped to China to make sure we had the desired outcome. All the components along with packaging were then put together on the assembly line in China, it was an expensive way of doing our first device, but we were still able to produce a cost effective RRP from it.

It also allowed us to have the confidence to put a 1 year UK warranty on the device, something pretty much nobody did at the time, and still doesn’t. The fail rate on the Tilt is miniscule and the build quality rivalled units double the price, I still love it."

"Why did you decide to go with the DNA chip?
We had decided to do a high end TC device, Evolve invented TC and in my opinion they lead the way in board technology, so it was a pretty easy choice to design the device around their board. They also happen to be an incredibly decent group of people, and they are good to do business with. We have another 2, possibly 3, DNA devices in development and hopefully both will make it to market as I think the ‘replay’ feature is a game changer."
And after all that, they still cannot manage to get the board's ribbon from being directly in front of the fire button.
 

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Well I bought two Kabukis and have drooled over some of HOH tube offerings. I just wish he did not only manufacture mechs, that would be lovely. Shame.

It's very hard to find 100% USA made products, but if you are gonna buy US, perhaps today is the day for it. Is the Squid US made? I'm not sure it is....

Anna
 

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Well I bought two Kabukis and have drooled over some of HOH tube offerings. I just wish he did not only manufacture mechs, that would be lovely. Shame.

It's very hard to find 100% USA made products, but if you are gonna buy US, perhaps today is the day for it. Is the Squid US made? I'm not sure it is....

Anna


Squid is a company where the owner is an actual vet so I think it's, at least mainly, U.S. made.

squidvape

He began as a handcrafter anyway..
 
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Squid is a company where the owner is an actual vet so I think it's, at least mainly, U.S. made.

squidvape

He began as a handcrafter anyway..
Pretty sure current squid products are designed in US and manufactured in China.
 

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Pretty sure current squid products are designed in US and manufactured in China.

I know their products dropped in price not too terribly long ago, and I figured the why might be Chinese related, but I wasn't sure to what extent that was causal to.
 
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Squid is a company where the owner is an actual vet so I think it's, at least mainly, U.S. made.

squidvape

He began as a handcrafter anyway..

Very interesting story on Eric Buss – the man behind Squid Industries. Dude is a monster… built like a brick s**t house! But his products are made in China. Everyones favorite reviewer, Jai Haze mentions this is one of his reviews. I can’t be bothered sifting through his reviews to find it.
 

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Since most of the vaping equipment is made or assembled in China, you may as well cut out as many middlemen as you can and get a decent price point. Sure you have to wait a couple weeks to get it but you can save a lot of money on the purchases.
Exactly how I look at it.
Want it fast and don't mind to spend more? Go to local shops or webshops.
Can you wait a little longer and want to save some money? Lots of Chinese webshops to help out like FT and 3F.
 
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