Why didn't vaping come a decade or two earlier?

[roxics]

Just talking with my girlfriend and we were wondering why vaping didn't come about a decade or two before it did. Like in the 90s or 80s.
For the most part the technology is fairly simple. It's not like computer technology which had to get more and more advanced over the years.
It's simple enough that people can build coils, mods and liquid themselves without a considerable investment or needing to own a factory.

The only two reasons I can come up with are either (or both):
1. The battery technology wasn't there. Not sure when lithium ions started hitting the market (late 90s I think?).
2. Cigarette prices and laws didn't push people into it yet.
Seems like once smoking in public places started becoming illegal that's when vaping started taking off shortly after. That could just be coincidence though.

I started smoking as a teenager in the mid 90s. Would have been nice to have never started. If vaping had existed then there is a good chance I would have just gone that route from the start. Which is not good compared to doing nothing, but certainly better in my opinion than smoking.

 

[ENAUD]

I think it is a combination of factors, starting with the batteries. Then the spark was lit by Hon Lik, and third the internet. I see the internet as a major factor because it allowed many bright folks from all corners of this world to communicate and share info on what and where, and also hacks that became the drive for products to be improved upon, so ECF had a pretty big role in it as well.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

a distinction without a difference. Nicotine arguably even IS a medicine. It’s definitely a drug.

The device was developed for medicinal administration. The components of that medicine are not defined. The device was not developed as a “nicotine” only delivery system, such as the modern e-cigarette, and the topic of discussion. A patent was filed in 1927, granted in 1930. The device never reached market, and it is questioned if even a prototype was developed. There is no documentation whether BT purchased the patent – at least that I have found. It is credited as being the first electronic vaporizing device. But vaping, as in the action of inhaling a vaporized product, can be dated back to early man. It is said Egyptians heated rocks to vaporize and inhale various herbs, including cannabis.

Herbert A Gilbert developed what could be considered the first battery powered vape device in 1963, with it’s intended purpose as being an alternative to smoking tobacco. Patent granted in 1965, prototypes made, but the device never reached the market. The device never used nicotine, but flavoured water

Phil Ray (Apollo program and man behind the microprocessor), along side his physician developed a smoke free nicotine delivery system sometime in the 70’s. This was filter soaked in nicotine which you just inhaled.

 

[bombastinator]

Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist invented the ecigarette around 2003. Before that, no one had perfected a method of delivering nicotine like a cigarette. Prior to Hon Lik's invention the ecig didn't exist. I'm sure that lithium batteries played a part in the creation of a device that had enough power to heat a coil sufficiently and provide long vape times.

Hon Lik - Wikipedia

Sort of. There were attempts. All of them had one problem or another though. Batteries are a big issue, but that is just energy density. Doing a device with Nickel cadmium cells would require a 4 battery device. Real big honker. Or it could be tethered to a power supply. There was a device patented in the 1930’s iirc, but the inventor wanted more than anyone would pay and it was eventually bought by a tobacco company that shelved it.

I personally suspect that if 90’s era HNB stuff was combined with modern ecig juice technology a device could be made that needed no electricity at all. The biggest problem with the old pre electric HMB was it was difficult to light and the flavor was awful. Both of those are fixable. Still wouldn’t be as good as an ecig though because dosage amount is fixed. That is the big big win of ecigs I think. User variable dosage.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Finally an internet cat picture I can get behind!

I've never seen a drunken cat, I am either guessing they get REALLY mean or really placid. It's okay, I don't need to find out for reals.

You know, some people ARE treating their pets so much like their children I am starting to wonder about like, medical MJ for pets. And by this I mean a NON medical MJ user being a "caregiver" for their pet with arthritis, kind of deal. Vets use tons of drugs like that were developed for humans. Etc.

I could see it. I don't count the pet owners who get their pets "high." But a LEGIT MM caregiver for a pet.

If it ever happens and you find out and don't tell me? I will be very, very sad. It's not the pet I care about so much (although if it HELPS, YAY) but this is societal phenomenon I would HAVE to witness.

Anna

That's actually a thing, to an extent. I don't know much about it though. When we first got our Husky he had terrible separation anxiety (we were his 4th home, the anxiety was through the roof). We gave him 1mg of CBD per 10lbs of body weight daily and it really helped calm him down. Now he has no need for it but it was borderline miraculous for those first few months. I just put it on a dog treat and he gobbled it up.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

There was a device patented in the 1930’s iirc, but the inventor wanted more than anyone would pay and it was eventually bought by a tobacco company that shelved it.

Can’t say I’ve heard that version of the story. To my knowledge the 1930’s device was developed for administrating medicine, not nicotine.

We’ve had the battery technology for decades, lithium-ion development dates back to the 70’s with Sony releasing commercial products in 1991. Panasonic introduced the common 18650 size in 1994

No idea what type of battery was used in Hon Lik first e-cig. He did attempt to vaporize a nicotine based solvent using high frequency piezoelectric but found a heating coil to be much more effective. None the less, the power requirement meant many different battery chemistries could have been adopted.


@stols001 – cats invented the internet centuries ago, but lack of opposable thumbs hindered it’s development.

 

[stols001]

Yeah one of my pdocs mentioned that BT was considering not going the combustion route back in the 50s but they felt it would not "catch on" or whatever. They'd have to release just "it' and there would be revolts or something.

I think the husband was referring to being the first generation to get it (the internet) from the military and use it.

It was pretty primitive in college which is when I started using it, LOL. It was still a way to like, interact with people, and it was fun. Many greet ups. I remember playing scrabble with the cutest little dude, he would have been super sexy if only full size, who convinced me (and others) that giant sort of "chunks' of trash were like, floating through the internet. LOL.I am so glad I beat him soundly.

It was also great for hooking up, if you were into that. I mean, I was the hottest member of my group at that age (I have no clue what drew me to the internet, actually) and I frustrated A LOT of engineers. I TOLD them I had a BF but like quite often they would not listen. That was not my problem although some of the other chicks got moody and like were like, "Let them get it out of their system, so....

But I was like, "This group is called alt.angst as far as I am concerned I am providing a VALUABLE service. If you guys don't know how to listen that is NOT my problem.

Anna

 

[Punk In Drublic]

which isn’t used as one either as the whole CDC vitamin E problem has shown

Not sure where the Vit E Acetate and CDC comes into this. There has been no reports if the devices used by those who contracted lung illnesses were strictly e-cigarettes or devices specifically developed and marketed to the cannabis industry. Electronic Vaping THC products has been in place since the late 80’s and the evolution of it’s devices has run side by side with the e-cig industry. Willing to bet the 2 have borrowed many technologies from each other. In fact, there are many e-cig companies that cater to both industries. Vaporesso’s CCELL was developed by its parent company SMOORE (not the marshmallow treat) and marketed to both THC and e-cig industries – just to give an example.

I was looking at a portable THC vaporizer (as they are called) the other week. Small, internal battery with voltage control. Magnetic detachable and refillable pods. Looks identical to modern e-cig pods. But was released back in 2014 – long before our current pod trend. The name/brand escapes me, but if I remember I will post it.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Zelda holding the liquor hostage again?

Holding it hostage? More like drinking it!

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I've never seen a drunken cat, I am either guessing they get REALLY mean or really placid. It's okay, I don't need to find out for reals.

Mine drunk dials all her friends, sings off key, gets floozy and sometimes screws the pooch

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Dude, I wonder if that would work for our little dog who does the "shake wildly" during thunderstorms. I know it's some biological thing and we always bring him inside and whatever, but-- IDK probably would need the whole plant to induce calmness and then there is the whole paradoxical reaction thing. Plus for all I know it could be a felony.

I always feel so bad for him and like, wonder what he did during the many thunderstorms his two years wild in the desert. Like, hide under a cactus? I have NO doubt of that dog's ability to manage wildlife (including wild pigs and coyotes) but thunderstorms freak him RIGHT out.

Anna

Whoa, poor fella was a stray in the desert? What a trooper...yeah a lot of dogs are scared of thunder. Boomer (our last dog) was terrified of them and would go berzerk, running around and cowering in corners etc. Funny enough, Atty doesn't seem bothered by it.

It may be worth a shot to try some CBD but it would need to be a regular, daily dose to build up in his system and potentially help calm his nerves (as I understand it). Like, it took almost 2 weeks of daily doses before we noticed it helping Atty. I read somewhere that 1mg/10lbs is recommended so that's what we did. I would start there if you try it.

I would never, ever use whole plant unless under the guidance and recommendation by a vet and even then I'd personally be very skeptical and probably not do it. Because at that point it would be altering the dog's consciousness, and unless my dog learns to talk and says "I want to try that" I just wouldn't do it. But CBD I had no qualms about and it helped him so much. Like I say, he no longer needs it so we only use it in certain situations now. When I went out west for 2 weeks Chrissy gave him CBD to help him because he's so used to me being home with him every day. It did seem to help as he didn't destroy the house which was surprising TBH. Otherwise he's good now, but it was seriously amazing for those first few months and when we would forget to give it to him for a few days he would become noticeably more anxious and stressed out. I felt so bad for him but seeing him change and become a calm and relaxed and happy dog is one of the most touching things I've ever experienced. His days of uncertainty regarding homelife are over and his happiness is just a beautiful thing to behold.

There's a lot of bogus/poor quality CBD out there, so it's a big can of worms to find good product. FWIW I used Sunsoil which used to be called Green Mountain CBD. It has a good reputation and worked great for us. I wouldn't expect a major effect for your situation to be honest, but it may take some edge off.

 

[stols001]

Yup, found in the desert, 2 years old. They were pretty sure he was out there the whole time. He was also not neutered. We've had him.... .about 14 years? We are JUST now KIND of getting him housetrained, LOL. The kid picked him.

That dog is smart as anything. Also, OMG, keep him away from baby quails. He apparently finds them to be the "delicacy of the desert," we were at my mom's and a bunch of quail eggs hatched-- they were so CUTE, this tiny PUFF of feathers and legs. He ate every last one he could find OMG the mommy quail called for DAYS!! It was awful in this terribly hilarious kind of way. Actually it did totally suck listening to mommy quail.

The husband uses MMJ for his broken neck. We have a dispensary we all use(d) etc., I suppose well, he would have to ask them. I don't have a card since the oral surgeries are all done.

Thunderstorms, he hates them.

Anna

 

[DaveP]

Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist invented the ecigarette around 2003. Before that, no one had perfected a method of delivering nicotine like a cigarette. Prior to Hon Lik's invention the ecig didn't exist. I'm sure that lithium batteries played a part in the creation of a device that had enough power to heat a coil sufficiently and provide long vape times.

Hon Lik - Wikipedia

 

[stols001]

Finally an internet cat picture I can get behind!

I've never seen a drunken cat, I am either guessing they get REALLY mean or really placid. It's okay, I don't need to find out for reals.

You know, some people ARE treating their pets so much like their children I am starting to wonder about like, medical MJ for pets. And by this I mean a NON medical MJ user being a "caregiver" for their pet with arthritis, kind of deal. Vets use tons of drugs like that were developed for humans. Etc.

I could see it. I don't count the pet owners who get their pets "high." But a LEGIT MM caregiver for a pet.

If it ever happens and you find out and don't tell me? I will be very, very sad. It's not the pet I care about so much (although if it HELPS, YAY) but this is societal phenomenon I would HAVE to witness.

Anna

 

[stols001]

I'm pretty sure it's all dog although I guess you can't be certain? It looks like 1/2 chihuahua 1/2 Jack Russell. I think it's part alien to be honest (has the weird bulgy eyes) and well, it looks FAR less noble than a wolf or even its scruffy counterpart, the (still noble and also crafty) coyote. It would have to be like an INFINITESIMAL part, because that sucker doesn't even reach mid SHIN.

I think he just has good genes. The dog is ugly as sin, but my son knows a good dog when he sees one. Every rescue adopted or farmed out has been fantastic, temperament wise.

I will say, the dog was considerably more attractive than the like, dog the lady WANTED us to adopt which was half the size, trembling all over, and with that kind of fluffy and scraggly fur. We were both like, "Nu uh." She muttered under her breath, "He's a bitter it's your funeral."

The dog went for my kid's nose on the way out the door. The kid grabbed his gaping maw and said, "We don't bite in this house." That was that,

Looking BACK I should have had the kid catch the dog mid poop and.... LOL I'm not going there.

Anna

 

[Sloth Tonight]

 

[stols001]

Yup I was teasing the husband about "nothing happening in his generation." He was like, "Sweetheart, we invented the internet."

I paused, for a bit, and then said, "So like you are the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems?" LOL.

The internet is so great, and so terrible. I will note he was not claiming to have INVENTED the internet (we all know that was Al Gore) but being a small cog in the wheel that has swollen to what it is now.

I made him apologize for FB. He did it, but I don't think he meant it.

Anna

 

[bombastinator]

Can’t say I’ve heard that version of the story. To my knowledge the 1930’s device was developed for administrating medicine, not nicotine.

a distinction without a difference. Nicotine arguably even IS a medicine. It’s definitely a drug.

We’ve had the battery technology for decades, lithium-ion development dates back to the 70’s with Sony releasing commercial products in 1991. Panasonic introduced the common 18650 size in 1994

No idea what type of battery was used in Hon Lik first e-cig. He did attempt to vaporize a nicotine based solvent using high frequency piezoelectric but found a heating coil to be much more effective. None the less, the power requirement meant many different battery chemistries could have been adopted.


@stols001 – cats invented the internet centuries ago, but lack of opposable thumbs hindered it’s development.

 

[bombastinator]

Yup I was teasing the husband about "nothing happening in his generation." He was like, "Sweetheart, we invented the internet."

I paused, for a bit, and then said, "So like you are the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems?" LOL.

The internet is so great, and so terrible. I will note he was not claiming to have INVENTED the internet (we all know that was Al Gore) but being a small cog in the wheel that has swollen to what it is now.

I made him apologize for FB. He did it, but I don't think he meant it.

Anna

There are charts about this stuff. The trend seems to be logarithmic. It’s close to standing on its head now. Each generation has produced more than the last and the next has and will produce even more than the earlier one did. Every innovation produces its own problems though. Hence problems are running rampant.

 

[r77r7r]

Actually was a device that came out somewhere in the 80s or 90s. Someone from here mentioned it awhile back. Came and went quickly I believe.