Why do all the experience vapers out there seem to all use mods?

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Rogo

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Hey all, Rogo here. So I am totally new to vaping. I have been a social smoker for about ten years, rarely ever buying cigs, mostly just bumming them off friends. I have always enjoyed the action and inhaling of smoke, but find real cigarette pretty gross. Been keeping my eye on e-cigs for a few years now and bought one of those disposable 808's from a corner store last week to give it a go. I fell in love with vaping right a way, its great to be able to "smoke" without all the nastiness. So I ordered a starter kit from Happy Vapor here in Canada and am anxiously waiting for it to show up, seems the e-cig with a PCC will be prefect for me. But it seems that everyone who is really into vaping is all about the mods. They seems large and cumbersome. So whats so great about mods? Just battery life and carto size? Is the term mod a particular style or is it a brand?

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Hi Rogo, welcome to the forum :)

I would say that the number one advantage found in some "mods", which we are now supposed to call "APV's" - or advanced personal vaporizers - is variable voltage (or in the case of one specific mod - oops, APV - the Darwin - variable wattage).

The whole idea of VV/VW is that any particular vaper, vaping any particular juice, will find that a very specific amount of watts flowing through the coil or coils of the atomizer/cartomizer will produce what he or she thinks is the "optimum" vape. Being able to vary the voltage lets you achieve that exact amount of watts regardless of the resistance of the atomizer/cartomizer.

Think of it this way; say you have a lamp with a 60-watt light bulb in it. With a constant 110 volts of household current, if you want it brighter or dimmer, you have to put a different bulb in it. If you had a dimmer switch, you could just put a 100 watt light bulb in the lamp, and adjust the brightness (wattage) to any level you want. A variavle voltage PV lets you do the exact same thing with your atomizer/cartomizer.

Some of the ones to consider are the Buzz Pro 2, the Lavatube, the ProVari V2, and the Smoktech VMax.

Another advantage is, as you say, generally more battery life than you'd find in smaller devices, although often not a whole lot more.

This very detailed thread talks about how to figure out wattages per coil on single and dual coils:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ined-detail-single-dual-coil-atty-cartos.html

And you might want to read these threads for a typical discussion of what a lot of people think that people should start out with. Some opinions are closely geared toward what a particular beginner thinks he wants, and others tend to suggest things that they think he or she might just like more than what they think they'll be happiest with.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-started-your-advice-would-appreciated.html
 
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Hi Rogo! Welcome to the ECF:) Mods are Pvs that use large batteries and therefore allow you to personalize your vape in a few different ways. Starting with the larger battery you can use different resistence (sp) cartomizers or atomizers to heat the juice up more or less making more vapor and warmer vapor the lower in ohms you go. Some have variable voltage and some hold a lot of e liquid right on board so you don't have to refill constantly. If you only smoke or vape sometimes in social situations than a Cig look alike is probably really great for you. I smoked 2 packs a day. At 1st I only wanted a cig look alike but pretty soon I got really sick of always waiting for batteries to charge and refilling cartomizers every hour so a mod started looking better and better to me. I knew I felt a lot healthier from vaping and not smoking and so priority took the case over blending in with a cig look alike and I bought a mod that takes a battery that lasts me 24 hrs + and holds 2 days worth of liquid. Then I Wanted warmer vapor so I bought a variable voltage Provari. You should only buy a mod if your cig alike stops meeting your needs or if YOU just want to try one. No need for keeping up with the Jones's here. Hope this helps and happy vaping friend.
 
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Hey Rogo, welcome to ECF and the world of vaping. As you've probably read over the past couple of days, the rabbit hole does indeed go deep.

Minis, eGos, larger battery APVs are all kind of different strokes for different folks, to use an old saying. For some people, it's all about the throat hit, for others it's being surrounded in a cloud of vapor, for others it's a hobby, for others it's finding that "perfect" taste, for others it's all about the look of the device (and/or that it doesn't look like a cigarette), and some just don't really care as long as they're enjoying it.

Mods or APVs are (sometimes) bigger battery setups that (may) have higher power output to (subjectively) improve the vaping experience. Some like APVs because they can be feed directly from a bottle, so they don't have to worry about running out of liquid during the day. Some like APVs because they tend to have a bigger battery, so it lasts them all day. Some like APVs because they're customizable to the liquid that you're vaping.

Not all APVs are complex though - there are some that are a fixed voltage, but just use a higher capacity battery.

KR808s and the "stick" style 510s are usually very handy - they're small, have a familiar shape, and tend to lend themselves to an experience similar to cigarettes (which some people don't want to really have). Of course, being smaller batteries, they don't have a lot of capacity and tend to run down quicker and need more recharges during the day. Good quality ones can give a (subjectively) satisfactory experience. They're usually low maintenance and the cost is low enough that over time, that they're considered disposable (like most, if not all, batteries).

As far as cartomizers, most APVs can use 808/510 threaded cartomizers, but there's a bigger world out there that includes tanks, clearomizers (and I'll probably get a flogging for calling them "mini-tanks", but it's a similar concept), drip-only mouthpieces, etc.. As with the device itself, some people swear by one technique or another, but it really boils down to what you're looking for in all of this. Tanks and clearomizers might require a little more maintenance than the cartomizers, but some liquids (subjectively) taste better in those types of attachments.
 

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The little batteries that are part of the cigarette sized units don't last long and can't power some cartomizers, like the dual coils, at all. Having enough battery to get you through most if not all of the day is a pretty nice thing. What you're getting should be a good starting point and most of us started there too, but if you find yourself searching for batteries too often you'll be looking for an upgrade down the road. If you keep reading and searching here on ECF you'll have ample time to educate yourself so that your choices make sense if you want to get more battery life. Good luck!
 

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Broadly speaking, a "mod" is any e-cig that takes a separate rechargeable battery or batteries, like a flashlight.

Most of us started with a small battery cigarette-lookalike. Small batteries have certain inherent limitations that most of us got tired of dealing with. Small batteries also don't have the flexibility to accept some of the better juice delivery devices.

Mods overcome these limitations by providing, higher power for a fuller warm vapor, long times between charging, stable power output, universal threading patterns for use with different cartomizers and other devices and the ability of some to vary the power output "on the fly".

Most people soon find that their initial urge to have something that reminds them of a cigarette goes away and is overcome by all those disadvantages of a smaller battery. That's when they start looking for either a large battery sealed unit like a kGo or eGo or Riva, etc. Or they look for an even more powerful and versatile mod.

Most people are happy with a larger *Go type unit or a fixed voltage mod for a long time, and they may stick with that for years. They may amass a whole collection of mods, including the variable voltage models or "APV"s.
 

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It is very subjective:) I haven't been vaping very long, but I am perfectly happy (so far) with my ego. I also have a smaller volt (808, looks like a cig but isn't white) that I like to use when I'm driving because it's easy to hold and drive with - it feels more natural. What you have on order is a good starter kit, and once you get some time with it, you'll know better at that point whether you want to stay with that style, or try something else, and you'll have a better idea, at that point, what it is that you might want to try. Good luck on your journey, and welcome to ECF!
 

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Broadly speaking, a "mod" is any e-cig that takes a separate rechargeable battery or batteries, like a flashlight.

Most of us started with a small battery cigarette-lookalike. Small batteries have certain inherent limitations that most of us got tired of dealing with. Small batteries also don't have the flexibility to accept some of the better juice delivery devices.

Mods overcome these limitations by providing, higher power for a fuller warm vapor, long times between charging, stable power output, universal threading patterns for use with different cartomizers and other devices and the ability of some to vary the power output "on the fly".

Most people soon find that their initial urge to have something that reminds them of a cigarette goes away and is overcome by all those disadvantages of a smaller battery. That's when they start looking for either a large battery sealed unit like a kGo or eGo or Riva, etc. Or they look for an even more powerful and versatile mod.

Most people are happy with a larger *Go type unit or a fixed voltage mod for a long time, and they may stick with that for years. They may amass a whole collection of mods, including the variable voltage models or "APV"s.[/QUOTEY

Yeah, my journey started with the gas station ecigs, followed by an 808 kit. Then I REALLY got cooking when I got my Ego, which I still use (battery life is unbeleivable). After that, your taste buds come back into FULL EFFECT. Then you want more flavor out of your ejuice, and that's when the modding starts.
 

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Well, not to buck the trend...(OK...to buck it a bit): There are tons of vapers out there that use cig-sized PVs and keep using them. 808s are generally considered pretty good.

You don't have to use mods (APVs). Cries of "Get an eGo" or "Get a _____" are continually heard around here. Do what works for you.

It's funny that a lot of ECFers use mods/APVs, but a large % of the e-cig user population still uses standard off-the-shelf e-cigs.

I use mods. 5 volts. I like em. But do what works for you. Form factor may be more important, particularly for those that didn't smoke very often. For those of us that were PAD smokers, and are constantly puffing e-cigs, battery life counts (hence bigger battery APVs).

Also mods/APVs often have features that cig-sized batteries don't.... variable voltage for example.

mod = APV = e-cig battery gadget = ? anything other than cig-sized battery in the vernacular ?
 
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Lots of different answers. Lots of different people.

I started with the 808. I didn't want to try anything fancy or with super long battery life, I wanted to buy and electronic cigarette to help me quit smoking. The "mods" or "APV" as they are now referred to here (advanced personal vaporizer), did not appeal to me and if anything looked like more work. I wanted to quit smoking as painlessly as possible, and that didn't include a lot of battery maintenance. Charging an 808 I can handle, dealing with multiple batteries and big battery chargers, and dealing more with all that electrical/engineering jibberish - I didn't need in my darkest hours of tobacco. Don't get me wrong, I didn't base my decisions upon anyone's recommendations. I didn't know ECF or any other ecig forum existed. I call them electronic cigarettes because that's what the 808 is. Hell, I didn't even know the term "808" until I had to figure out the difference between it and a 510 when determining what brand/company I wanted to try. Both made to look like cigarettes. Two-piece or three-piece, no brainer for me. I just wanted to quit smoking.

I quit quickly, I didn't have faith in myself that it would be that easy or that fast. The electronic cigarette made it very easy on me. I had more than one battery, I had several, and I had a couple of chargers so I wasn't lacking for a charged battery in my transition to vaping.

I'm still here, because I'm still vaping. I just wanted to quit smoking, but found I like vaping. I like having the ritual still. After 39 years smoking, the lack of the ritual was probably what kept me from succeeding with other methods (patch, gum, cold turkey). I'm still using 808's. I like the Volts from Smokeless Image, I like a little variety and subtle "bling." I like their cartomizer flavors. They just came out with their own big battery in the last month or so - but the same, basically, and the Volt in the battery department, no multiple batteries with big chargers, but it is a very nice big battery. I use it, the X2, as well as my 808's. I still like my 808's. The new clearomizers for the X2 can be used on the Volts, and the cartomizers can be used on the X2. I see no need to switch from these styles in favor of bigger mods and more vapor and more power.

I recommend 808's to new persons, because most people just want to quit and get it over with. ECF is full of those of us who quit, but never moved on from vaping - at least not yet. Many will recommend the eGo or Kgo or even jump right into mods/APVs because they no longer believe anyone should start with such underpowered batteries like the 808's or anything that looks like a cigarette because they themselves no longer want to be associated with "cigarette." I can understand that, but with someone brand new to the idea of quitting smoking - and regardless of what the FDA or any of us here say - I'm going to recommend a device that I know works, and looks like a cigarette, 1) for familiarity, and 2) for ritual. After they've been in the arena for a bit, then their curiosity can take them to the "higher levels" of mods/APVs if they want to try them, but if they just wanted to quit smoking, then they had the least expensive and fastest track to do so. That's what my cousin wanted when I gave him an 808 kit. He wanted to stop, and then get away from any aids or devices all together. He didn't want to replace habit with hobby.

That's why I recommend 808's. I won't tell folks not to look at mods/APVs or "bigger and better" eGo's or whatever, but I won't recommend them to a person just starting who just wants to quit smoking. Until I know you better and what you want, I'm not going to make recommendations for liquids or other devices or accessories until you've declared yourself a vaper, and not just an ex-smoker. I've replaced one habit with another, albeit much healthier, but where you go from there is up to you to get curious and ask about, and not for me to push up front.
 
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I've got lots of friends that are perfectly happy with their 3.7 and have no plans to upgrade. A few I know felt they needed more voltage and that what vaping is all about- a very personal program whereby we can only SUGGEST what might work for others. The reasons my first PV was the Megalodon were:
Quality
3.7 volts
Mechanical meaning less prone to breakdown with replaceable parts
Can be elevated to a higher voltage by switching batts
Can be broken down to Stealth Mode
New replacement 2400 mah batts cost $6.00 but I choose to buy the higher quality ones
In essence I wanted a PV that I could rely on and thus far, except for a small modding of the connector, I've been very happy with my purchase.
I'll admit my Meggy he doesn't look so purty but he's a workhorse exceeding every expectation thus far.
 

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all the above is great info; however, to focus on one aspect:
once you hear about and decide to try "dripping" in order to get better flavor than what a cartomizer affords, you begin a process that is more intimate with the devices than just firing an automatic cigarette look alike that has a pre filled cartomizer.

You see the mechanics of the atomizer and how it works and you notice that the many APV devices are attempts to improve (and personalize) your experience...

I advise that you research any APV before you buy, as there are so many, and it's too easy to get sucked in to the marketing and the intrigue. For every great APV, there are half a dozen similar.

- this is a new industry and the fact that innovation is at the heart of things, makes for an ongoing interest.
 

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Rogo pay no attention to the fanboys. I do use mods but, those of us that do are a small minority. There are way more satisfied 808 and ego users out there than mod users. I went to mods because I wanted something more. If you're satisfied where you are, that's a blessing. No need to go to anything else.
 
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