Why do most of my attys not work with (Maxi) Roughstack?

[kgeiger002]

I do not understand why this is happening? I have a Roughstack. The devise works great with 808 cartos with the 510 to 808 adapter. But the weird thing is all of my 510 attys do not fire up...except for one.

So I decided to buy a 510 t0 510 adapter from MV in the hopes that maybe the connection was simply too low and not making contact with all my other 510 attys. Anyways I just got it and the only atty it still works with is the sole one that has always worked. What's the deal? Why is it I can only get one 510 atty firing but none of the others fire? I know all work. But even when I use the same adapter only one works? Does that make any sense?
Any input would be much appreciated!

Note to Hoog: Since I have a warranty on this (just bought it) - and considering one of my attys actually work with it...and also since you are out of stock for everything dealiing with the RS currently. I simply will hold on to this until you are restocked (which I hope is soon)...at which point I'm going to buy a new top piece and then I will send this defective one back for repair/replacement. fyi - my user name on your site is the same as here (kgeiger002)

Also - I completely understand that sometimes things are defective. I am no way trying to cast any negative input on the Roughstack. I can tell this devise could be my saving grace with e-cigs. I just wanted to give you a heads-up.

 

[pwyll]

All your 808's work using a 510 adapter, right?
One of your 510's work using a 510 adapter, right?
That suggests the 510 adapters work.

One of your 510's work without the adapter but the rest don't, right?
It's exactly the same situation when you add the 510 adapter, right?
That suggests it's your attys.

What you've described is the process to show that the RS is, in fact, not defective. The next step is to try different batteries with all the atomizers, and if you come up with results that are different then your problem is the battery. But from what you've described it's the attys. Have you tried pulling the positive connector in the center of the atty down just a tiny tiny bit, as described in various other threads?

 

[six]

It would be nice if somehow the thread depth was standardized for 510 stuff. I have cartos and attys with short threads that work on nothing I have without an adapter. I have a couple of adapters with long threads that mess up battery connections if not loosened every time I spin on and off attys and cartos.

When I messed up the connector on one of my rough stacks and the center pin fell out, I think it was due to one of those long thread adpaters pushing the pin in too far too many times.

 

[kgeiger002]

Responses in bnblue

All your 808's work using a 510 adapter, right? Actually just tried some others and even a few of them don't fire also. Those same ones (the 808's that won't fire) do work on my 808 PT.
One of your 510's work using a 510 adapter, right? Correct
That suggests the 510 adapters work.

One of your 510's work without the adapter but the rest don't, right? Correct
It's exactly the same situation when you add the 510 adapter, right? Correct
That suggests it's your attys.

What you've described is the process to show that the RS is, in fact, not defective. The next step is to try different batteries with all the atomizers, and if you come up with results that are different then your problem is the battery. But from what you've described it's the attys. Have you tried pulling the positive connector in the center of the atty down just a tiny tiny bit, as described in various other threads? Yes I tried that - made no difference

I have to say this has got me stumped. Thanks for your feedback - Maybe it is the batteries.

 

[six]

Your adapter pushed the center pin too far down. I should have just said that instead of wishing for a standard and using an example.

You can lift the center pin a little bit, but be really careful and only lift it a tiny little bit. Otherwise, you will have the center pin pop out and it's not much fun to try to put it back together depending on if or how much the rubber o-ring seal is degraded from heat and juice.

It's not your batteries if they work with the adapter.

 

[emus]

If the spring on the switch assembly is not firmly touching RS center pin then RS can fire better w/ some attys than others.

This is because the center pin is resting on a flexible insulator and can change position enough to cause spring to touch center pin intermittently; mine worked better w/ certain attys/cartos.

Just something to consider.

I replaced spring w/ wire and my RS is solid as a rock.

Which attys bottom out on the outside shoulder?

Which attys have recessed center pin?

How snug do you tighted attys?

 

[kgeiger002]

If the spring on the switch assembly is not firmly touching RS center pin then RS can fire better w/ some attys than others.

This is because the center pin is resting on a flexible insulator and can change position enough to cause spring to touch center pin intermittently; mine worked better w/ certain attys/cartos.

Just something to consider.

I replaced spring w/ wire and mine is solid as a rock.

Thanks - That sounds logical. Hmm - now the decission I have to make is if I want to take that chance. I would guess that would probably void the warranty.

 

[emus]

Thanks - That sounds logical. Hmm - now the decission I have to make is if I want to take that chance. I would guess that would probably void the warranty.

Do the wiggle test.

Fire switch while rocking atty. If fires intermittently then spring contact is a suspect.

I'm pretty sure the wire would void warranty. I was more concerned w/ a reliable PV than warranty. Ups to you.

BTW how snug do you tighten atty?
I just barely snug in order to prolong insulator life.

 

[kgeiger002]

Which attys bottom out on the outside shoulder? I tighten the atty's the same - till somewhat snug - but not too tight.
Which attys have recessed center pin? They all look the same
How snug do you tighted attys?[just enough - I don't over tighten./QUOTE]





I have to say I am itching to just bite the bullet and get rid of that spring. Knowing me I'll probably do it tomorrow. LOL

 

[pwyll]

It's not your batteries if they work with the adapter.

According to what he's said, the adapters make no difference at all. Everything that works with the adapter works without it, and everything that doesn't work doesn't work with the adapter either.

 

[pwyll]

In a lot of cases people talk about LR attys tripping the battery's protection circuitry, so that may be related. I dunno--all I know how to do is isolate a problem and replace that part. In this case it seems to me that it's the center pin making intermittent (or no) contact with the relative lengths of the connecter and the attys being the culprit. Your trouble-shooting so far hasn't eliminated the battery as the culprit, but personally I don't think that's it.

I got my RS used and had a problem with intermittent firing on a couple cartos. Not knowing the history of the unit, I took the switch out and gently nudged the center pin on the connector a micron or two further out. I haven't had a problem since. That doesn't necessarily mean much, though, as I've just started on this vaping road and don't really have a lot of different cartos/attys to test out. My lack of problems may simply be a lack of a significant testing pool.

 

[kgeiger002]

well I removed the spring and replaced it with wire. All my 808 cartos work now - even the one's that yesterday would not fire.
but now my one 510 atty (the one that worked) won't fire anymore.

I'm sure I voided my warranty. At this point I'm throwing in the towel. I'm going to buy a shorty RS and then (hopefully) I will have a completely working devise. I can use this cap for just my 808 cartos.

 

[wolfstone5]

You should create a ticket on MadVapes' site and send it back for repair. Your RoughStack is brand new and still under warranty. If you can do a quick fix, great. Otherwise....get it repaired or replaced.

 

[kgeiger002]

You should create a ticket on MadVapes' site and send it back for repair. Your RoughStack is brand new and still under warranty. If you can do a quick fix, great. Otherwise....get it repaired or replaced.

Thanks - I do have a ticket with them already - just hadn't sent it back yet. But now I have tried to fix it myself (i.e. replacing spring) so I would think I voided warranty.

Hoog - did I void the warranty?

 

[emus]

well I removed the spring and replaced it with wire. All my 808 cartos work now - even the one's that yesterday would not fire.
but now my one 510 atty (the one that worked) won't fire anymore.

I'm sure I voided my warranty. At this point I'm throwing in the towel. I'm going to buy a shorty RS and then (hopefully) I will have a completely working devise. I can use this cap for just my 808 cartos.

Does the shoulder of atty (outside diameter) touch RS atty receiver?

Does atty touch switch nut?

Does atty center post protrude any?

Does everything function w/ atty adapter?

Atty contact clean and dry?

Have a multi meter handy?

Are your results 100% repeatable?

 

[kgeiger002]

Does the shoulder of atty (outside diameter) touch RS atty receiver? yes

Does atty touch switch nut? no

Does atty center post protrude any? no but on the 510 adapter it does protrude - all my attys are flush. as is the case for my 808 adapter

Does everything function w/ atty adapter? not anymore It was just one of the two attys that shipped with the kit that I ever could get working - now even that one won't fire.

Atty contact clean and dry? yes

Have a multi meter handy? no ...Though I'm getting great TH and plumes of vapor with my cartos. It doesn't appear to me that I am not getting propper power.

Are your results 100% repeatable?

yes - at this point I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I can't get my 510 attys working. All my 808 cartos (with adapter) fire right up. Though as mentioned above since putting in the wire I can't get the one 510 (which was working yesterday) firing.

 

[kgeiger002]

update: I actually did have a multi-meter.

I checked out all my cartos and attys. I only came across one atty that looks to be fried. All others are showing correct voltage.

 

[Shaitaan]

good luck with that bud... with the ticket and sending it back to Hoog and crew, they'll get it all fixed for you ...it took approx 3 days from the time I put in a ticket, recently, and the time they responded because they've been extremely busy there...

 

[emus]

yes - at this point I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I can't get my 510 attys working. All my 808 cartos (with adapter) fire right up. Though as mentioned above since putting in the wire I can't get the one 510 (which was working yesterday) firing.

My 510 atty shoulder does not touch RS receiver; can see small gap.

That's how I'm certain protruding atty center post is kissing RS center post.
There has been some buzz about some atty/carto center posts not protruding enough.

If outside diameter atty shoulder is kissing RS receiver then tis possible atty center post not kissing RS center pin?

Clear as mud?

 

[emus]

update: I actually did have a multi-meter.

I checked out all my cartos and attys. I only came across one atty that looks to be fried. All others are showing correct voltage.

Does RS voltage (no atty) w/ switch actuated match batt voltage?

What is resistance of attys that don't work?