WHY Do People Want Better Atomizers ????

[Surf Monkey]

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Carts are .....

Debatable. Carts can be a ....., but they can work great too. I use carts on my Prodigy most of the time, actually. With PTB filler they wick and perform great and they don't require the constant fussing that's demanded by dripping.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

I wish Steve could do it. Even if he made a MIY/DIY atomizer kit, and obviously supported it properly with the PT, Protege, and Prodigy. A MIY/DIY approach would be more feasible for Steve in that he wouldn't have to mass produce thousands of atomizers a month, and would minimize return claims.

If it were easy to tear down an atomizer, rebuilt it, and reassemble it so that it functions like a stock atomizer, I would do it. It is nearly impossible to tear down a 510 without damaging it cosmetically.

guys ... you also have to remember, 95% of the vaping population and 99.9% of the cigarette smoking population DON'T want to have to fiddle with something, let alone get their hands dirty and try and repair.

Replaceable coil has been throw around for ages and is an awesome idea, but is it feasible? Atomizer would have to be a protruding type like a 401/103 to be able to just get to it without special tools.

The fact is -- People like simple. Yes, cool design, etc... is eye catching, but at the end of the day, if the piece of work is a headache, the user will end up going to his bread and butter -- the simplest tool in the shed

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

Debatable. Carts can be a ....., but they can work great too. I use carts on my Prodigy most of the time, actually. With PTB filler they wick and perform great and they don't require the constant fussing that's demanded by dripping.

I completely agree. Carts and dripping both have their moments with me. I use carts while I am out and about, and drip at home.

 

[Surf Monkey]

guys ... you also have to remember, 95% of the vaping population and 99.9% of the cigarette smoking population DON'T want to have to fiddle with something, let alone get their hands dirty and try and repair.

Count me in that 99.9% of people who don't want to mess with repairing atomizers. I want it to work until it breaks and then toss it.

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

guys ... you also have to remember, 95% of the vaping population and 99.9% of the cigarette smoking population DON'T want to have to fiddle with something, let alone get their hands dirty and try and repair.

Replaceable coil has been throw around for ages and is an awesome idea, but is it feasible? Atomizer would have to be a protruding type like a 401/103 to be able to just get to it without special tools.

The fact is -- People like simple. Yes, cool design, etc... is eye catching, but at the end of the day, if the piece of work is a headache, the user will end up going to his bread and butter -- the simplest tool in the shed

It doesn't necessarily have to be like an M401 or a DSE103. If it were possible to unscrew the battery terminal from the tubing (example: 510 atomizer) then rebuilding would be feasible.

I dunno, It seems that your product line is more geared towards the hardcore, dedicated vapers. If you were still selling the Pilot then you would have a more valid point. I still believe that an effective MIY/DIY kit that took all the fuss and brainwork out of rebuilding an atomizer could be effective.

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

Count me in that 99.9% of people who don't want to mess with repairing atomizers. I want it to work until it breaks and then toss it.

It kills me to throw away $7-$8 every two weeks.

I do understand that some don't want to rebuild atomizers. I know that my buddies wouldn't want to do that.

 

[Momof3]

Atty reliability hasn't been a big issue for me and I'm well under $5/wk. Average 7-14 day return policies take care of the bulk of truly defective parts IMHO. Continued availability is my only concern in regards to attys personally. If USA made is available I would buy it over others.

I only have 2 901 attys and yet I still bought the 901 adapter because with PVs, you just never know.

 

[Cayman]

guys ... you also have to remember, 95% of the vaping population and 99.9% of the cigarette smoking population DON'T want to have to fiddle with something, let alone get their hands dirty and try and repair.

Replaceable coil has been throw around for ages and is an awesome idea, but is it feasible? Atomizer would have to be a protruding type like a 401/103 to be able to just get to it without special tools.

The fact is -- People like simple. Yes, cool design, etc... is eye catching, but at the end of the day, if the piece of work is a headache, the user will end up going to his bread and butter -- the simplest tool in the shed

OK.... so then what is the possibility that might push the Protégé aside? Share with us, or better yet, start a poll and let us vote!!

PS: I want my Protégé!!

 

[SharonLM]

Reliability! Long lasting atty we can get here in the states.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

cayman ... an atty is *not* the "Y" in the road

 

[breakfastchef]

Honestly, considering the current legislative envoirnment here in the States and the enormous cost to engineer and design a new type of atomizer, it is likely that what we are using now is the best option. Second, atomizers are not robust on purpose. It provides a long-term income stream to the manufacturer. Just a simple economic model. If you had robust atomizers, you wold have fewer repeat customers. Third, repairing an atomizer would cost more than buying a new atomizer. Lastly, ECF forum members probably represent a very small sliver of the vaping world. While we are pushing technology to the its limits, most people do not want to be bothered or buy a device and it sits in a desk drawer until they croak.

 

[Cayman]

cayman ... an atty is *not* the "Y" in the road

Steve... you are a funny guy!! BTW: Did I tell you how bad I want a Protege as well?

 

[gjrhine]

atomizers are not robust on purpose. It provides a long-term income stream to the manufacturer. Just a simple economic model. If you had robust atomizers, you wold have fewer repeat customers.

Assuming all manufacturers were colluding on that matter which is doubtful since the maker of a better one could gain market share.

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

Steve... you are a funny guy!! BTW: Did I tell you how bad I want a Protege as well?

I feel your pain Cayman. I can hardly wait myself. I can hardly wait to put all my 510, 901, and M401 batteries up for sale. I'll probably sell off my M801, J118, and 510 PCC while I'm at it. I dislike having two full power stips dedicated to charging my batteries. I am SOOOOOO tired of looking at them.

 

[Cayman]

I feel your pain Cayman. I can hardly wait myself. I can hardly wait to put all my 510, 901, and M401 batteries up for sale. I'll probably sell off my M801, J118, and 510 PCC while I'm at it. I dislike having two full power stips dedicated to charging my batteries. I am SOOOOOO tired of looking at them.

Too true!!! The Prodigy will be for the house and on weekends while the Protege was going to be my choice for work due to the size and how long it will last. I consider that perfection!!!

 

[PuffinStuff]

Well.....was hoping for a really durable atty case with "guts" you could just replace, ie, pop out old burner, in with the new. But since that isnt going to happen...

Steve, just get busy and make SOMETHING. Follow your instincts, you have been right on so far.

I gave my JS to my mom, my 801 kit to my daughter, so I have only my Prodigy and I need another pv soon.

Casey, my vaccuum cleaner is still making that putt, putt, ping, wing ding, wheeze,8-o

but will still forego that vaccuum fund for another PV. HeHe.

 

[mamu]

I would spend $20 on a quality atty if I knew it owuld last me a year or more!!

Here here!! I second that!!

But I would not spend $5 a week on an atty. I have many attys that are over 2 months old and still going strong.

You can buy attys in bulk from bestecigs.com for around $3.50 an atty. So far, I've found these attys to be the most durable and long lasting.

I now have some big boy PVs that will last me a lifetime, so it would be nice to have lifetime attys. I would definitely pay a handsome price for a lifetime atty - maybe around $50 - $100.

 

[breakfastchef]

Assuming all manufacturers were colluding on that matter which is doubtful since the maker of a better one could gain market share.

A better atomizer would not necessarily be a good business model. Why would you make a product so durable that you do not have repeat customers or their purchasing cycle is too long? Once everyone has a whiz bang atomizer from you, they won't need to place anymore orders.

 

[Mr-Glass]

A better atomizer would not necessarily be a good business model. Why would you make a product so durable that you do not have repeat customers or their purchasing cycle is too long? Once everyone has a whiz bang atomizer from you, they won't need to place anymore orders.

You would have the best word of mouth business - and your repeat business would be with new and exciting products - all the market - seems simple to me... am I missing something

Kinda like the PureSmoker business model... hmmm

 

[mamu]

A better atomizer would not necessarily be a good business model. Why would you make a product so durable that you do not have repeat customers or their purchasing cycle is too long? Once everyone has a whiz bang atomizer from you, they won't need to place anymore orders.

From a consumer standpoint that kind of mentality sucks.

It's all about money and greed and not quality.

Unfortunately though, we all know it's true.

From high-end appliances, TVs, and cars - they're all made so that they will fall apart so that you'll be a repeat customer or keep their service department rolling in the dough.