Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?

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genghishahn

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Howdy ECF,

I was thinking of posting this as part of my reply to another thread, but I didn't want to take things too far off topic, so I thought I'd start my first thread with it. I realize, even before getting started with this post, that my POV probably won't be too popular here, but I'd like to share it here anyway because I honestly don't have anywhere else to share it.

Though I understand the reasoning behind it, it's puzzling to me that vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers when it comes to their (our) right to vape. Yes, I understand that it's just vapor (that is, after all, why I traded smoking for vaping), and that it is, as far as current studies have shown, harmless as second-hand. No harm, no foul, right? I agree. But even so, why should we expect to be allowed to vape in places that we weren't allowed to smoke? Let's face it, a lot of vapers (I'm inclined to say most/all, but I could very well be wrong about that) on this forum are/were smokers--it's not as though we're being treated any differently since picking up the "vaper" label. There certainly aren't additional restrictions being placed on us because we partake in a vape instead of a smoke.

The way I look at it: we get to enjoy something that is a very close approximation of smoking that isn't as harmful as actually smoking. That we can even have that is enough for me. I'll keep it outdoors, 25 feet away from doors and operable windows, away from dining areas, away from schools, away from children and pregnant women, etc. to be able to have that one thing. Vaping at it's core, to me, is about being able to stop smoking tobacco while keeping up the act of smoking at less risk to my health (that and it makes for a heck a tinkerer's hobby :p)--not about being able to have nicotine when- and wherever I want. As awesome as that would be, I don't ever expect that to become reality. It's kinda crazy to me that so many vapers do expect that reality. Especially when so little research has been done to determine what, if any, health risks there are to vaping and to secondhand vapor. Until the scientific community says there are no risks, I really don't think that it's realistic to expect that we'll be treated differently than smokers. There's just no way the non-vaping public will make a distinction between vaping and smoking until it is becomes scientifically accepted fact that secondhand vapor is harmless. And honestly, I'm ok with that. I know that many of you aren't, and I respect that we have differing opinions on the matter.

Anyhow, I see so much, "Our right to vape is in jeopardy," and so many opinions insisting that we should be able to vape anywhere and everywhere that I felt compelled to share a more moderate perspective: as much as it would suck if vaping wound up being no different than smoking socially and legally, it's not that big a deal. We still get to vape, and we're still better off than we were smoking analogs. I'm all for promoting our right to vape, but let's not forget why we got into vaping in the first place...as long as there isn't an outright ban we're still in pretty good shape. Thanks for reading.

Best wishes to you all,
Scott
 

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An interesting POV, Scott. My concern is that vaping and vapers are being lumped in with smokers and demonized in the same way. If one believes, as I do, that vaping is a better alternative to smoking and should be encouraged, then we shouldn't buy into the "it looks like smoking so we should treat it as smoking" mindset.
 

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It was shocking to me when smokers started getting banned in the first place. I grew up in a time when you could smoke anywhere.

I do understand some of the restrictions. They make sense. But, many of them do not.

If we're not smoking, why should we be treated as if we were? Even smokers should have more rights than they are given nowadays. It's gotten to the point that smokers are being treated as if they don't even have the right to exist at all.

IOW they really should have a good reason before they restrict anyone's legal rights. Not just because they feel like it.
 

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The way I look at it: we get to enjoy something that is a very close approximation of smoking that isn't as harmful as actually smoking. That we can even have that is enough for me. I'll keep it outdoors, 25 feet away from doors and operable windows, away from dining areas, away from schools, away from children and pregnant women, etc. to be able to have that one thing.
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Until the scientific community says there are no risks, I really don't think that it's realistic to expect that we'll be treated differently than smokers. There's just no way the non-vaping public will make a distinction between vaping and smoking until it is becomes scientifically accepted fact that secondhand vapor is harmless. And honestly, I'm ok with that.

Have to say, I agree with your post wholeheartedly. I enjoy the social aspects of being in the smokers club, and enjoy vaping whilst stood around with my smoking buddies.

I've tried to stop smoking a few times, but have never been able. Since I got my vaping kit I've not needed or wanted a cigarette. For this alone I'm very happy.
 

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    I do vape inside at work and at home, but that is about it, I wouldn't dream of vaping in a restaurant, as can see it being off putting to other customers, and sure wouldn't do it at the movies and wouldn't want anyone else to either, who wants to watch a movie with vape drifting across the screen.

    But smoking was banned from inside most places because of the health concerns, and as vaping does not have them same health risks, I do not believe vapers should be labeled the same as smokers.
     

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    Went out to dinner last night. I left my e-cig in the car. I think most of us are respectful of others on where and when we vape. I might take a stealth vape here and there though. I'm slowly bringing my nicotine level down to try and reach the point that I vape when I want to. Not when I have to because I'm craving nicotine.
     

    SnakeFarm

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    The simple answer to you question is that we ARE different. I know I've changed. I used to not be at all concerned with my health, finances, what others thought of me or anything I did. I took a lot of time from work to go on smoke-breaks and I came back smelling like grim blistering death. But I have changed, and I think most of us just want the insane big-brother mob to back off, or at least that it would acknowledge what we know to be fact: Vaping IS different.

    Also, the "appeal to authority" fallacy is especially dangerous with "the *Scientific Community." Especially when (in the US at least) that amounts to the FDA; an overreaching bureaucracy proven to favor the interest of big business over science and plain old common sense in almost every case. Remember, this "Scientific Community" approved tobacco in the first place.

    *You should always capitalize the names of deity so as not to offend their worshipers. :)
     

    sk8r

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    Can't speak for others of course, but one of the things that got me started with vaping was precisely the fact that I could vape where I could not smoke, which, where I live, is almost flippin' everywhere. So, yeah, I do vape pretty much wherever I want, and I haven't had a sngle complaint from anybody - only really interested questions from the curious. :)
     

    Bob Chill

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    I suppose in the grand scheme vaping is basically still underground. The only people that really know much about it are the ones partaking. And it's very easy for the anti-smoke crowd to treat it like the only thing they know about- smoking. The flood of awareness is starting (for better or worse). Studies will be done. Big tobacco will blast the public with it as their product keep coming out. The grapevine will continue to work. And only 1 of 2 things will happen. It will be treated exactly like smoking or leeway lines will be drawn.

    I agree with some points in this thread. Part of discretion is simple respect. If you vape in restaurants, movies, indoor sporting events, etc it will most certainly bother people regardless of "the truth". In crowded public places I will always respect those around me. Farting is 100% legal everywhere but if I have the chili dog nasties I'm certainly not going to crop dust the dining room of my favorite restaurant.
     

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    I too remember when smoking was a perfectly acceptable activity and could be carried out anywhere and everywhere.

    On topic: The only legitimate reason to ban smoking has been the damage it causes to other people's health and welfare. However, vaping does NOT cause that damage, since there is no second-hand smoke or bad odor, and in my short experience, does NOT bother others. Others rarely if ever even notice it unless they are directly looking at you and you are billowing vapour in their faces.

    I don't smoke. I don't produce smoke. I no longer act like a smoker. I no longer smell like a smoker. I am not a smoker. So don't treat me like a smoker and I won't pretend I am one.

    I refuse to have guilt trips about what I do. I have a nicotine addiction, ok, and choose to vape to satisfy it orally. The similarity with smoking ends there.
     

    Hitmetwice

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    I appreciate your point of view but for me going to vape with smokers is not an option for me anymore.
    Doc says no more smoke inhalation for me due to my poor lung health.(40yr. smoker w emphysema)
    So if I can't be around people smoking but can only vape with smokers in smoking areas,
    either I can't vape or require some special consideration, allowance or accommodation.
    Or I have to be sneaky about it and be looking over my shoulder continually because I'm doing
    something "wrong". This is the boat I find myself in ATM.
    Everyone has valid reasons, this is mine.
     

    trouble1000

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    There's another aspect to this debate that I've been thinking about ever since I heard about possible regulations here in the UK.

    I must stress these are just my own personal thoughts.

    What if somewhere down the line the UK does classify PV ejuice as a medicine. I'm not talking specific strengths here. But then, would any companies/businesses that have banned e-cigs have to lift those bans. After all you can't stop someone using a regulated medicinal product, can you ?

    It could even help to lift the stigma with PV use. Personally, I hope they don't regulate ejuice strengths or flavours, I love my 24mg fruit/cream/dessert type juices, so I would have to make some big changes if regulation did happen.

    I'll stress again, this is just something I've been thinking about recently and is just one of my musings on my fantastic healthy hobby :D
     

    XeniaMike

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    We are different, but it's still early in the vaping game. I vape inside at home and work and even in my beloved car, but I don't vape in public places where smoking is banned. The hope is in time that will change as the general public becomes more educated about vaping. I believe that day will come. Most every non/ex smoker I've talked to about it is supportive. Even the ones who are anti-smoking nazis come around once they understand what it is.
     

    cyberwolf

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    Smokers are relegated to smoking areas because of the dangers of second hand smoke. There is no evidence of any danger from second hand vapor. Common sense says that vapor cannot possibly be as bad as smoke. The chemicals simply aren't there in the first place. There is no sound reason for lumping vaping in with smoking other than that it "looks" like smoking, and I have a problem with rules that are predicated on such flimsy arguments.
     

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    Grace, courtesy and politeness go a long way in any setting. I don't expect to be able to vape wherever I am. On the other hand, I vape wherever I can, where I don't offend or intrude on others. Vaping is not smoking and I will defend the obvious differences rigorously. I don't believe the whole entitlement mentality leads to much anything positive, and I don't act that way, and I can completely understand why someone would have a problem with it if I did act that way. I believe your points are well made and it's an interesting discussion. Methinks you may be a bit too lenient, though, in preserving whatever rights we may have. Since second hand vapor has been shown to have no adverse side affects, I don't consider the requirement to be 35 feet from doorways necessary. I do consider blowing vapor in someone's face to be rude and offensive. There is a happy medium in most situations. If we don't defend our right to vape, the PC police will eventually get around to removing that right from us. So, while we must always respect others, we must also draw a line in the sand and fight for our right to vape. Welcome to ECF, congrats on getting here, good luck, and Vape On!
     
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    Faylool

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    Because it looks like smoking is not a fair reasoning period. It's childish of people to even go there. So what? But people are people. Got to live with them. I don't enjoy felling like I might be rebelling if I vape in certain places so I just don't. I vape for enjoyment. People are taking my fun away because of closed minded thinking but it happens in a lot of areas. Why I moved to the country with my animals so they can be themselves and I stay there a lot too for the same reason!
     
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