Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?

[Seef]

I'm new to vaping but I'm already seeing huge benefits. The biggest being I can do it wherever and whenever. I have discretion though and don't run around smoking in restaurants or blowing vapor in peoples face telling them it's okay because it's not harmful. We shouldn't be seen as smokers... honestly not even close. I read someone posted it if you vape like your smoking cigarettes than that's the image you will put off to others and who really wants that?

Cigarettes are different in so many ways. They're flammable and could cause fires, ashes and cig butts are messy, smoke is toxic and the smell is irritating to others. Other than resembling smoking a cigarette to the point where it may bother someone else, I can not think of why you shouldn't be able to vape wherever your heart desires.

Also I'm sure there are regular cigarette smokers who do vape for the sole purpose that they can do it wherever they want. They don't have to wait irritably for hours on a plane or rush out of a nice dinner to go smoke a cigarette. Times like this is the main reason I tried vaping in the first place. My first time using one I couldn't believe how much it cut my want for a cigarette, I felt almost repulsed by the thought of having one after. Now I've quit smoking completely. If vaping was treated like smoking than my health, finances, and people around me would still be suffering from it. Even though I would have known it's in fact much healthier, I don't know if it would have sparked my interest as much if it didn't allow me to get my nicotine fix in previously impossible places.

 

[wv2win]

I hear what you're saying but having recognized Dekang & Hangsen were made in China, I haven't bought either, nor will I.

I purchase only 0 and 6mg nicotine juices and will soon purchase only 0mg... I hope! Not too concerned about the percentage that will come from China as I suspect it will be miniscule. At least one of my suppliers, Nicoticket, sources 100% from the US. I may elect to contact the others to determine their sourcing. Will share that info if I do.

I've only been vaping just over a month so I was not exposed to the early eliquid that may have come from China.

There might be no "creditable" reasons for you not to use Chinese eliquid, I feel differently, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla.

After looking at Nicoticket's web site, I would be about 95% sure they are a "mix it at home" eliquid seller. I see no pictures of their manufacturing process or safety procedures. They just have some very basic internet graphics with the word: Quality. Do they have "clean rooms" for prep? Do they wear cloves and hairnets. What sanitary procedures can home brew eliquid makers afford, if any?

The risk in that type of operation is more likely to be higher than this type of operation:

 

[Snicks]

Well without a doubt it is healthier. Doctors wouldn't be behind it otherwise but you are right. The real scientific studies we need aren't done yet. Time will tell.

 

[stever4376]

Although I believe that Vaping is vastly different than smoking, I understand that many people view them as nearly the same. When they see "smoke" being exhaled, they assume that's just what it is. I was a heavy smoker for over 30 years. I always tried to be polite and consider the comfort of others. Don't get me wrong, I never had any problem jerking the chain of a rabid anti-smoker, but for the most part I tried to be considerate.

What I do see that bothers me is a move to demonize e-cigs and Vaping by government bodies in an attempt to paint it as just another "tobacco product", which is ridiculous and misinformed. I see it as a move to heap sin taxes on us since tobacco use is dropping and a huge tax revenue source is beginning to dwindle. Just as with hybrid and electric cars, since they use less or no gasoline, the owners pay fewer taxes toward road and transportation. Many states want to tax the miles they drive in order to recapture the lost tax revenue. It's another slippery slope.

Yes, I do want to be treated differently.

Don't shove tobacco taxes down my throat.
Don't raise my life insurance premiums or charge me additional fees.
Don't sneer at me and think I'm putting your health in danger.
Don't look at my battery and cartomizer and assume I holding a piece of drug paraphenalia.

 

[sherid]

But you can still get the sound of silence when one asks the anti-smokers to name 3 people in the history of smoking who have ever died from shs. You can probably get someone to cite a case of an asthma attack triggered by smoke, but you could also find asthma attacks triggered by perfume, yet we do not have bans on perfume on airlines or in bars. The whole shs scam is a crime against science.
Mans Impending Death To Be Caused By Second Hand Smoke FORCES International - Archive

 

[ennagizer]

Most US made eliquid is made by individuals in their homes. Johnson Creek is one of the exceptions. Some of the eliquid sold by Madvapes is from China. Dekang & Hangsen, both in China, are the two largest suppliers of eliquid worldwide.

The tainted food that caused deaths and illnesses in the US was due to the lack of cleanliness in the affected US plants.

Some of the ingredients in some US made eliquid actually comes from other countries, specifically nicotine from China.

For the first 3 - 4 years that vaping existed, Chinese eliquid was the only eliquid produced or used.

There is no creditable reason to have concerns about Chinese eliquid. There is potentially creditable reasons to have concerns about some US made eliquid, considering how it is made.

Thank you for that! I've had the same feelings from when I started vaping 3 months ago and started learning and looking at many eliquid sellers. I've made it a sort of hobby to look at juice vendors and try to figure out who they are. It's astonishing to me how many vendors go out of their way to hide who they are & where they're located. It makes me wonder where and how the liquid they sell is actually produced.

It's sometimes difficult to get an actual phone number or address from a vendors website. Sometimes it's there, but hidden very well, sometimes there's no info at all, but maybe a contact form. A whois on the domain name many times reveals it's registered via a proxy service. A search for where the site is hosted sometimes reveals a cheap hosting service on a shared webserver with 100 other domains. A search on the company name in the state it's registered sometimes reveals home addresses, trailer park addresses, UPS PO Box addresses or registered agent addresses. Sometimes these registrations don't contain the owners name either.

I'm not going to call any company out on this, but some sellers have been highly praised here on ecf (and other places) for their eliquid. But, I tell ya, after doing some vendor research, I wouldn't purchase a drop from many of them. If a seller is not going to be open about who they are and where their juice is produced, I ain't buying it. You think I'm going to trust someone who goes out of their way to hide themselves? You think I'm going to buy juice from a vendor who's company address is a trailer park (and a satellite search reveals junk & crap all over the property)? Essentially, you think I'm going to trust someone who learned how to make juice from a video and said "hey, I can do that"? Nope. I seek out vendors who have legit facilities and are open about who they are and what they're doing.

 

[DancingHeretik]

I guarantee vaping will be banned everywhere smoking is, and I'm fine with that.

Do I understand correctly that in NYC you cannot smoke in your own apartment? On many company properties or school properties, you cannot smoke outside, not even in your own vehicle.

If smoking bans were reasonable, then I would be willing to only vape where smoking is allowed. However, smoking bans have become insane.

ETA: However, there's still the issue that vaping in smoking areas exposes vapers unnecessarily to smoke. If non-vapers don't have to be around smoke, then why do we?

 

[jkd916]

What I do see that bothers me is a move to demonize e-cigs and Vaping by government bodies in an attempt to paint it as just another "tobacco product", which is ridiculous and misinformed. I see it as a move to heap sin taxes on us since tobacco use is dropping and a huge tax revenue source is beginning to dwindle. Just as with hybrid and electric cars, since they use less or no gasoline, the owners pay fewer taxes toward road and transportation. Many states want to tax the miles they drive in order to recapture the lost tax revenue. It's another slippery slope.

Yes, I do want to be treated differently.

Don't shove tobacco taxes down my throat.
Don't raise my life insurance premiums or charge me additional fees.
Don't sneer at me and think I'm putting your health in danger.
Don't look at my battery and cartomizer and assume I holding a piece of drug paraphenalia.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes! This is all I can foresee in the future of vaping, if there continues to be one. We're putting holes in Big Tobacco's pockets and they are realizing that their options are limited: go with the flow or expect to go under. Even if e-cigs cease to be under fire with the FDA, etc., I'm sure we can all expect a hefty tax as soon as it becomes a regulated product. Sad that we all have our hands tied behind our backs because of the stink the FDA has made.

Not sure if I'm the only one, but one of my main reasons for trying to switch is the smell. I get tired of people getting on me about it. Well, there is the added benefit of having my cake and eating it, too, of course. I, like many I'm sure, am not quite prepared to quit my nicotine habits. It's just an added benefit that my chest isn't as tight and I don't wake up hacking up a lung every morning.

 

[Richieboy]

I started vaping indoors now when I always used to smoke on our balcony, my girlfriends not particularly happy about that!

 

[stevegmu]

Do I understand correctly that in NYC you cannot smoke in your own apartment? On many company properties or school properties, you cannot smoke outside, not even in your own vehicle.

If smoking bans were reasonable, then I would be willing to only vape where smoking is allowed. However, smoking bans have become insane.

ETA: However, there's still the issue that vaping in smoking areas exposes vapers unnecessarily to smoke. If non-vapers don't have to be around smoke, then why do we?

Everything has been or is on the way to being banned in NYC. Bloomberg is a joke- the sane people are leaving NCY in droves.

Where I work is tobacco free, which includes the use of e-cigs. While I would rather vape in my car on break, it isn't that big a deal to drive off of the property- I found a nice lake nearby.

I actually don't go anywhere that has smoking areas, other than airports and I could barely stand those rooms as it is. I can wait.

Vapers don't HAVE to be around smokers, they choose to.

 

[jkd916]

A few of the major cities have gone so far. A friend came back from California and told me that people were screaming at her in traffic to put her cigarette out. Ridiculous.

I choose to stay around smokers for the community, since vapers are so few around here, and to lessen the risk of being harassed by people in places that are otherwise smoke-free. I vape all day long in my own home, though, and at friends' houses as well if they'll allow it. Most don't mind and compliment the smell.

People can truly be so misguided.

 

[wdawg88]

umm please don't vape where you are not supposed to smoke.

I stayed at the Cosmo in Vegas this weekend for EDC, and the ppl that vaped in the elevators were annoying as ........

Be respectful to others, and don't be rude. Just cause you think it's ok to do, doesn't mean you have to do it.

 

[DC2]

A few of the major cities have gone so far. A friend came back from California and told me that people were screaming at her in traffic to put her cigarette out. Ridiculous.

I'm not saying I don't believe your friend...

But I've lived in California my entire life and never seen or heard of anything like that.
On the other hand, I've worked from home for the last 15 years so I'm not really ever in tight traffic.

But if anyone ever did that to me back when I was smoking, it most definitely would not go over well.
That's all I'm going to say about that.

 

[DC2]

umm please don't vape where you are not supposed to smoke.

What if where you live you're not supposed to smoke on the beach?
What about if you're not supposed to smoke in a public park?

What about if you're not supposed to smoke in your own car in the parking lot of a university or a hospital?
What about if you're not supposed to smoke in the entire apartment complex?

The list is growing every year, and next year maybe I'll have some examples you really won't like.

 

[wdawg88]

What if where you live you're not supposed to smoke on the beach?
What about if you're not supposed to smoke in a public park?
What about if you're not supposed to smoke in your car in the parking lot of a university or a hospital?

The list is growing every year, and next year maybe I'll have some examples you really won't like.

there are designated spots where you can smoke/vape. Don't be a douche and impose on other ppl.

Sorry but you vapers that vape where you "know" your not supposed to, give us a bad rep.

 

[DC2]

there are designated spots where you can smoke/vape. Don't be a douche and impose on other ppl.

Sorry but you vapers that vape where you "know" your not supposed to, give us a bad rep.

So you would accept the restrictions I outlined?

 

[wdawg88]

So you would accept the restrictions I outlined?

yup. Except for my own property. I would vape/smoke in my own car/house anytime I want.

If it was in the public I would just wait to vape. If you can't wait to vape/smoke in a designated area.. Then I think you have a deeper addiction than nicotine.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Smoking outdoors in a park or beach is imposing? Are you kidding?

 

[DC2]

yup. Except for my own property. I would vape/smoke in my own car/house anytime I want.

If it was in the public I would just wait to vape. If you can't wait to vape/smoke in a designated area.. Then I think you have a deeper addiction than nicotine.

Well, you'll get a ticket on certain college campuses for smoking in your car in any of their parking lots.
And you'll get asked to leave if smoking in your car in some hospital parking lots.

I'm not sure exactly what they'll do to you in certain state parks, but I'm guessing a citation is possibly involved.
On certain beaches you will definitely get a ticket though.

I'm glad you're okay with that, but get ready for it to get worse.
Because it gets worse every year.

 

[wdawg88]

well if they don't allow it.. and there is a designated area.. What's the problem?

why push your habits on others?