if they werent addicted im sure they could have waited til the next morning for the store to open
Why do you guys vape?
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if they werent addicted im sure they could have waited til the next morning for the store to open
I also agree. The link Barbchris supplied is the real truth, but most won't want to hear that.
LOL, they don't want the store to be open, that's the point, they want it for free.
You can't compare the links you posted with scientific data, its fact, there is no argument here.
There will be 1000 replies and 900 different reasons why people vape, but here is mine.
I had no problems with my lungs, completed a class A pilots physical and the doctor said I needed to stay away from smokers as I smelled like smoke but my lungs were clear... I smoked 1.5 packs a day for 15 years. I also run cross country for (wait for it) fun. I gave up analogs for my daughter as she told me "Daddy you stink" when she gave me a hug, and that was it.
I also am a type 1 diabetic and I have a huge sweet tooth. I use it to sedate my need for flavor as well as my hand to mouth fixation I had with smoking for so long.
I had no problems with my lungs, completed a class A pilots physical and the doctor said I needed to stay away from smokers as I smelled like smoke but my lungs were clear... I smoked 1.5 packs a day for 15 years. I also run cross country for (wait for it) fun. I gave up analogs for my daughter as she told me "Daddy you stink" when she gave me a hug, and that was it.
I also am a type 1 diabetic and I have a huge sweet tooth. I use it to sedate my need for flavor as well as my hand to mouth fixation I had with smoking for so long.
As someone who has struggled with a real opiate addiction (legally prescribed to me) I can promise you all that nicotine is nowhere near "the most addictive substance known to man". Anyone who thinks it is has clearly never experience the effects of a real addiction.
Nicotine is definitely addictive, but the nic in ecigs is pure and unadulterated,unlike the nic modified by a long list of chemicals added by tobacco companies to essentially free base the nic and send it to our brains for a sense of satisfaction.
I started at 24mg to get off a 2 PAD cigarette habit. I continued that for a long time thinking that withdrawal would kick in if I reduced it. When I finally decided to drop my nic levels I went to 18mg ... no problems. After that, I went to 12mg ... still no problems. My next drop was to 6mg ... piece of cake.
The reason I still vape after 4 1/2 years is simply because I enjoy the hand to mouth habit and the inhale and exhale. As long as there's no concrete medical evidence of impending doom I will probably continue.
I'm contemplating a drop to zero nic for health insurance cost reduction, but at my age I think that a little nic is a good thing to have in my system to enhance brain function. Why else would doctors prescribe nicotine patches for Alzheimer's patients to assist in boosting cognitive function?
The point and the supreme benefit of vaping over smoking is harm reduction. I've read every study I can get my hands on and have yet to see any report that proclaims even a minor health risk other than minimal irritation of the bronchials that goes away with lessened or discontinued use. That's one reason I wonder about lung hits and sub ohm clouds. Not everyone can withstand the effects of high level usage in the short term or especially the long term.
I started at 24mg to get off a 2 PAD cigarette habit. I continued that for a long time thinking that withdrawal would kick in if I reduced it. When I finally decided to drop my nic levels I went to 18mg ... no problems. After that, I went to 12mg ... still no problems. My next drop was to 6mg ... piece of cake.
The reason I still vape after 4 1/2 years is simply because I enjoy the hand to mouth habit and the inhale and exhale. As long as there's no concrete medical evidence of impending doom I will probably continue.
I'm contemplating a drop to zero nic for health insurance cost reduction, but at my age I think that a little nic is a good thing to have in my system to enhance brain function. Why else would doctors prescribe nicotine patches for Alzheimer's patients to assist in boosting cognitive function?
The point and the supreme benefit of vaping over smoking is harm reduction. I've read every study I can get my hands on and have yet to see any report that proclaims even a minor health risk other than minimal irritation of the bronchials that goes away with lessened or discontinued use. That's one reason I wonder about lung hits and sub ohm clouds. Not everyone can withstand the effects of high level usage in the short term or especially the long term.
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Is it really a contest? Yes, some addictions are stronger than others. I for one believe Nicotine is one of the strongest. Just because the withdrawal effects of opiates are violent doesnt mean its a worse addiction.
because theyre addicted...if i wanted a new phone or something, sure id rather have it for free, but im not going to break into the store to get it, because i dont need it, and i dont need it fast. im not dependent on that phone to make me feel right again. and its not worth going to jail to have it.
some people use violence others are more reasonable. i think we can both agree that nicotine is addictive, either way.
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There is absolutely no denying that the nature of nicotine withdrawals is just a tiny, silent fart in a howling hurricane compared to withdrawals from hard drugs.
thats true, but still addicting, and for some much more than others
Your experience runs counter to the vast majority of people who have been vaping for years.
Hmmm... tobacco studies... Imagine that.
I've been addicted. Barbituates, uppers, downers, halucinogens, alcohol, you name it. One thing that was common with all of them was a painful withdrawal. Same thing that happened when I switched to e-cigs. I went through withdrawal while vaping it like I stole it. Tobacco was my hardest quit. By far. Not nearly as painful as the rest... just the most difficult to abstain.
One thing that's different about vaping. I can go several hours without NEEDING to absolutely right now stop everything and partake Immediately.
So maybe. Just maybe. The 855 TOBACCO studies and products abound produced, poisoned and marketed by BT and BP have absolutely no baring on the truth of the addictive nature of nicotine... just nicotine.
It's been my experience and the experience of countless others on this very forum. Look for yourself. There are countless stories of folks lowering and even eliminating their nic levels after the initial withdrawal and a reasonable adjustment period. That's simply not how addiction works. It doesn't let you go slowly. It pulls you in.
For the record I've witnessed plenty of people steel for cigarettes.
I choose to believe what has proven true for me. If you can't feel and know the difference that is your own problem to deal with. Nobody needs a master's thesis to understand that.
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At least I can agree with that.
For me, nicotine does not appear to be addictive at all, but smoking may have been to some extent.
For others, yeah, I guess nicotine by itself could be addictive to a greater or lesser extent.
But it's pretty hard to know for sure when almost all of the research done over the last few decades has conflated nicotine with smoking.
Recent studies are showing never-smokers using nicotine for various treatments are NOT getting addicted at all...
Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurode... : Neurology Today
Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis
It really depends on the person, and other conditions they may have, especially depression/anxiety. And, it's far more relevant to *smoking cessation* than *nicotine cessation* -- smoking cessation withdrawal can be pretty awful, but nicotine withdrawal is more like caffeine withdrawal; uncomfortable, but not agony.
Andria
Hmmm... tobacco studies... Imagine that.
I've been addicted. Barbituates, uppers, downers, halucinogens, alcohol, you name it. One thing that was common with all of them was a painful withdrawal. Same thing that happened when I switched to e-cigs. I went through withdrawal while vaping it like I stole it. Tobacco was my hardest quit. By far. Not nearly as painful as the rest... just the most difficult to abstain.
One thing that's different about vaping. I can go several hours without NEEDING to absolutely right now stop everything and partake Immediately.
So maybe. Just maybe. The 855 TOBACCO studies and products abound produced, poisoned and marketed by BT and BP have absolutely no baring on the truth of the addictive nature of nicotine... just nicotine.
It's been my experience and the experience of countless others on this very forum. Look for yourself. There are countless stories of folks lowering and even eliminating their nic levels after the initial withdrawal and a reasonable adjustment period. That's simply not how addiction works. It doesn't let you go slowly. It pulls you in.
For the record I've witnessed plenty of people steel for cigarettes.
I choose to believe what has proven true for me. If you can't feel and know the difference that is your own problem to deal with. Nobody needs a master's thesis to understand that.
My last quit, I was "vaping like I stole it" on 10mg nicotine, all I can handle without nausea, and after ten days of that with zero cravings, STILL began experiencing the most godawful cravings; I'd try the distraction method, chain vaping, eating, chocolate, caffeine, every last thing I could think of, but it simply could not get in front of my brain telling me, every minute, "smoke Smoke SMOKE NOW!" So, I added WTA -- the trace alkaloids and tobacco-MAOIs. The cravings went completely away and have not returned. Which tells me, it wasn't the nicotine; I was getting plenty of that -- it was most likely the MAOIs.
Andria
Heh I just made the mistake myself there. I just had to come along and make it look like I entirely missed everything I just read. It was just a brainfart typing kind of thing, tho
I was probably a bit bombastic with my previous post. I was mainly thinking of the physical symptoms of abstinence. The sickness and pains that (I believe) most smokers don't suffer when quitting. The mental aspect, tho... I'm sure some smokers can go just as crazy as drug users. Well.. sort of ... somehow... y'know. Minus the part where ones brain is usually quite scrambled to begin with if one is coming off of the tougher stuff.
A perfect example. Testify!
For me, I had the determination not to keep feeding myself the cocktail. My nic tolerance was through the roof. I'd smoked 4 PAD while chewing nicorette like it's going out of style and rotating 2 stage one nicoderm patches constantly in an attempt to lower my smoking level unsuccessfully. I have gone through very serious withdrawal with nearly every other substance known to man. That, I was prepared for. I just needed something, a stop gap if you will... that would fill the void just right while I put myself through it one last time. Nothing else ever filled that void for me.
I may vape 50mg @ 0.2 ohms. But I now have freedom to take my kids shopping or to the movies. I can breathe again, too. It's an unbelievably wonderful feeling.
I started vaping to quit smoking, then I realized that I didn't need the nic, so I lower it a lot and felt that I didn't needed it, but then I realized that nic was keeping my ADHD at bay and it got a bit out of control after lowering it, so no I upped my nicotine and vape as a self medication.
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