Why does my Kayfun lite hit so hard?

[toddrhodes]

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i dont know man i still think its a wicking problem, with a normal silica wick it is one of the smoother devices i have as far as TH and when i need a kick i grab a dripper. give it a few more tries, not everyone hits the perfect setup the first time.

My Russians tend to hit quite a bit harder than my EHPRO clone, FWIW. I do agree that it's mostly setup related. I built two nearly identical coils, one for each R91, wicked them with the same kind and thickness of cotton, and set them up identically. Filled one with JuiceMafia Highway4 and the other with Poet Americano Ciambella. The one with the Poet sounds like it's a rocket about to take off and it kicks hard. The other one is smoother and quieter. So yea, every setup varies. I also turn my airflow control down quite a bit, I like a tighter draw, for whatever that's worth.

 

[ckone180]

I think Jameth is correct. Similar to rotating the air hole away from the wick in a genesis style, if the KFL coil isn't directly in the air flow path, you'll get a strong, harsh and unbearable (to me, anyway) TH. If it was a wicking issue the OP would likely experience a dry, almost burnt taste. Silica or not, as the wire for the coil itself will provide a strange taste.

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[Bennylava]

Ok here are some pics of the deck. It would seem that it is wicking properly. I vaped on it for about 30 hits, and when I took it all apart, the wicks were still saturated. So I don't think its a wicking problem. You can't tell from those pics but it the coil is only about 1mm above the hole. And its not off to the side. So at this point, I'm still at a loss to explain the harsh throat hit and the low vapor production. I cranked up the watts in increments of 1, from 8 watts, all the way to 15. The only thing that happened was that it started to burn the fluid at about 13 watts. Airflow screw is out for best airflow. It was all the same with it in though, just a tighter draw.

I'm starting to think this thing is just made for people who like very harsh throat hits, and low vapor production.

 

[deanthemachine]

Have you tried a rebuild with silica? Has it always been this way? I dont know man, I get tons of vapor and a good, but not overbearing TH. But I am not that sensitive to TH.

 

[Credo]

I lay a cotton flavor wick over the coils in my Kayfuns. 2 Ohm micro-coils around cotton wicks with a really thin layer of cotton over the top of it all. Nice smooth vape. I'm not sure how it would do without the flavor wick as I've had no need to go back in and try it that way

 

[Bawn]

some juices i have create TOO intense of a throat hit, like a ecto flavor juice, or a sour juice like a lemonade, its actually unbearable. so those juice i actually cant get even load up in the tank.

 

[ckone180]

Ok here are some pics of the deck. It would seem that it is wicking properly. I vaped on it for about 30 hits, and when I took it all apart, the wicks were still saturated. So I don't think its a wicking problem. You can't tell from those pics but it the coil is only about 1mm above the hole. And its not off to the side. So at this point, I'm still at a loss to explain the harsh throat hit and the low vapor production. I cranked up the watts in increments of 1, from 8 watts, all the way to 15. The only thing that happened was that it started to burn the fluid at about 13 watts. Airflow screw is out for best airflow. It was all the same with it in though, just a tighter draw.

I'm starting to think this thing is just made for people who like very harsh throat hits, and low vapor production.


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From the pictures it looks to me like the coil is off to the side a bit. I could be wrong, a top picture would be easier to see what's happening.

If the juice is a concern, you could swap it out for one that you know has little to no TH. I do not care for harsh THs, so I understand your issue. Vanilla flavor, lemonade and the like has way to harsh of a feeling for me. I still believe it has something to do with alignment of the coil. It should be directly over the air hole. If not you will get a serious kick with very little vapor. That vapor is still being created. And if you were to take a draw, then go back to the device a few seconds later and slightly blow through the drip tip, you may see some vapor exiting the airflow inlet. That is a sign of lingering vapor, where you are not pulling it through on the initial inhale.

 

[Serenity Now!]

I use cotton and a 1.75mm kantha coil at 1.8 and I've found raising the coil off the deck to about the height of the screw heads helped tame the throat hit a little. I know I've read the exact oppsite advice several times and have tried every height in between but it helped for me. I mix my own juice at 70pg/30vg btw. I go through 10-12mls a day and I can only take so much throat hit.

Something else I found helped a lot was using a different drip tip, something with a wider bore. I think that small hole in the tip channels the heat a bit and makes for a hotter vape if you take long pulls or chain vape like me. I have one of those muffler types on mine now.

I haven't worked out all the wrinkles but when it works well, it works really well. Good luck!

 

[crxess]

Looked back at your first post and at your coil.
To me the center of the wick/coil looks pretty dark. This would be from e-liquid caramelizing. Caramelizing is from higher heat and lower flow.

Have you simply tried Vaping at 6.5w.

Better question, do you have the Vamo in NO2 Mode? NO1 is extremely unregulated and pulses full power much harder causing Hot peaks.
No2 is much smoother power delivery and easier to manipulate for best vape.

 

[ycromo]

looking at your pic, looks like coil is too low? little airflow? thus little vapor and more th?

 

[danny4x4]

At 0mg nic, it will never ever hit hard. All you're getting is hot air,which you may have mistaken for throat hit. It's probably the way your coils are setup, or wicking issues causing this.

 

[jameth]

Looking at your pics, it kinda looks to me like maybe too much wicking matterial up on the deck by the airflow hole.

It may be diverting your air in weird directions, and not up and around the coil maybe?

You should be able to set this up easily with zero throat hit with 0 nic / high vg juice.


Also make sure your coil isn't actually touching the deck by the airhole, it could be shorting there and burning hot in one spot.

 

[jameth]

You give someone blatant misinformation, get called out on it, then immediately start insulting people?

Seriously? Know-it-alls? So you're annoyed with the people who are giving accurate information or contradicting your obviously incorrect information?

Impressive!

Didn't you quit vaping like over 4 months ago anyway?

Thank you so much for this, I was starting to think maybe I was crazy, I though I was pretty fair lol

 

[tj99959]

I'll be blunt, you jumped into extreme vaping without first learning the basics.

There is no way that you will get anything but heat from that build. You are not getting any flavor, TH, or vapor from that build, you are only getting heat.

Sorry man, but someone had to say it.

However, pay close attention to what is said about TH in this vid. The reality is that the KF isn't for everyone.

 

[stumpfreeman]

Just keep trying, rebuild it again and again until it works properly. Once you get it right, the rewards are great! I use 12 mg and the throat hit is not harsh at all, it's just right. Has to be something in your build. With 0 nic, you should get NO throat hit whatsoever. I use Kayfuns, EHPRO clones, and Russians exclusively and have 4-5 of them set up at all times. I use 30g wire with 4/3 wrap and haven't experienced a better vape from anything else yet.

 

[Bennylava]

Just keep trying, rebuild it again and again until it works properly. Once you get it right, the rewards are great! I use 12 mg and the throat hit is not harsh at all, it's just right. Has to be something in your build. With 0 nic, you should get NO throat hit whatsoever. I use Kayfuns, EHPRO clones, and Russians exclusively and have 4-5 of them set up at all times. I use 30g wire with 4/3 wrap and haven't experienced a better vape from anything else yet.

I'd like to believe that, but if you watch the vid above your post, he says that both build types produce a very strong throat hit. I like zero throat hit. None at all, or very little at most. Its all I can take, after vaping 0mg for so long. What is your build like? Did you build yours differently than he did in that vid?

I'll be blunt, you jumped into extreme vaping without first learning the basics. There is no way that you will get anything but heat from that build. You are not getting any flavor, TH, or vapor from that build, you are only getting heat.

Sorry man, but someone had to say it.

However, pay close attention to what is said about TH in this vid. The reality is that the KF isn't for everyone.

Thanks for being honest. But if you're going to call it extreme vaping, I'd like to know why you say I'll get nothing but heat from that build. How would you build it? Many of the posters here seem to think there is a way to build it with no throat hit. Would you say that you agree? If so, how would you go about doing so? I'm of the mind that its the heat that's causing the horrible throat hit.

 

[retired1]

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