Why does th us media lie to the public & get away with it?

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Grumpy5150

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I read this earlier & i'm just getting back to it. I was going to add to it but I dont believe that I could have done it any better than AttyPops
Quality and integrity of reporting has given way to "Immediate Breaking News" sensationalism and a war for ratings. The internet fuels it as well as fights it. Add to that the bias that is present (usually with politics...on BOTH sides...but on other issues too) and "reporters" (using the term loosely here) and bloggers (I won't call them reporters) feel no obligation to be impartial, and would rather kiss corp management .....

The stories of a minor find for DEG in one particular manufacturer's e-juice still echo through the halls of the media as "E-Cigs contain bad antifreeze". The media, had it done it's job, would have refuted the FDA's extreme stance on e-cigs easily. I'm not at all sure that the "power$ that be" don't grease the wheels on these things.

The digging-for-information bit has always been shady, but it's gone to a new level thanks to technology. Look at the scandals with Murdoch and crew.

It's all for the ratings (which result in advertising $$). We, the viewers/readers, are left with little to no choice but to click on an article and see what it says. That ups the ratings. Doesn't matter that after we read it, it's complete crap.

I think there are still some respected sources. They are fewer and farther between. Fairness demands that I mention that the media is often as much a "tool" as a culprit. Manipulating the media is a profession in and of itself also.

In China, as an example, a news story would usually be suppressed because it would embarrass the government. A company that is caught making China look bad is paraded to the public, then punished. (Note that the operative word is "caught". How much effort the government uses to catch companies...)
In a story of an e cigarette exploding, the exciting part is the explosion! People tune in for that! A reasonable explanation about how the manufacturer made it clear, in writing, that only protected batteries be used...boring! Is it more exciting to talk about how maybe we vape antifreeze or spend all that extra time doing proper research, asking questions, only to end up with the boring story?
Look, its simple: list the first ten celebrities you can think of, then ask if you heard of them because of talent.
Most American media thinks a Kardashian's sex life is more important to report on than what is happening in Sudan.

Wickedwench - When I see or hear something about the Sudan the first thing that pops into my head is George Clooney.
 

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We know why they lie, just about every post up till here said why. Now why do they get away w it, is another story altogether. I have 4 kids 12 and under and we do not and will not have cable. For the obvious reasons. We will not be part of the reason they get away w it. My kids, at least the older 2, know how much of what is printed and spoken in the media, and by the gov. is pure lip service. Do we own a 50" 1080p super bad@#$ TV? You bet we do. Do we enjoy great quality entertainment as a family? You bet we do. Will we ever pay for corporate cable? No way! It bothers me enough that I have to pay $50 a month for internet and Netflix, but its a great trade off for not contributing to the problem.
 

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I think that many in media are as "caught up" in the excitement and adrenaline rush as anyone. I'm not positive that they are lying in most cases... they just don't know the truth. The problem is that they get paid to dig into it and find the truth... and they don't or are not allowed.

This guy is a liberal, and FOX is conservative, so take it with a grain of salt, but it gives you some interesting facts. Here, the reporters tried to tell a story, but were stopped by management:


Not to pick on them in particular...it's true for all news corps. OTOH it's the conservatives that helped "save e-cigs" in politics. <atty throws up his hands>

So, to the OP re:that story... the reporter didn't know any better and didn't work hard enough to verify facts. Easy enough to do (we've all been wrong before).
 
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I think that many in media are as "caught up" in the excitement and adrenaline rush as anyone. I'm not positive that they are lying in most cases... they just don't know the truth. The problem is that they get paid to dig into it and find the truth... and they don't or are not allowed.

This guy is a liberal, and FOX is conservative, so take it with a grain of salt, but it gives you some interesting facts. Here, the reporters tried to tell a story, but were stopped by management:

Not to pick on them in particular...it's true for all news corps. OTOH it's the conservatives that helped "save e-cigs" in politics. <atty throws up his hands>

So, to the OP re:that story... the reporter didn't know any better and didn't work hard enough to verify facts. Easy enough to do (we've all been wrong before).

Accept, I believe that they don't get paid to dig into it at all. They get paid to find tidbits of news that will sell the airtime at a premium to advertisers. It's a business, pure and simple.

The reason they "lie" to us (and this happens on FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) is because we don't demand the truth. Maybe I'm jaded, but I see that most people prefer affirmation of their own beliefs rather than the truth, if the truth contradicts what they already believe.
 
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That is all well and good, the only problem is attacking theedia is useless and a waste of time.

Fact- the media reports lies
Fact- many times these lies benefit certain financial interests
Fact- fact 1 and fact 2 may or may not be linked.
Fact- in America there is a right to free speech
Fact- I can exercize said right to refute the misinformed

Its nice to find a boogie man, but when the real boo give man comes, what good is this thread.

Furthermore, I wasn't right about just this link, my point is bigger, we have here a thread started as a knee jerk to a video that was itself a knee jerk reaction, and then we sit around knee jerking about a boogie man who had nothing to do with the video.

We even chastize the media for not getting to readily available facts. All the while refusing to search out the search for the readily available facts ourselves, instead we do the very same thing that we accuse them of doing.

Instead, I am a fan of good press, I don't think the way to get good press is to paint them as our enemies.

Please. You're point about that particular link is fine. However, please don't even start to say that a thread titled "Why does the US media lie" can't be responded to with opinions of the US media in general.... regardless of a link to one particular story.

I'll bet I can find several US media stories on e-cigs that would warrant this thread. Even if the OP erred on that particular link. Also, the points regarding media are happening everywhere (and always have to one extent or another). Although I think it varies in degree by country.
 

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I didn't actually say the got facts wrong, although I did imply it by saying we can all be wrong sometimes. Poorly put together on my part.

They didn't "dig into it". If they worked to verify the facts, more of them would come out. They reported it as a standard e-cig (or didn't specify, but showed video of a standard e-cig). The guy in question was using a tube mod with replaceable batteries (non protected and not IMR I believe). At minimal, an error of omission IMO. That's why I said the reporter(s) probably didn't know any better. You'll have to search ECF for more information on the incident.

The problem I'm having with the media on these things is the same problem I'm having with the FDA. Let's take, for example....salad.

Let's say there was a recent incident where someone got salmonella from eating contaminated salad (not even talking about the big-farm, large scare here). Therefore, since there were one or two isolated cases, rather than correct the problem, the FDA (if following the e-cig example) should recommend that everyone not eat salad. Ever. Salad is not safe. And a bunch of other countries will all follow their lead. And then we get news stories that don't explain anything, but say that salad caused salmonella showing salad bars all over the country, rather than in a particular location. Causing a global salad bar scare. (The guy got it at home and problems limited to a specific area!).

BTW I'm not making fun of the very real and serious salad incidents or those that suffered/died from the resulting problems. It's an analogy. The FDA still doesn't try to outlaw salad, or imply that all salad contains salmonella.

Neither do I make light of the guy who lost some teeth with that e-cig.

The media does, in fact, do a better job than that on salmonella reports. They understand it better, and have a history of reporting it. But e-cigs, they don't understand and are not educating themselves well (obvious generalization with exceptions).

2 cents.
 
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If it comes from the US, why is the voice over done with a British accent?

you mean You are not used to it by now?. Every time I tune into AGT theres Piers ripping into some poor contestant. Now you have Simon at it on X Factor. BTW I am a Scot. You know, like the guy who invented the TV in the first place.
This thread is more entertaining than the boring bank holiday we are having in UK this weekend. You do seem to have more holidays (things to celebrate) in the US. I mean, we dont have Thanksgiving. And we certainly don't have an "INDEPENDENCE DAY" U.S. declares independence — History.com This Day in History — 7/4/1776

In addition to that. How many Americans are native? Millions of americans can look up their ancestors & find they had a British accent, or perhaps German ect ect. How many relatives do you think I have on that continent & have been there longer than my 55yrs?. Perhaps their accent would be more comforting for you as its not Scottish anymore. Perhaps if you went back to school for a few yrs you may think before you comment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_American

Now where were we? Oh yes, people were explaining why the media is not as honest as they could be to my relatives.
The reasons may be political or commercial but the reality is that many potential future vapers will be terrified to go anywhere near an e-cig after watching those inaccurate reports.
Politics & the media go hand in hand in every country http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...-cohen-camerons-fear-of-murdoch?newsfeed=true
 
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