Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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Hey I love Art. And have a lot of Respect for those who Create it.
Take this for Example...
G2 Vapor 15ml G2 Vapor 15ml - $7.50
Very Cool Art. Good Staging. Nice Tonal colors in the Background. And I think the Artist who created this did a Fantasic Job of Capturing the Essence of Youth in her eyes and the Slightly toed in feet. Throw in the Contrast of the Chainsaw and Blood splatters. Good Stuff.
But.
To put this Image on a Bottle of e-liquid is just Asking ANTZ Senators to present this during a FDA Deeming Hearing and Claim that e-Cigarette Companies are Marketing to Minors.
Doesn't have Anything to do with Not Respecting Art or Artists.
Why do People/Retailers want to Help ANTZ Senators make the e-Cigarette Industry Look Bad?
You like that. Are you a minor? I like it. I know I'm not a minor. I'm a huge horror fan. R rated movies are not for minors. What makes you think that bottle attracts minors? Serious question. Why do you feel artists must conform? Is this not America? Is the first amendment deadHey I love Art. And have a lot of Respect for those who Create it.
Take this for Example...
G2 Vapor 15ml G2 Vapor 15ml - $7.50
Very Cool Art. Good Staging. Nice Tonal colors in the Background. And I think the Artist who created this did a Fantasic Job of Capturing the Essence of Youth in her eyes and the Slightly toed in feet. Throw in the Contrast of the Chainsaw and Blood splatters. Good Stuff.
But.
To put this Image on a Bottle of e-Liquid is just Asking ANTZ Senators to present this during a FDA Deeming Hearing and Claim that e-Cigarette Companies are Marketing to Minors.
Doesn't have Anything to do with Not Respecting Art or Artists.
Why do People/Retailers want to Help ANTZ Senators make the e-Cigarette Industry Look Bad?
While local, state and of course the federal government are currently missing out on the outlandish "sin taxes" they've wielded on other "tobacco products", this is only the "carrot" that "big tobacco" is waving to get the industry regulated to the point that only THEY are left to reap any profits.
After watching much of the video link posted above, the majority of the advertizing that was being complained about was paid for by "big tobacco" - (for example I currently can't watch 1hr of TV without seeing a "VUE" commercial).
There must be a ginormous "loophole" somewhere that allows the raw materials (some of which is dangerous chemicals) to be sold on Amazon, there are many industrial chemicals that could have valid home use that require certification, licensing or can't be sold 'retail' (or all of the above). I suppose it is a 'grey area' when it comes to what goes into 'e-juice', food and supplements have strict labeling requirements while makeup, lotions and other 'non-ingested' products do not. Other "tobacco products" don't require any ingredient listings. Then there's the "child prof" containers - I'll bet these are required - much like my mouthwash and pharmacy drugs - even though nobody less than 50yo lives at my residence.
My guess is that we will no longer be able to purchase raw nic at any concentration online OR in person anymore.
This Isn't about Artist's Conforming. And 1st Amendment Rights are Not Extended to all forms of Marketing.
If you Can't See that this Type of Image is going to be Used Against Us, and we stand No Chance of Attracting Moderate Senators to our Cause during the FDA Deeming Process with this Type of Label, well, then I guess there is Nothing More to say about this.
Here is a Serious question for you. Have you Watched this Senate Hearing?
E-Cigarette Marketing | Video | C-SPAN.org
i like many have viewed this.
its a dog and pony show. nothing more.
any one who understands these sub committee hearings knows this.
these hearings are not to influence the 80 % of the non-vaping/smoking
population. 99.9 % of the them do not care either way.
its to create division amungst us and have tasty sound bites for
their re-election campaigns.
look honey they have protected our chillin' from the evil of
e-cigs.wasn't that thoughtful of them.
ya,right.
time to grow up and understand how our government works.
the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
its our turn to be the squeaky wheel.
regards
mike
Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
1) They're pretty. A lot of time, trouble and thought went into some of the flashier labels, and I appreciate the effort! Heck, I saved the tin my Aries (twelvevapor) came in!
2) Supervise your children. Don't expect e-liquid manufacturers to do it for you. Pretty bottles can be tempting to kids. Put them away.
3) If the gubmint comes for our e-liquid, they won't give a good damn what's on the bottle - so long as they can tax it 40%
1) They're pretty. A lot of time, trouble and thought went into some of the flashier labels, and I appreciate the effort! Heck, I saved the tin my Aries (twelvevapor) came in!
2) Supervise your children. Don't expect e-liquid manufacturers to do it for you. Pretty bottles can be tempting to kids. Put them away.
3) If the gubmint comes for our e-liquid, they won't give a good damn what's on the bottle - so long as they can tax it 40%
I feel the opposite, I want teddy bears and bunnies with ecigs in their mouth while giving the finger and unicorns farting rainbows dancing across the labels
i like many have viewed this.
its a dog and pony show. nothing more.
any one who understands these sub committee hearings knows this.
these hearings are not to influence the 80 % of the non-vaping/smoking
population. 99.9 % of the them do not care either way.
its to create division amungst us and have tasty sound bites for
their re-election campaigns.
look honey they have protected our chillin' from the evil of
e-cigs.wasn't that thoughtful of them.
ya,right.
time to grow up and understand how our government works.
the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
its our turn to be the squeaky wheel.
regards
mike
Man Mike... I sure hope you are Right.
Because I am involved with Scholastic Groups. And they are Very Concerned with the Issue of Underage e-Cigarette Use.
It would be Nice to think that 99.9% of the Non-Vaping Public Doesn't Care. But that isn't what I am Seeing.
that's because your not looking.
half of the eighty percent of non-vapers/smokers are to busy working
to make ends meet. the other half are on the dole and don't wan't to
rock the boat.
do you realize only 0.002 % of the population is actually
involved from the grass roots level up to elected officials
in the law making process?
regards
mike
Sounds great.. as long as we can leave the entire idea of "puke" out of it. I don't even like the WORD.
Andria
that's because your not looking.
half of the eighty percent of non-vapers/smokers are to busy working
to make ends meet. the other half are on the dole and don't wan't to
rock the boat.
do you realize only 0.002 % of the population is actually
involved from the grass roots level up to elected officials
in the law making process?
regards
mike
Not Looking? What are you Talking about?
You do Realize that there are about 20,000 Recognized PTA Groups in the USA? And has a Total Membership of Over 5,000,000 Members?
Grass Roots?
The problem is that the cartoon art appeals to us as much as children if not more. I feel that even the near copyright infringement designs are aimed at nostalgia more than at children. I wouldn't care if they changed to less child friendly labels but have to admit a design that pops makes me much more likely to try the brand.
Sounds great.. as long as we can leave the entire idea of "puke" out of it. I don't even like the WORD.
Andria
I agree with this. I don't want to consume anything called puke or any other bodily fluid. Unicorn puke is like calling your product monkey ..... It just isn't appealing.
That's just digging for oversimplified truth values, black and white thinking. Very sadly, similar to what was shown in the senate hearing video, from people who should urgently concern themselves in more sophisticated manners with the issues of concern. Every advertisement targets the whole population, including children. Now with the internet, age restrictions on information access do no longer apply either. Everyone always has entirely valid points, but that doesn't make their actions and thought-of scope appropriate to the matter.
Selling e.g. plain liquid and just empty bottles with flavoring agent inside is no issue to the consumer. Neither is using bottles with safety caps. However if impossible restrictions are enforced and prices skyrocket to levels comparable to cigarettes, or sellers have to quit business, that is an issue that the industry will not ever recover from and there will be no consequent discussions with dead companies how the crippled market can be uncrippled to recover. That's just my fear about this all.
no my friend you are also speaking for Canadians as well we have become a nanny state, individual responsibility and accountability has gone down the toilet but the plunger behind it is usually the dollar
sure we will if we can't get it here we can get it from China and North America would be wise to remember this
Just me I guess, but I have already put my fed 'Representatives' on notice that a vote for this FDA Vapin' Inquisition can go to hell when it comes election time again. So, I figure that if enough folks do the same thing 'the fear of god' might convince them that saving their Own A** might be more important to them than Saving the Children. They always have why would they change now.
I think that much of the fallacy of this argument is that regulations are meant to keep consumers safe. They are not. They are meant to limit the freedoms of markets and consumers. They limit competition. Rarely do bans and regulations make anyone safer. They only take freedoms from the consumer and often cost them more money.
Let the juice manufacturers and sellers decide what to put on their bottles. Of couse, the consumer needs to know the nic level, ingredients and possible allergic reactions. Beyond that, government should have no say. Let the consumer make the choice in what they find distasteful and then let them make their choice accordingly.
Let the juice manufacturers and sellers decide what to put on their bottles. Of couse, the consumer needs to know the nic level, ingredients and possible allergic reactions. Beyond that, government should have no say. Let the consumer make the choice in what they find distasteful and then let them make their choice accordingly.
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