Why eliquid is so expensive?

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Bmannator

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Why is eliquid so expensive, sometimes reaching $10 per bottle when cost to produce is often less than $1?

It's necessary to cover the overhead in a brick and mortar storefront... you can lower the cost by ordering online...
I spent several times that $10 cost to get set up with DIY... but,.. it's not about the $$$...most people DIY because they enjoy it.
They see it as another part of vaping as a "hobby"
 

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Better to just get into diy if your into that sort of thing or would like to save money.
Now just remember it might get a little costly buying all sorts of different flavors some might taste like crud to you.
I got disappointed for a little while till I learned about the calculators and found the ejuiceme up calculator. That and learning to let them sit in the drawer and forget them for a little while or ultra sonic them.
Some flavors from different juice flavoring company's might taste better than others.

If you get into diy I would buy the smaller bottles "8ml" to test with. Then I would cut out the flavoring middle man and go buy direct from
the maker. Buying in bulk also helps. I have family covered for at lest 5 years If nothing goes bad lol

I thought I would go the DIY route early on, but have resisted... exactly because of the issues you raise. I've decided (for now) that I don't want to invest the time it would likely take to get the process down, find flavor combos I like, etc. But I think it's very cool that the option of DIY is available.

In the meantime, I split my liquid buys about 50/50 between MBV at $7.50/30ml, and a local shop at about $13/30ml. It averages out to about 34 cents/ml, or less than a dollar a day for me. I'm pretty happy with that.
 
What I have simply gathered is that vaping is not to save money but just an alternate hobby/addiction to stay away from smoking analogue's.
And ofcourse businesses today want to become millionaires/rich over night.

do you Vape? if so how in the world don't you save money by vaping? i spend at max $40 a month and most of the time i don't have spend anything i just buy stuff for my diy juices so i can experiment even so i was buying $6 packs of smokes every day i spend what a spent in a week on my vaping habit so you sir are doing something wrong if your spending more on vaping than on cigs. although i do see your from india so i have no idea what prices are there for cigs prolly really cheap and bad quality (just guessing from traveling and word of mouth) so in this case i could see spending more on vape supplies but not much more
 

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The fuel in your car would be anywhere from 50% to 95% cheaper without tax and costs added :) It's basic business man, it's not just the cost of the ingredients but all the other aspects that everyone has mentioned in this thread.

Don't think i saw Storage in those lists though, The amount an average warehouse can charge for storing a pallet for about a month is INSANE. Even more expensive to have stock sitting around for retail where it's costing money to keep it there and not have it flying off the shelves
 

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Expect to pay MORE!! Some states, such as Washington, are attempting to pass bills to tax ecig products as much as 95%. This includes the DIY liquids. cig-a-likes, mechanicals, and even the batteries that power them. Get involved and put the kibosh on this money-grabbing scheme!

Yes, the deadline for comments on this tax tomorrow! It's not too late to contact your politician...

http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/

They actually have the nerve to say this tax is "investing in education".... unbelievable!!!
 
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Interesting land-grab going on. For good or bad, there appears to be a strong drive to make e-liquid a product regulated as a medicine in both Europe and the USA, and the cynical side of me thinks it'll happen within the next couple of years. Regulation pushes up barriers to entry into the market (complying with requlatory bodies can get very expensive) and thus favours established players - particularly big pharma and big tobacco who are getting into the vaping business in a big way. Small independent e-liquid manufacturers should ideally be building up a war chest to fund the significant costs implied by regulatory compliance.
 
It's not just nicotine you are buying, it's the bottle, the PG/VG, the flavorings, the person mixing it for you, etc. Everyone has to make a living, they are also selling you their time.

I cut out the middle man and buy concentrated nic and cut it with

So you make your own? Isnt it easier to buy them ready?

actually its very simple started doing it last week. i made 5 bottles of liquid in about 20 minutes. the hardest part about it is getting the math down which a lot of sites have calculators that will tell you much pg vb nic and concentrate to add. it's also really cheap to do. i spent 40 bucks for everything i need to make juices plus 30 bottles and judging from how much i used from the 5 bottles i made i'll have enough supplies to make at least 50 10ml bottles.. i got my kit from vapeplay they send you everything you need in the kit i bought some extra concentrates and what not but the kit itself is like 25 bucks and you get one concentrate in the kit and each concentrate is about 3 bucks
 

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I don't buy

1. Pizza
2. *Some* coffee-shop coffee
3. Expensive e-liquid.

I do buy

1. Petrol (Gasoline)
2. Drugs
3. Soda

The question is...what is the difference?

Supply and demand, need to buy vs. "like" to buy.

The capitalist dream is to manufacture something for a little as possible, sell for as much as possible.
We all have choices....

(except maybe in the second list, we don't... ??)

Expensive e-liquid is OK with me, especially if it is good e-liquid. (not that I buy much/any) Do I approve of small outfits selling high quality stuff? Sure...
Do I approve of the shysters selling the same imported e-liquid for twice as much as other companies? No... it's a rip-off. People fall for it (more often newbies) because they don't know better.
 
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do you Vape? if so how in the world don't you save money by vaping? i spend at max $40 a month and most of the time i don't have spend anything i just buy stuff for my diy juices so i can experiment even so i was buying $6 packs of smokes every day i spend what a spent in a week on my vaping habit so you sir are doing something wrong if your spending more on vaping than on cigs. although i do see your from india so i have no idea what prices are there for cigs prolly really cheap and bad quality (just guessing from traveling and word of mouth) so in this case i could see spending more on vape supplies but not much more

lol, you got the wrong info. We have the same brands you buy with the same taste but cheaper. For eg. Marlboro is like 2.5$ a pack. And it tastes the same because in my last company we always had people going onsite in UK and US. And whosoever was visiting had to take 2 cartons of Marlboro for the reception ladies (dont know what she did with them though).

Oh and I have been trying to control my smoking, and did reduce it to only 10 analogues a day ($37.5 a month cost) till I started vaping about a week ago. Have already spent more than 400$ on my first Random Cig alike kit + Vamo V5 + VTR + ego + juices + a lot of additional accessories.
 

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Ingredients
Skills/Expertise
Packaging
Shipping
Labor
Overhead
Insurance
Advertising
Profit

When you consider these factors, prices don't strike me as being overly high. And indeed, when compared to smoking, truly quite a bargain. Just my $.02.

Enjoy!

Let's expand on these a little;

-Ingredients
Each juice may use ingredients from a number of different vendors which ultimately costs more for shipping. Sometimes ingredients are made in house, consuming power, requiring specialized equipment, and requiring time.
-Skills/Expertise
This takes lots of trial and error to gain, the value here is different for every mixer, but let's assume its the same as their time and ex pence on equipment, supplies, and ingredients used to develop good recipes.
-Packaging
The bottles, the stickers, the inks to print them, the printer and computer to design them, the electricity to run them, the space to house them. The shipping of said bottles, the boxes in which to pack them, all cost money. If purchased in bulk storage space is another cost to add in.
-Shipping
This is on the consumer, and is what it is.
-Labor
This is the time the person spends mixing, bottling, packing, taking orders, marketing, and ultimately shipping your order. This also is going to include time spent developing new recipes and flavors, dealing with customer satisfaction issues, ordering supplies, keeping the work area clean, what have you.
-Overhead
Much of overhead is the expansions I'm covering here, but it can include the cost of an employee or several, the facility, loan interest, work station equipment, safety gear, etc.
-Insurance
You would be silly not to invest in this component of doing business.
-Advertising
You have to get the word out to consumers, paid advertisements work fine and do work while your making product, or you can attack social media which requires an internet connection and time.
-Sales Tools
While not mentioned in the above post, taking credit cards is not free, there is a cost to the vendor to use them. Web hosting for a web page isn't free either.
-Profit
This is the mixers income, not how much he or she gets to put into savings at the end of the day. If you figure a fair living wage is $20 an hour for a single person and they spend 1 hour packing and shipping, 1 hour with orders and customer service, 1 hour on ordering supplies and doing other non juice making tasks they are left with 5 hours to make juice at maybe a bottle every 4 minutes, thats 75 bottles a day. Or $2.13 per bottle income, on which must be paid state and federal taxes.

Think it'll get you rich mixing up some juice at home, try doing it for a living, quit your job and mix away.

Maurice
 

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lol, you got the wrong info. We have the same brands you buy with the same taste but cheaper. For eg. Marlboro is like 2.5$ a pack. And it tastes the same because in my last company we always had people going onsite in UK and US. And whosoever was visiting had to take 2 cartons of Marlboro for the reception ladies (dont know what she did with them though).

Oh and I have been trying to control my smoking, and did reduce it to only 10 analogues a day ($37.5 a month cost) till I started vaping about a week ago. Have already spent more than 400$ on my first Random Cig alike kit + Vamo V5 + VTR + ego + juices + a lot of additional accessories.

Once you get all your gear purchased (and seldom has to be replaced) the only cost you have to incur is for your juice and for coils. Even at $2 per coil, lets say $8 a month for those, and $10 for juice, you're still at less than or close to $20 per month. Anything in addition to that is called a hobby, and not essential.
 
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