Why get an expensive non-VV or VW device

[gtrthang]

I'm somewhat new to this, but after getting a VTube, i get the VV thing and I understand wanting a VW device that automatically adjusts the wattage. I see lots of 5V or similar non-variable devices that are more expensive than my VTube. What is the purpose of these devices? The cheaper ego/kgos (and smaller) ones I get because they are cheaper and sometimes just a starter unit. But if you are spending the money, wouldn't you want VV at least?

What am I missing?

 

[Miira]

They don't use VV and the more parts something has, the more likely it is to break. Or, more likely, they didn't know any better. There's a lot of information out there and it can be hard to sort through, so you end up not getting the best thing.

 

[wokkerk]

Another reason is that some people use the standard type kits or get a battery that runs a constant 3.7v because you can adjust the wattage that it is vaping at based on the Ohms that the atty or carto are...so depending on what atty you use that can adjust the wattage that you are vaping at. This might seem like a more complicated way to do it but if you know about how many watts you like then there is no need for a device where you vary the voltage and have more things to mess with. Just my

 

[teamscon]

I like vv so I can adjust it lool. I can choose throat hit ... Or try out new tasts with different juices. And my battery life owns with my vtube.

 

[wokkerk]

Don't get me wrong...I love VV mods and use them...

 

[six]

There's a lot to be said for both regulated 5.0v PVs and mechanical PVs. Even though I have a couple of the nicest VV devices on the market, I often use one of my mechanical mods and one of my 5.0v PVs gets used pretty much daily.

One of the benefits to a mechanical tube mod is cleaning. Take the battery out and wash it in warm water. In fact, depending on build material, there are other PVs besides tubes that can be washed (REO Minis and Grands, for instance). Easy cleaning is a big plus.

Furthermore, some of us have done our work matching attys and cartos to different juices at voltages we can create in unregulated mods... and perhaps have found good combinations for 5.0v regulated. In my case, both. I have stuff that works at 7.4v, 6.0v, 5.0v, 4.8v, 3.7v, and 3.2v. -- And, I must say that the first few months using VV, I found myself settingthe VV device to voltages i could create before I had VV. These days, I use my VV PVs a little more to their potential and tend to adjust my voltage a few times a day.

 

[wokkerk]

Six you explained it way better than I did....at least that's what I was trying to get at.

 

[scalewiz]

To me, the more expensive devices of either type usually represent a much higher quality, and much improved support. A Silver Bullet or similar may cost a hundred bucks and only sport one battery, but the threads are beautifully machined, it's tough enough to drive over with a truck, the button always works.....and if it breaks it is not only repairable but the maker almost always gives much better support. Kinda the same reason people go for the Provari. It's tough, good looking, and has excellent support.

As for VV or not VV, as said above you can either adjust the device, or you can adjust the power to it. VV does give you tighter control, and it eliminates the hassle of trying to find, maintain and support the device so much. Makes the vaping experience easier and you get the ability to play at will.

 

[mostapha]

There's also the fact that mechanical mods have less conservative safeties: they pretty much rely on the battery to keep itself from going into a failure state. Or, if using unprotected batteries, just don't.

A lot of the VV and VW devices have pretty low current limits. As a result, they won't get the most out of dual coil attys/cartos. An unregulated mod at the right voltage won't have those problems at the cost of losing some versatility.

Plus, IMHO, the VV world hasn't seen as much in terms of aesthetic development. again, IMHO, there is no VV mod as "pretty" as the empire, provape-1, or BB. If you can get the wattage you want out of something like that, why not just buy the attys/cartos that work in bulk and wait for VV mod to look as good.

With the cartos and attys I'm using (all single coil) I end up running just above 3.7 anyway. So, anecdotally, I could have gone with a prettier mod that gets better battery life and just changed the batt when the voltage dropped off. I'm not the least bit sorry I bought my twist because I'm not nearly done experimenting. But how I'm vaping now, the advantages over a good, simpler mod seem fairly small. But I also had to buy one to figure that out. And it may change as I experiment more.

 

[Flyer]

Six explained how one can find peace, satisfaction and simplicity with a fixed voltage PV. I think for many, this is good enough and eliminates a lot of frustration and fiddling. For others, the poor quality control of our supplier keeps us chasing what we really want. Carto, clearo manufacturers have such inconsistency, it is hard for many of us to maintain that quality of vape we want. So, variable voltage lets us compensate to some degree for the lousy quality control of our suppliers. That said, I will somehow find that quality space for fixed voltage when i can afford a Zen or GG PV!

 

[thinkingaboutit]

No matter what...it's what works for you. I love my vtube, but today at work I left it in the bag and used the kgo. It kept me happy, and that's what matters. When I broke out my vtube, I only used it at 3.9v. It's a light voltage day for me today, and that's ok because it was another day away from cigs.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved from General E-Smoking Discussion to Variable Voltage APV Discussion

 

[tj99959]

I have both VV and VW, but the funny part is that they are all set to vape exactly like my 3.7v mechanical mods . Go figure

 

[swedishfish]

They don't use VV and the more parts something has, the more likely it is to break. Or, more likely, they didn't know any better. There's a lot of information out there and it can be hard to sort through, so you end up not getting the best thing.

Ok, so I use a 5V mod (know I like 5 volts, know my e-liquid tastes great at 5 volts, know what carto/atty to buy) because I don't know any better?

Alrighty then.

I know (or hope) you didn't mean this the way it sounds. Many of us that have been vaping for a long time and are no longer experimenting with equipment or what e-liquid tastes best at what voltage just flat out know what we like.

I've had vv and never really used it. I know I sometimes like to vape at 3.7 and sometimes at 5 volts. I own more than one pv. Works for me.

 

[durgidog]

I love my Buzz Pro and SS Vtube when I'm home, but for out and about it's a smaller, unregulated purely mechanical mod (sometimes with a kick). 1.7 single coil cartos are great at 3.7V. Mechanical mods last forever! and some of them hit quite hard. I also appreciate the simplicity and the fact that they are all hand made in America. Electrical circuits and boards die but my icon will be here forever!

 

[Hottody]

You know, in general I do like playing with my VV devices, it's just nice to adjust the flavor to a setting that tastes / preforms best. That being said, many like the simplicity of a standard 3.7 volt device as it simply meets ones needs. Sometimes, I go with my Joytech 18650 and rock a LR carto and I love it. Other times I'll enjoy playing with my Provape Provari. I suppose it depends on my mood.

 

[Andyhrn]

I've get my 2 batteries VV box rebuild to a simple one battery mode and couldn't be happy (removed all "guts" including display) . No more overheating or unexpected shut downs and instant batteries drains. Performs exactly like the 2 batteries mode and lasts for 4-5 hours(LR carto). And I have to replace/recharge the only one battery instead of two now.

 

[kingcobra]

I've thought of getting a kicked Shockwave, maybe the best of both worlds there, but I'd never consider a fixed voltage vaping experience. Now some may find vaping pleasure with them but it's more by coincidence, where you just find something that you love to vape at 3.7 or whatever. As we know though atties and cartos do differ in resistance, and even change during their lifetime. Sure, you can mess around and find something that works to your preference, but why be pigeon holed to a certain type of atty or carto when you don't have to.

 

[DaveP]

If you know what you like and just want a well built mod, fixed voltage is good. I think that's good enough reason for people to choose a mod with fixed voltage. As was said, you can swap out the atomizer and change the wattage in 1/2 ohm increments. There's something to be said for simple reliability.

 

[SissySpike]

One advantage of VV over fixed is oHms can be off just a little in your carts or attys so you can adjust that to what you like. I have a legacy but Its kicked I very seldom use it in 3.7. As for looks Id have to argue that There are some wood VV boxes out there that are works of art! Who can argue ShanBs stuff aren't way cool! Im Vaping my penny vain detailed brass caps saber touch as we speak there's never been a more elegant pipe to compare as far as I'm concerned
But it really just comes down to precedence. I can agree Mechanical Mods are more durable.