Why is my DUD my best performing Gen?

[dwcraig1]

Accidents happen I guess, this was the device that I was working with when I gave up on SS wicks. It sat there for a week and the juice got all dark and I wanted to put it away so I decided to flush it out with water using a syringe. Then I proceeded to dry burn the wick before I stored it. Hey now it's looking pretty good after I adjust the coils. Maybe I'll try vaping it. Wow this works just like "they" say it does.
This is pretty much the story of how I finally "got it", all the SS wicks/coils have been cake since.

I know that there is not any real info here as to how to , that info is here all over on ECF.
But this DUD is my best performing Gen.

There is one thing different about this DUD but I have no idea if it does anything other than re-size my air hole that I made too big. I cut a small piece of an air tube from a CE2 cartomizer and forced it into the air hole, it sticks out on the inside about half what it does on the outside and it is tight.

 

[tc1]

Ironically ... I get better performance out of my mini nova than I do my dud.

Quicker and warmer draws from the mini plus my dud seems more sensitive to watts.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

Ironically ... I get better performance out of my mini nova than I do my dud.

Quicker and warmer draws from the mini plus my dud seems more sensitive to watts.

You just need to practice. The DUD is a VERY well performing genesis when setup properly. Trust me on this, a properly set up genesis blows a Vivi Nova out of the water so fast it's not even funny.

BTW, that's VERY interesting that it works very well, basically you have the tube sticking inside the top cap about a hairs length away from the coil? Hmmm. Very interesting. Makes me want to buy another DUD just to experiment with this idea.

 

[j4mmin42]

Ironically ... I get better performance out of my mini nova than I do my dud.

Quicker and warmer draws from the mini plus my dud seems more sensitive to watts.

That's not hard for me to believe, as some people really like the "warmth" and concentration of vapor that comes with a bottom-air-feed design. I can't stand Nova's, but I know what you mean- I do miss carto hits every once in a while.

Gennies take some getting used to, it's a completely different animal.


To the OP: That's an interesting mod job. Did you always like the DUD over your other Genesis systems, or only after you "redirected" the airflow with that little CE2 straw? That's definitely along the lines of some ideas I've been toying around with. I bet the vape is nice and warm for a Gennie.

 

[tc1]

Do you all find that on certain juices you have to lower the wattage more with the gen than on other devices?

My mini and dud are at the same resistance and I prefer my new Ecto-1 blend at 8 watts which works fine on the mini. With my dud however I have to go down to 7 watts or else I get burnt tastes.

My mesh seems to wick fine but perhaps its just not wicking fast enough.

 

[Thrasher]

try some 500 mesh, everyone is saying it wicks like a straw, got some on the way now so i can become a dual coil geni chain vapor lol

 

[EDO]

With Genesis styles it is all about the set up....when set up correctly you get way better flavor than the vivi nova, 2x the vapor and far smoother throat hit. Also since the throat hit is so smooth you can jack up the wattage without out burning your throat...so if you like very warm vapor you can experience that as well with a genesis. I vape normally around 6-7 watts...which most people would think is too low....but that is because they don't have a good set up. At 6 watts my setups produce 2x the vapor than with a Vivi Nova. If I wanted to be crazy, I can easily go to 11 or 12watts and not have any burnt juice taste, produce ridiculous vapor, with great throat hit...however I would get loopy with the nicotine rush.

Regarding the OP....maybe you just set up you DUD better than your other devices. Try to replicate your result by doing a new build on the DUD. If you consistently get better results with you DUD compared to your other attys....you might be on to something.

 

[tc1]

Can't imagine what I'm doing wrong.

I have no shorts or hot spots ... the mesh is wicking (I can visually see the wick soaked).

But in order to get a non-burnt hit I have to lower my wattage. I do get denser vapor but I'm iffy on the flavor. While I do detect more complex notes of part of my blend, it also tends to mute one of the key flavors on exhale. If I use this dud at 8 watts its nasty as heck.

After initially posting I decides to tweak it once again as I noticed my top coil was glowing. Removed one wrap and no more glowing however NOW I have to set to 6 watts to get a decent flavor. Oi

 

[EDO]

Can you easily slide out you wick without disturbing the coils?....if not your build isn't perfect. Most people...including me a couple of weeks ago...wrap their coils to tight....with that you get muted flavors....you have to vape at a higher wattage to get the vapor, meanwhile the taste and heat of the vape is adequate but not optimal.

It seems like your current problem is that you are boiling the juice....do some juice burns and if you can see the liquid bubbling on the wick...that is your problem....you are boiling the juice...which will cause very harsh throat hits and crappy flavor.

Anyway check out this video..it really helped me out....skip to 5 minutes.LavaGen - YouTube

This is a great video on how to adjust the coils...at the bottom of the page:

Z-Atty-Pro - Rebuildable Tank System

 

[dwcraig1]

That's not hard for me to believe, as some people really like the "warmth" and concentration of vapor that comes with a bottom-air-feed design. I can't stand Nova's, but I know what you mean- I do miss carto hits every once in a while.

Gennies take some getting used to, it's a completely different animal.


To the OP: That's an interesting mod job. Did you always like the DUD over your other Genesis systems, or only after you "redirected" the airflow with that little CE2 straw? That's definitely along the lines of some ideas I've been toying around with. I bet the vape is nice and warm for a Gennie.

This was basically an accident that just happened and it showed me just how well a genny could work and I just kept at it build other properly working ones(AGA-Ts), this was only a week ago. Now it only takes a few minutes to get one up and running.
Oh and the air tube thing , I don't know what to say about that because I have had it that way for quite some time.

 

[dwcraig1]

Can you easily slide out you wick without disturbing the coils?....if not your build isn't perfect. Most people...including me a couple of weeks ago...wrap their coils to tight....with that you get muted flavors....you have to vape at a higher wattage to get the vapor, meanwhile the taste and heat of the vape is adequate but not optimal.

It seems like your current problem is that you are boiling the juice....do some juice burns and if you can see the liquid bubbling on the wick...that is your problem....you are boiling the juice...which will cause very harsh throat hits and crappy flavor.

Anyway check out this video..it really helped me out....skip to 5 minutes.LavaGen - YouTube

This is a great video on how to adjust the coils...at the bottom of the page:

Z-Atty-Pro - Rebuildable Tank System

Yes, I can slide them out and have had to do so on each build to oxidize a little more during initial setup and even at a later time
Oops, the question was not to me.

 

[tc1]

Yes, I can slide my wick well but its not too loose to the point where the wick slides by itself.

Honestly ... my build looks perfect. I just built a new 2 ohm coil and same thing.

Anything over 6 watts and my coils seem to start glowing and burning the juice ... regardless how much I fiddle with the coils.

I am using 32 gauge wire but lots of people use it so I doubt that's the issue.

 

[dwcraig1]

Do you all find that on certain juices you have to lower the wattage more with the gen than on other devices?

My mini and dud are at the same resistance and I prefer my new Ecto-1 blend at 8 watts which works fine on the mini. With my dud however I have to go down to 7 watts or else I get burnt tastes.

My mesh seems to wick fine but perhaps its just not wicking fast enough.

Are you vaping your Gen with the wick near horizontal position? In the earlier days of using mine I was trying to keep it somewhat vertical and that just doesn't cut it.

 

[Rule62]

Are you vaping your Gen with the wick near horizontal position? In the earlier days of using mine I was trying to keep it somewhat vertical and that just doesn't cut it.

I've been tilting ever since using CE2 type clearos for 1 1/2 years. It's become so much of a habit that not tilting feels weird to me. I generally stand my tube mods on end when I set them down, so it's just a natural movement to grab it and swing it up near horizontal to vape.

 

[tc1]

Yeah, I tilt so that the juice is flowing towards the wick hole.

 

[EDO]

tc1...did you watch the first video? That is the best way I have seen to make the perfect coil. The second video is the best I have seen for adjusting coils. Watch them before you make another coil. 32 awg is actually the most commonly used wire so that is not an issue.

 

[EDO]

Yeah, I tilt so that the juice is flowing towards the wick hole.

dwCraig1 meant tilting the wick towards the center post...which you might have to do on your DUD....On mine I bored out the wick hole so that I don't have to tilt the wick at all towards the center post. I totally forgot about this....a lot of problems were resolved when I bored out the wick hole to 7/64 inch. You can't do a perfect build on a DUD otherwise....sorry I should have mentioned this before.

 

[dwcraig1]

dwCraig1 meant tilting the wick towards the center post...which you might have to do on your DUD....On mine I bored out the wick hole so that I don't have to tilt the wick at all towards the center post. I totally forgot about this....a lot of problems were resolved when I bored out the wick hole to 7/64 inch. You can't do a perfect build on a DUD otherwise....sorry I should have mentioned this before.

Actually I did mean tilting the device, but on mine I have the hole so big that the wick almost touches the center post though

 

[j4mmin42]

Are you vaping your Gen with the wick near horizontal position? In the earlier days of using mine I was trying to keep it somewhat vertical and that just doesn't cut it.

I've been tilting ever since using CE2 type clearos for 1 1/2 years. It's become so much of a habit that not tilting feels weird to me. I generally stand my tube mods on end when I set them down, so it's just a natural movement to grab it and swing it up near horizontal to vape.

Yeah, I tilt so that the juice is flowing towards the wick hole.

That's interesting...in the early days, I used to tilt all the time, for fear of getting dry hits...but these days, I have more of a problem with over-wicking. My hybrids and genesis atties never see more than a 45-degree tilt.

dwCraig1 meant tilting the wick towards the center post...which you might have to do on your DUD....On mine I bored out the wick hole so that I don't have to tilt the wick at all towards the center post. I totally forgot about this....a lot of problems were resolved when I bored out the wick hole to 7/64 inch. You can't do a perfect build on a DUD otherwise....sorry I should have mentioned this before.

Oh, really...






Proof that good builds can have long leads. It all depends on skill, finesse and a bit of luck.

 

[Rule62]

dwCraig1 meant tilting the wick towards the center post...which you might have to do on your DUD....On mine I bored out the wick hole so that I don't have to tilt the wick at all towards the center post. I totally forgot about this....a lot of problems were resolved when I bored out the wick hole to 7/64 inch. You can't do a perfect build on a DUD otherwise....sorry I should have mentioned this before.

Gotta disagree there. I have 5 DUDs going currently with perfect builds. All with stock wick holes.